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ibraheim718 wrote:So we can find ourselves a Melo with a non-lottery pick? If we sign him in the off season it maxes out our cap space anyway so I am assuming you want to just pass on Melo?
St Knick wrote:are some of you really complaining about trading for Melo with a potential Chandler, Curry, Randolph deal?
What are you smoking?
If your argument is we should him in summer, well, Curry and Chandler would both not be resigned, so essentially, we're giving up Anthony Randolph to get Carmelo early. Benefits include:
1) Having Melo for the remainder of the 2011 season. This counts for something.
2) Assuming there is some form of MLE, well, we will retain the right to sign another player in the summer.
If your argument is "he doesnt play defense", than, I wanna hear who you WOULD get... and I also want you to consider that our current window is directly tied to Amare Stoudemire, who at age 28, i would say has about 4-5 years of prime game left in him.
I get stupider everyday listening to some feeble minded fans saying "hes a one way player", "hes a ball stopper" blah blah... paul pierce was a ball stopper too before he got some elite talent next to him, and now hes a sure fire hall of famer.
And "rebuilding the right way" is a stupid cliche, whoever says that just listens to too much talking head on TV. Someone made graet points.... look at the contenders today... Heat (built through free agency), Boston (built through trades), Lakers (besides Kobe, built through trades). Only SPurs fit that "right way" mold, and the reason they have been so great is b/c they stepped in sh*t and drafted a top 10 player of all time in Tim Duncan
nykinoz wrote:vinnie_vegas69 wrote:nykinoz wrote:lol, just for fun, i ran a sim season on 2k11 with 2 different scenarios:
1/ Trade Chandler, Curry and Randolph for Melo
2/ Trade Chandler, Curry and Randolph for Bogut.
Which team you think won more games?
That's a fallacious argument though - Sure, getting a center helps, but it's not like we couldn't get one if we traded for Melo.
You'd need to compare getting Melo and someone like Dalembert with getting Bogut and a swingman that we signed with the MLE.
Ok, give me a swingman to sign with the MLE and i'll run it.
BTW, i give no credence to the results of the sim, it's just a bit of fun.
duetta wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:So we can find ourselves a Melo with a non-lottery pick? If we sign him in the off season it maxes out our cap space anyway so I am assuming you want to just pass on Melo?
So long as I can keep the majority of my asset base, I'm fine with signing or trading for Anthony. But I insist on paying as little as possible for a guy who can score his 30+ against the lowly Nets, and still have his team lose by double-digits.
St Knick wrote:are some of you really complaining about trading for Melo with a potential Chandler, Curry, Randolph deal?
AggO wrote:I dont understand how ppl can consider AR + Curry for a late first as a fair deal. AR is still on his rookie contract, and unless he puts up 17/8 next year he's not going to command 6+ million off his rookie deal. Them taking on Curry is a joke. He's been paid more than 50% of his contracts worth already.
How is Minnesota asking for more incentive? Unless we get back ridnuor or DEN covets Bewer- and again, that seems shady itself given HIS contract status, I dont understand how this rumor makes any sense at all.
duetta wrote:St Knick wrote:are some of you really complaining about trading for Melo with a potential Chandler, Curry, Randolph deal?
No one is complaining about that deal. But that deal will not go down. Denver will not be able to sell it to its fan base.
god shammgod wrote:you can't overpay melo. look what the nets were willing to give up for him. do you think he's unmovable for value after he's extended ? it's not like being stuck with eddy curry.
ibraheim718 wrote:You bring up one game?
Well I'll bring up one playoff run. The WCF they lost to LA if Melo doesn't twist his ankle and come down with the flu or if they don't throw 2 inbounds passes out of bounds they win that series.
And I insist on paying one heck of a baller whatever he damn deserves. The Nuggets have been riddled by injury all year... Have you seen their record?
duetta wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:You bring up one game?
Well I'll bring up one playoff run. The WCF they lost to LA if Melo doesn't twist his ankle and come down with the flu or if they don't throw 2 inbounds passes out of bounds they win that series.
And I insist on paying one heck of a baller whatever he damn deserves. The Nuggets have been riddled by injury all year... Have you seen their record?
He's not a legit franchise player - as every statistical analysis demonstrates. EVERY ONE. And Denver has a team literally built around his weaknesses. That will not be the case here - as least as long as D'Antoni is the coach. The NBA isn't some computer game. Chemistry matters - a lot.
duetta wrote:He's not a legit franchise player - as every statistical analysis demonstrates. EVERY ONE. And Denver has a team literally built around his weaknesses. That will not be the case here - as least as long as D'Antoni is the coach. The NBA isn't some computer game. Chemistry matters - a lot.
duetta wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:You bring up one game?
Well I'll bring up one playoff run. The WCF they lost to LA if Melo doesn't twist his ankle and come down with the flu or if they don't throw 2 inbounds passes out of bounds they win that series.
And I insist on paying one heck of a baller whatever he damn deserves. The Nuggets have been riddled by injury all year... Have you seen their record?
He's not a legit franchise player - as every statistical analysis demonstrates. EVERY ONE. And Denver has a team literally built around his weaknesses. That will not be the case here - as least as long as D'Antoni is the coach. The NBA isn't some computer game. Chemistry matters - a lot.
ibraheim718 wrote:Well we shall see.... But this much is clear you don't like the guy as a player and I do. I wish people against the trade will just say that.
NYK0605 wrote:I am convinced you have never watched Melo play.
Falstaffxx wrote:He doesn't have a teammate anywhere close to Amar'e's talent level in Denver though.
duetta wrote:Falstaffxx wrote:He doesn't have a teammate anywhere close to Amar'e's talent level in Denver though.
And do you remember the stories of Amare sulking in Phoenix when he wasn't at the center of their offense - assuming he stays healthy at all?
duetta wrote:NYK0605 wrote:I am convinced you have never watched Melo play.
Gee, I saw Gallo lay two clean blocks on him in New York, and refs give him the superstar call. And I've seen him sucker punch Mardy Collins, and then run like a girl from Nate Robinson. So, yeah, I have seen him - and I've seen his pattern of declining numbers. At the end of the day, the NBA comes down to numbers - as in most wins in a playoff series, etc. And Melo's numbers have been moving in a decidedly southward direction.