[Camelo Thread Part 15] - Slim Chance of LA/DEN Deal

[Justdatdude]

Not elite player...hes an elite offensive player...

Elite players are elite offensive and elite defensive players....neither Melo or STAT are that...

LBJ, Wade, Kobe, Dwill, CP3, Howard are among the elite in the NBA...

But from just an offensive stand point....

Other than Kobe, James, Dwill, Dirk I dont think id want anyone else with the ball in their hands late in a game....

I just hope if we are able to get Melo, we go for it all this year and deal Felton for Nash...

If we arent going to play defense, lets really try to outscore teams...

Nash
Fields
Melo
Amare
Mozgov

Contradicted yourself to fast. Smh.

[richardhutnik]

Not elite player...hes an elite offensive player...

Elite players are elite offensive and elite defensive players....neither Melo or STAT are that...

LBJ, Wade, Kobe, Dwill, CP3, Howard are among the elite in the NBA...

But from just an offensive stand point....

Other than Kobe, James, Dwill, Dirk I dont think id want anyone else with the ball in their hands late in a game....

Is Howard an elite offensive player? If not, by your measure, then how can you consider Dwight Howard an elite player? Anyhow, at this point, it gets absurd, because if Dwight Howard is not an elite player at Center, who is? Howard is arguably the best center in the NBA at this point and time. If you are that, you are elite. So, how about we look at the total player's game, and see where they rate. I would say elite players dominate in some fashion and can take over games. They don't need to have a complete game, just a dominant one. I would also say, if a player starts in the all-star game, odds are they are elite. Amar'e and Melo have done that, so I say you count them as elite.

- Rich

[ITGM]

I think it's obvious Walsh is in a constant battle with Dolan. Walsh is telling Dolan to wait and don't panic, we don't have to give up the farm for Melo. And Dolan is like, " you told me to wait for Lebron and look how that turned out. I'm not letting that sh*t happen again."

[Knicks_Fan2]

Durant is awesome but, at this point in his career, he has some issues when playing against very physical defenders like Artest. Melo can easily deal with that.

[mpharris36]

Not elite player...hes an elite offensive player...

Elite players are elite offensive and elite defensive players....neither Melo or STAT are that...

LBJ, Wade, Kobe, Dwill, CP3, Howard are among the elite in the NBA...

But from just an offensive stand point....

Other than Kobe, James, Dwill, Dirk I dont think id want anyone else with the ball in their hands late in a game....

I just hope if we are able to get Melo, we go for it all this year and deal Felton for Nash...

If we arent going to play defense, lets really try to outscore teams...

Nash
Fields
Melo
Amare
Mozgov

Well if your going by that thought process that an elite player is someone elite of the defensive end just as the offensive end. My list would be shorter then yours. LBJ, Wade, Kobe, and CP3. No way Dwill is an elite defender he just isn't. And no way is dwight howard an elite offensive player. He is still extremely raw and there are too many games where he gets shut down and scores in single digits or the teens.

What makes Carmelo elite in my eyes is that at the end of the game you just get the feeling he can score whenever and whereever he is on the floor. Besides Kobe, Durant, and maybe Paul Pierce (who always makes the last shot) Carmelo is top 5 in terms of late game scoring.

[nykgeneralmanager]

Durant is one of the most efficient elite scorers this league has ever seen based on what he did last year. And whether its fair or not, taking into account his size makes him way more unique than your prototypical SF such as Melo. Then after all of that, he is still just 22. I don't think the gap is that wide between them as pure scorers, but Durant is better/plays harder on the defensive end which separates him from a guy like Melo.

But you're right, its not as if Durant is 20 times better than him, he is just more efficient and unique/younger.

I won't argue because Durant is a better defender than Carmelo but when you look at everything at a higher view, I really don't see how it should tip the scales into one player being elite while another isn't.

To me being elite doesn't mean that it's only reserved for only 3-5 people. If you have an ability or abilities that are better than a typical player and can raise your game to another level when needed, you're elite. Whether that's defensively or offensively.

Thats fair, I can't disagree...elite is not something that is set in stone, it just depends what each person considers it to be. Like I said, I consider Melo and Amar'e to be in the same category, and I wouldn't consider Amar'e to be elite (although you can argue against that based on the first 50 games this season) or on Durant's level.

[ITGM]

Unquestionably, unequivocally, and unambiguously YES!

[seren]

Absolutely.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Its subjective.

I would say Melo is top 10. 7 or 8 I guess give or take a few spots

His teams always seem to make the playoffs no matter who's on it.

And to be honest, I don't think he's that far away from Kobe overall. Minus defense, and Melo may even be better. But I think Kobe is a little overrated and got lucky playing on great teams w/ great players for a great coach. The years when he didn't have another top player or star his teams were mediocre. Even missed the playoffs.

[vallen]

Dolan met with James also, and had Amare to his house for dinner before that signing.

I actually think this is a positive thing for us if true, as its been known that Dolan always closes up with $$$ signs. He likes to romance them a little, make himself feel part of the team. I also may even speculate that since Melo missed shoot around again last night, because maybe somebody was granted a meeting via conference call

[Capn'O]

He is an elite scorer, you can argue that he and Durant are the top 2. He can just score in so many ways that it is impossible to stop him some night such as last night. Elite "player"? Not so much. He is a top 10, maybe top 15 player because of his scoring ability though.

Also, he is the top rebounding SF in the NBA, so pairing him with Fields in the starting lineup would actually help, and I think that fact has gone unnoticed because of the focus on his scoring. We can really use his rebounding though.

Great point about the rebounding because he would probably be called upon to do a LOT of that here. Seven seconds or Melo offense has me drooling.

[duetta]

Good luck with this thread.

[NY Knicka]

Top 15 Player in the league??? Whats good with all this Melo bias??? If we get Melo he automatically becomes the best player on this team. I want someone to name 14 Players in this league that are better than Carmelo Anthony

[Starksfor3]

Somebody lock Dolan in a cage until the trading deadline is over.

[Da_Mane_Man]

what makes wade an elite defensive player?? he doesn't really shut guys down.

to me, LBJ, kobe and cp3 are the only truly elite 2 way players. so if you look at it that way, the league only has 3 elite players? i don't think so.

either way, call it what you want, melo is one of the top players in the league. we don't need to wprry about "is he better than durant" cause durant himself is one of the best in the league. we don't have the first pick in 2k11 build a franchise. we don't have our choice of ANY guy in the league. the only one that's available is melo and he's good enough to make us great.

[NewEra]

Top 15 Player in the league??? Whats good with all this Melo bias??? If we get Melo he automatically becomes the best player on this team. I want someone to name 14 Players in this league that are better than Carmelo Anthony

They wouldn't even be able to name 10. Melo is as much of a superstar as Durant

[Da_Mane_Man]

Not elite player...hes an elite offensive player...

Elite players are elite offensive and elite defensive players....neither Melo or STAT are that...

LBJ, Wade, Kobe, Dwill, CP3, Howard are among the elite in the NBA...

But from just an offensive stand point....

Other than Kobe, James, Dwill, Dirk I dont think id want anyone else with the ball in their hands late in a game....

Is Howard an elite offensive player? If not, by your measure, then how can you consider Dwight Howard an elite player? Anyhow, at this point, it gets absurd, because if Dwight Howard is not an elite player at Center, who is? Howard is arguably the best center in the NBA at this point and time. If you are that, you are elite. So, how about we look at the total player's game, and see where they rate. I would say elite players dominate in some fashion and can take over games. They don't need to have a complete game, just a dominant one. I would also say, if a player starts in the all-star game, odds are they are elite. Amar'e and Melo have done that, so I say you count them as elite.

- Rich

QFT!

i think the criteria for "elite" is what everybody's arguing about here... and i agree with yours.

if you're one of the dominant players in the league, then you're just that. i doesn't matter what name you put on it.

[j4remi]

i think we make too much of his defensive "deficiency".

melo is not a BAD defender. i remember watching the nuggets in the playoffs a couple of years ago and thinking "wow, this team is really playing good team defense". that's when i was convinced that melo was better than wade. he had really bought in to Karl's scheme and he was busting his butt on the defensive end. that's where i saw that he was capable of it and that he was an ELITE player.

this year though, i think it's a different story. he really doesn't want to be there and he's not really giving it his all. when you've got tools like jr smith on your team chucking unconsciously, it's a little hard to dig in and try your hardest on defense.

and let's not kid ourselves, these guys are ALL human and most of them don't go all out 100% of the time. so let's not try to bring up any "red flags" because he's "dogging it" this year. Melo is an ELITE player and he will make us an ELITE team.

and while we're at it ... how many of these *top players in the league* are great defenders? really. is durant a good defender? wade? bosh? brandon roy? steve nash? rudy gay?

EXCELLENT POST! I have a feeling people will cry and pout no matter what deal brings Melo here, and after one playoff series they will be calling him elite. Watching Melo in the playoffs is eye-opening and it has been for three years now.

[bigfnjoe96]

I got this....

[delvec19]

ESPN and Broussard are saying that Dolan in talks is making it more likely to get done...it's just a matter of who we give up now. I have a feeling we're gonna be saying goodbye to Fields as well.