[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[HighRyzer83]

...For those argueing against getting Melo because of the extension,please come up with an alternative plan if we lose out on getting him.

Alternative plan for what? there is no risk here. Melo stated he is going to Free Agency, and more specifically where he is going. Its like if a chick tells you she wants you and is leaving her husband at the end of the year when the divorce is finalized. But you're the one running to her house negotiating with her husband because you're feeling froggy. Sit back and relax douche

[nykinoz]

Let me give you a little info on MIN's side here.

1. First, to clear up some misconceptions, MIN can not trade it's own pick, since it's owned by LAC, and even if it wasn't, it'd violate the Stepian Rule. Any pick they include must either be UTA (top 16 protected) or MEM (top 14). Very doubtful they'd trade their own first in 2014.

2. The original AR deal was probably something like Telfair + UTA 1st for AR, or Ridnour for AR .. perhaps with some small player included with the cash to buy him out. Adding Brewer and that huge chunk of cap space is a big deal.

3. Four weeks ago, adding Corey Brewer might not have been a big deal, since MIN didn't pick up his option. However, he's been playing much better, and is their starting SG. It's becoming more likely MIN may try to move Webster and keep Brewer, who they still have rights on.

4. Paying MIN $3 mil to use their $11.7 mil cap space to take Curry is not fair value. It may pay for the cash to buy him out, but $11.7 mil in cap space is a valuable trade asset, and giving it up here - for nothing - is a big lost opportunity cost .. especially when NYK is getting the benefit for saving DEN close to $20 million dollars.

Finally, a good deal can be worked out for all three teams, because so many pieces are more valuable elsewhere. However, no team is without risks here. DEN may lose Melo for nothing. MIN could be replaced if they ask too much, by two other teams that have the finances (SAC, CLE). And for NYK, it guarantees they get Melo locked in for several years. Nobody knows 100% what might happen this summer, even Melo. Moreover, he'd help with this year's play-offs and generate excitement and more revenue.


Right now, if NYK offered this deal to MIN, threatening to go to SAC or CLE if they didn't agree, I'd hand them their telephone numbers. MIN is saddling way too much of the price to get NYK Melo that AR alone would cover it, and I'd walk away. However, since Melo can be a historic part of NYK's future, I don't think it would be hard for the Knicks to throw a little more incentive MIN's way.

Nice post man.

[god shammgod]

Let me give you a little info on MIN's side here.

1. First, to clear up some misconceptions, MIN can not trade it's own pick, since it's owned by LAC, and even if it wasn't, it'd violate the Stepian Rule. Any pick they include must either be UTA (top 16 protected) or MEM (top 14). Very doubtful they'd trade their own first in 2014.

2. The original AR deal was probably something like Telfair + UTA 1st for AR, or Ridnour for AR .. perhaps with some small player included with the cash to buy him out. Adding Brewer and that huge chunk of cap space is a big deal.

3. Four weeks ago, adding Corey Brewer might not have been a big deal, since MIN didn't pick up his option. However, he's been playing much better, and is their starting SG. It's becoming more likely MIN may try to move Webster and keep Brewer, who they still have rights on.

4. Paying MIN $3 mil to use their $11.7 mil cap space to take Curry is not fair value. It may pay for the cash to buy him out, but $11.7 mil in cap space is a valuable trade asset, and giving it up here - for nothing - is a big lost opportunity cost .. especially when NYK is getting the benefit for saving DEN close to $20 million dollars.

Finally, a good deal can be worked out for all three teams, because so many pieces are more valuable elsewhere. However, no team is without risks here. DEN may lose Melo for nothing. MIN could be replaced if they ask too much, by two other teams that have the finances (SAC, CLE). And for NYK, it guarantees they get Melo locked in for several years. Nobody knows 100% what might happen this summer, even Melo. Moreover, he'd help with this year's play-offs and generate excitement and more revenue.


Right now, if NYK offered this deal to MIN, threatening to go to SAC or CLE if they didn't agree, I'd hand them their telephone numbers. MIN is saddling way too much of the price to get NYK Melo that AR alone would cover it, and I'd walk away. However, since Melo can be a historic part of NYK's future, I don't think it would be hard for the Knicks to throw a little more incentive MIN's way.

i understand your point but i'm not sure what we could give you. unless you like walker or rautins ? or second round picks ?

[towelie]

If Minny helps us get Carmelo, that'd be the THIRD time they've facilitated forming a big 3. First KG to Boston. Then taking on Beasley to clear up space for Miami's big 3 (although granted, that space was really to clear up room for Mike Miller). And now helping the Knicks acquire Melo.

Kahn, the ultimate middle man.

[Piecake]

i understand your point but i'm not sure what we could give you. unless you like walker or rautins ? or second round picks ?

Those arent incentives

[NYsportsfan6230]

I feel badly for the nuggests fans. I can imagine this misery

Kinda like 10 years of pathetic Knicks' Basketball?? Who felt bad for us during those years

[GONYK]

What more could Minny want?

[knicks742]

What more could Minny want?

I don't think it's about Minny wanting more but instead of giving less. I think taking on Eddy to get AR would be close to a fair deal. I would be shocked if a pick and Brewer were involved.

[ibraheim718]

Melo for that deal would be a steal, that extension doesnt matter. Hed still be more valuable that anything the Knicks can give up

Thats not the point. You're playing checkers with chess pieces. Why jump and help them out when a checkmate is eminent if we just stay patient and be confident

It's so easy to say this sitting where you're sitting isn't it?

I find it annoying that you come on here and berate everyone for a personnel move they have nothing to do with. Go find Mr.Dolan and tell him how you feel instead of trying to reprimand posters for their excitement on getting a player that 99% of the NBA's Exec's and Owners would jump at the chance at acquiring. Instead you come on here with your little violin and a box of kleenex and pretend you have all the answers. Only a sports fan would moan and wine about spending money that isn't even theirs.

I'll tell you what when the trade happens (because it's going to happen) you and the handful of Knicks fans that are against this can jump on a sinking boat and end your self imposed misery.

[vinnie_vegas69]

...For those argueing against getting Melo because of the extension,please come up with an alternative plan if we lose out on getting him.

Alternative plan for what? there is no risk here. Melo stated he is going to Free Agency, and more specifically where he is going.

Yeah, but if we want to sign him as a free agent, that means waiving Chandler, Azubuike, Shawne Williams, Bill Walker and trading Turiaf and our first round pick just to clear the space.

We might as well give up Chandler, Curry, Randolph and our first and get him in here by the deadline so we might make a run in the playoffs this year.

[Ray Williams]

...For those argueing against getting Melo because of the extension,please come up with an alternative plan if we lose out on getting him.

Alternative plan for what? there is no risk here. Melo stated he is going to Free Agency, and more specifically where he is going. Its like if a chick tells you she wants you and is leaving her husband at the end of the year when the divorce is finalized. But you're the one running to her house negotiating with her husband because you're feeling froggy. Sit back and relax douche

Douche? I suggest you sit back and watch your Fkn mouth.

[shrink]

What more could Minny want?

I don't think it's about Minny wanting more but instead of giving less. I think taking on Eddy to get AR would be close to a fair deal. I would be shocked if a pick and Brewer were involved.

That could very well be true. However, MIN throwing that UTA 1st to DEN is helpful too, because that pick might not be so great a prospect, but its valuable to DEN's front office because it distracts casual fans from the real value - the $20 mil in savings.

My guess is that your front office does it's due diligence, and asks MIN, SAC, and CLE what's the least they'd have to give to get someone to give the giant financial help that makes this deal run. I'd further guess that it ends up being MIN, since Kahn seems to value these draft bust reclamations more than other GM's, so it'd take less to add to Randolph for him. However, I really doubt that he'd trade the cap space, Brewer and the 1st just to get Randolph .. it'll probably take two pieces with upside from your bench.

[duetta]

Go find Mr.Dolan and tell him how you feel instead of trying to reprimand posters for their excitement on getting a player that 99% of the NBA's Exec's and Owners would jump at the chance at acquiring.

I have - and I've said exactly what HighRizer said. And in response I got a call from MSG's Director of Retention (I kid you not), likely in response to my suggestion that many Knicks fans might take a long look at the team in Brooklyn if Mr. Dolan insists on subjecting Knicks fans to his good friend Isiah one more time.

Bottom line, everything that has gone wrong this franchise since Ewing's career began to wind down begins and ends with Dolan's impatience and refusal to rebuild the right way.

[smw6230]

SIAP, from the updated article - http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6094827

There have been no talks between New Jersey and Denver since Prokhorov pulled out of the deal, but the Nets are monitoring the Nuggets' discussions with other teams. The possibility of New Jersey reigniting talks with the Nuggets remains until the Nets trade away Troy Murphy, whose expiring contract is critical to any deal between the two clubs.

If NJ can't get Melo you can be damn sure that they will attempt to be a fly in NY's ointment.

[HighRyzer83]

Melo for that deal would be a steal, that extension doesnt matter. Hed still be more valuable that anything the Knicks can give up

Thats not the point. You're playing checkers with chess pieces. Why jump and help them out when a checkmate is eminent if we just stay patient and be confident

It's so easy to say this sitting where you're sitting isn't it?

I find it annoying that you come on here and berate everyone for a personnel move they have nothing to do with. Go find Mr.Dolan and tell him how you feel instead of trying to reprimand posters for their excitement on getting a player that 99% of the NBA's Exec's and Owners would jump at the chance at acquiring. Instead you come on here with your little violin and a box of kleenex and pretend you have all the answers. Only a sports fan would moan and wine about spending money that isn't even theirs.

I'll tell you what when the trade happens (because it's going to happen) you and the handful of Knicks fans that are against this can jump on a sinking boat and end your self imposed misery.

Im not reprimanding or berating read closely my brother. Im offering a sports related opinion that differs from yours. Cap implications is a valid point kido. Anyway where the hell else should we talk about this stuff? How about your living room while we watch the superbowl

[Context]

SIAP, from the updated article - http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6094827

There have been no talks between New Jersey and Denver since Prokhorov pulled out of the deal, but the Nets are monitoring the Nuggets' discussions with other teams. The possibility of New Jersey reigniting talks with the Nuggets remains until the Nets trade away Troy Murphy, whose expiring contract is critical to any deal between the two clubs.

If NJ can't get Melo you can be damn sure that they will attempt to be a fly in NY's ointment.

What's NJ going to do-make Melo an offer he can't refuse? This ain't the godfather

Somebody please post the video of Melo's reaction when he thought he was traded to NJ... After Prov pulled out there isn't a chance he would trade for Melo without a signed extension. Furthermore, I say he was as he put it "very clear" on ending the pursuit...

[GONYK]

SIAP, from the updated article - http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6094827

There have been no talks between New Jersey and Denver since Prokhorov pulled out of the deal, but the Nets are monitoring the Nuggets' discussions with other teams. The possibility of New Jersey reigniting talks with the Nuggets remains until the Nets trade away Troy Murphy, whose expiring contract is critical to any deal between the two clubs.

If NJ can't get Melo you can be damn sure that they will attempt to be a fly in NY's ointment.

What could they possibly do?

[NYsportsfan6230]

SIAP, from the updated article - http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6094827

There have been no talks between New Jersey and Denver since Prokhorov pulled out of the deal, but the Nets are monitoring the Nuggets' discussions with other teams. The possibility of New Jersey reigniting talks with the Nuggets remains until the Nets trade away Troy Murphy, whose expiring contract is critical to any deal between the two clubs.

If NJ can't get Melo you can be damn sure that they will attempt to be a fly in NY's ointment.

There is nothing that NJ can do to affect our trade situation right now. They aren't going to make a trade to get Carmelo, and Denver is still in a spot where Melo needs to be moved.

[GotItNow]

Who thinks Douglas could net a late 1st pick from a contender in desperate need of a PG/SG? I think we should talk to the Bulls and see if he's someone they'd be interested in.

No can do. Clock is ticking on salary and he's not that good.

[Knicksfan20]

How great would it be if NJ traded for Carmelo as a rental(to avoid us trading for him), then doesn't resign and comes to NY instead. Perfect ending.