Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

queridiculo · Post #861 » by **queridiculo** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 11:23 pm

I personally wouldn't mind Washington finding a way to pick up Character.

Dat2U · Post #862 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 5:25 am

The Lakers moving Vujacic earlier this year really killed any potential of Hinrich being traded there later on. Vujacic was their only large expiring. The Lakers can only offer fringe prospects in Ebanks & Caracter along with a very late 1st rounder and I don't think that's enough to offset having to take a long term deal like Blake, Walton or Artest.

A three way deal is unlikely as well because no team would really want to be saddled with those long term contracts either.

That 3-way deal b/w the Cavs/LAL & us is horrible (Sorry CCJ). Eyenga has potential as a defensive stopper, but so do a handful of other prospects in the NBDL. He's not worth adding the additional long term salary in Blake or giving up a draft pick for. And I don't think Cleveland touches either Artest's or Walton's deal.

Ed Wood · Post #863 » by **Ed Wood** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 5:32 am

I do not like the prospect of taking on Walton's contract but I don't understand why a third team would take on both Walton and Blake's deals in order to help the Wizards get a first round pick and to move Heinzreech to the Lakers, that's quite a favor. So I don't see much alternative in that situation other than to take on at least Walton's deal, which would mean that we'd want to be compensated for both Klay and for having to pay Luke Walton.

At minimum that would, to me, entail getting the future first and one of Ebanks or Caracter (and reading the post Dat made as I wrote this he has a point, that might not be enough). I like Ebanks better because he has a more definite and certain NBA skill to me (his defense) and he's been more productive in very limited time. The Wizards also already have an undersized power forward on the roster and will probably add another four in the draft considering how the top of the lottery is shaping up.

I don't know the Lakers' pick situation (I guess Jersey probably has it?) but Ebanks might be able to step into Al's role without much (or any) drop off next year but that is the fainest of praise and not a standard that will lead to much improvement in the team.

dangermouse · Post #864 » by **dangermouse** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 6:01 am

Hinrich for Blake, Ebanks and Unprotected 1st round pick in 2013.

Im pretty sure they traded this years first away, so they cant trade the next one either. The one after that could be worth having, the team would be quite old and Phil should have retired by then.

dangermouse · Post #865 » by **dangermouse** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 12:26 pm

Yo, Batum ripping D-Rose about his D, as per the wiretap.

Can we please go after this cat when his deal is up? I guess we would probably have to overpay to snag him from the TB's. But maybe he could get on Wall's back a bit in practise. Maybe he could even teach Seraphin a thing or two, French Connections.

Post #866 » by **nate33** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 2:34 pm

Dat2U wrote:The Lakers moving Vujacic earlier this year really killed any potential of Hinrich being traded there later on. Vujacic was their only large expiring. The Lakers can only offer fringe prospects in Ebanks & Caracter along with a very late 1st rounder and I don't think that's enough to offset having to take a long term deal like Blake, Walton or Artest.

A three way deal is unlikely as well because no team would really want to be saddled with those long term contracts either.

That 3-way deal b/w the Cavs/LAL & us is horrible (Sorry CCJ). Eyenga has potential as a defensive stopper, but so do a handful of other prospects in the NBDL. He's not worth adding the additional long term salary in Blake or giving up a draft pick for. And I don't think Cleveland touches either Artest's or Walton's deal.

Agree with all of this. CCJ's deal is incredibly bad. I don't want Blake or Walton, and I can't see a 3-way to make it all work out.

Post #867 » by **nate33** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 2:35 pm

dangermouse wrote:Yo, Batum ripping D-Rose about his D, as per the wiretap.

Can we please go after this cat when his deal is up? I guess we would probably have to overpay to snag him from the TB's. But maybe he could get on Wall's back a bit in practise. Maybe he could even teach Seraphin a thing or two, French Connections.

I'd love to trade Blatche for Batum. I'd consider trading McGee, depending on who was available in the draft.

nuposse04 · Post #868 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:07 pm

I'd like to get Jordan Hill but I'm not sure we have anything the rockets want. Maybe Hinrich since they're trying to get rid of brooks. I tried to see if Hill+lee would work for hinrich+ Hill, but alas..no...

Dat2U · Post #869 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:14 pm

Not saying I'd automatically do this but I thought I'd throw it out there:

L.A. Clippers trade:
1st round pick (2012 Timberwolves unprotected pick)

Wizards trade:
CE Javale McGee

The Clippers have the cap room to absorb McGee's contract. They get to pair McGee w/ Blake Griffin to become the most athletic front line in the NBA.

The Wizards hit the reset button and add a second high lottery pick into the mix (Wolves currently have the 2nd worse record in the league.)

Aw, who am I kidding, I'd make this deal without hesitation.

Post #870 » by **nate33** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:34 pm

^
Without hesitation.

Post #871 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:40 pm

Then watch the TPups make the playoffs. I'm a glutton for punishment; I'll stick with Javale.

Post #872 » by **nate33** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 5:22 pm

Ruzious wrote:Then watch the TPups make the playoffs. I'm a glutton for punishment; I'll stick with Javale.

I was thinking that was the 2011 pick. Hmm. The 2012 pick is obviously less enticing. I see no way that the TWolves will make the playoffs in the West next year, but there's a good chance that they win 30-35 games instead of the 20 or so that they're on pace to win this year. Trading McGee for a top 5 pick is appealing. Trading him for the 12th pick? Not so much.

nuposse04 · Post #873 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 5:53 pm

why would the clip want mcgee when they have DeAndre? I think they'd turn this down.

Illuminaire · Post #874 » by **Illuminaire** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 6:16 pm

Have you seen DeAndre play? He shows flashes, but he's not exactly Mr. Fundamental. =p

Dat2U · Post #875 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 6:27 pm

nate33 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Then watch the TPups make the playoffs. I'm a glutton for punishment; I'll stick with Javale.

I was thinking that was the 2011 pick. Hmm. The 2012 pick is obviously less enticing. I see no way that the TWolves will make the playoffs in the West next year, but there's a good chance that they win 30-35 games instead of the 20 or so that they're on pace to win this year. Trading McGee for a top 5 pick is appealing. Trading him for the 12th pick? Not so much.

Yeah, so did I. Actually I must of thought it was 2012 already. :oops:

I'd pass on making that trade.

However I would love to see if we could swing Nick & Dray for the Clips lottery pick and filler.

nuposse04 · Post #876 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 7:30 pm

Illuminaire wrote:Have you seen DeAndre play? He shows flashes, but he's not exactly Mr. Fundamental. =p

Ah i see, huge difference there between him and Mcgee...

Post #877 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 7:40 pm

nuposse04 wrote:
Illuminaire wrote:Have you seen DeAndre play? He shows flashes, but he's not exactly Mr. Fundamental. =p

Ah i see, huge difference there between him and Mcgee...

Defensively - no question. But offensively, DeAndre is a complete disaster.

nuposse04 · Post #878 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 7:44 pm

Ruzious wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:
Illuminaire wrote:Have you seen DeAndre play? He shows flashes, but he's not exactly Mr. Fundamental. =p

Ah i see, huge difference there between him and Mcgee...

Defensively - no question. But offensively, DeAndre is a complete disaster.

the only thing McGee can do with relative consistency is dunking and lay-ups. He has no go to post moves so Offensively he isn't THAT different then DA. The clippers would be foolish to make this trade. Whats our center plan should we trade mcgee? Hope Seraphin stops fouling every 18 seconds?

Illuminaire · Post #879 » by **Illuminaire** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 8:06 pm

Nuposse04:

I don't see this trade happening, and I wouldn't want it to even if it did. I do think it's far from "foolish", however. Javale and Deandre are both erratic talents with gaping holes in their games. They also both have fairly high foul rates. So yes, the Clippers *could* be interested in Javale, for the same reason that teams draft players like Jordan and McGee in the first place - bigs with potential are lottery tickets, and some times you want to hedge your bet by getting more than one.

A center platoon of McGee/Jordan would be raw but pretty sick athletically. It would also free them to shop Kaman around for a bag of chips + expirings. I don't like he trade, but it's not unreasonable.

Post #880 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 8:16 pm

nuposse04 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:Ah i see, huge difference there between him and Mcgee...

Defensively - no question. But offensively, DeAndre is a complete disaster.

the only thing McGee can do with relative consistency is dunking and lay-ups. He has no go to post moves so Offensively he isn't THAT different then DA. The clippers would be foolish to make this trade. Whats our center plan should we trade mcgee? Hope Seraphin stops fouling every 18 seconds?

Oh, I'm not suggesting either team make that trade. All I'm saying is - as bad as Javale might be offensively, DeAndre is that much worse - offensively - at least up to this point in his career.