[Camelo Thread Part 15] - Slim Chance of LA/DEN Deal

BigUgly · Post #101 » by **BigUgly** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:24 pm

This Chandler ankle injury deal is scaring me I am going to disapointed at this point if it does not go down before the deadline i am getting my hopes up

Future Soldier · Post #102 » by **Future Soldier** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:24 pm

delvec19 wrote:ESPN and Broussard are saying that Dolan in talks is making it more likely to get done...it's just a matter of who we give up now. I have a feeling we're gonna be saying goodbye to Fields as well.

hell naw. He ain't going anywhere.

JohnStarksTheDunk · Post #103 » by **JohnStarksTheDunk** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:25 pm

DatNYKnicka wrote:Top 15 Player in the league??? Whats good with all this Melo bias??? If we get Melo he automatically becomes the best player on this team. I want someone to name 14 Players in this league that are better than Carmelo Anthony

I'd say he is definitely in the top 10. In no real order, here are 10 of the top guys in the league (add in CP3 when 100% healthy). Is there anyone not on this list who should be in here instead of Melo?

LBJ
Kobe
Melo
DWill
Wade
Durant
Dirk
Dwight
Amare
Griffin

BigUgly · Post #104 » by **BigUgly** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:26 pm

If we got to give up Landry Fields we got to ill miss him but we need Anthony . It sucks to give up Landry but maybe we wont lets just hope old Jimmy is saying ill take Free Candy's contract he was always a nice guy aand let me keep my rookie.

Post #105 » by **knicks742** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:26 pm

As long as we keep Mozgov, I can accept other casualties.

nykballa2k4 · Post #106 » by **nykballa2k4** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:28 pm

Looking at personal numbers, Carmelo is not elite. BUT as people have said -- Melo has been a winner. Melo has been THAT good and never had an Amare next to him. Melo went onto a lotto team and along with a healthy Camby made the Nuggets a good playoff team in 1 year, you gotta see him as elite.

TDcraz5 · Post #107 » by **TDcraz5** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:28 pm

According tro Broussard...

The Lakers are now in on the Melo trade talks....

ITGM · Post #108 » by **ITGM** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:28 pm

delvec19 wrote:ESPN and Broussard are saying that Dolan in talks is making it more likely to get done...it's just a matter of who we give up now. I have a feeling we're gonna be saying goodbye to Fields as well.

Yup, i's likely to get done with Dolan taking an assertive position. It's also likely that Dolan will have everyone not named Amare Stoudemire and Raymond Felton shipped off to make it happen.

shtolky · Post #109 » by **shtolky** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:29 pm

I'm sure some of you just saw Broussard on Sportscenter with a "developing story" that the Lakers and Nuggets are having preliminary discussions centered around Bynum for Melo. Now he says Melo would be amenable to such a thing, that the Nuggets want more from the Knicks...I just urge people not to get too nuts over this...this is Lebron all over again. He was 75% sure he was going to the Knicks last night, now he has no clue what the Nuggets want to do. Reporters being fed info and we can't buy into most of it and just have to be patient.

ITGM · Post #110 » by **ITGM** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:30 pm

TDcraz5 wrote:According tro Broussard...

The Lakers are now in on the Melo trade talks....

I swear I'm the Nostradamus of our time; did I call this or what.

Future Soldier · Post #111 » by **Future Soldier** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:31 pm

I love how GM's would rather hand the Lakers championships than help out the Knicks.

towelie · Post #112 » by **towelie** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:31 pm

delvec19 wrote:ESPN and Broussard are saying that Dolan in talks is making it more likely to get done...it's just a matter of who we give up now. I have a feeling we're gonna be saying goodbye to Fields as well.

Dolan isn't the GM and likely isn't offering our players.

However, as owner, he probably told Kroenke that he'll take back Harrington, Balkman, and whatever other financial savings he could provide under the CBA, undermining Walsh.

towelie · Post #113 » by **towelie** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:33 pm

shtolky wrote:I'm sure some of you just saw Broussard on Sportscenter with a "developing story" that the Lakers and Nuggets are having preliminary discussions centered around Bynum for Melo. Now he says Melo would be amenable to such a thing, that the Nuggets want more from the Knicks...I just urge people not to get too nuts over this...this is Lebron all over again. He was 75% sure he was going to the Knicks last night, now he has no clue what the Nuggets want to do. Reporters being fed info and we can't buy into most of it and just have to be patient.

I find it hard to believe that the Nuggets would be interested in Bynum and his near-max contract. He's not someone you build around.

If these reports are true, I'd take it as nothing more as Denver trying to exact some leverage against the Knicks by bringing in a 3rd party.

BigUgly · Post #114 » by **BigUgly** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:34 pm

TDcraz5 wrote:According tro Broussard...

The Lakers are now in on the Melo trade talks....

uh oh but would Denver really want Bynum and his deal dude never plays

BigUgly · Post #115 » by **BigUgly** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:36 pm

ITGM wrote:
TDcraz5 wrote:According tro Broussard...

The Lakers are now in on the Melo trade talks....

I swear I'm the Nostradamus of our time; did I call this or what.

You where not exactly going out a limb there . We all thought the Lakers as a team what he would goto and a team who may have the assets. It is very logical

Ignitowsky · Post #116 » by **Ignitowsky** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:36 pm

Melo is absolutely an elite player, despite that fact that he's always been a volume shooter and is fairly mediocre (at least for tje past couple of seaons) from 3.

With your team down by 1 with 10 seconds left in the game, name 10 guys tat you'd rather have on your team than melo. If the answer is "I can't", he's elite, because he is able to do what the essence/core of the game is about- score the ball- as well in the clutch as almost anyone in the league.

I'll add fule to the fire and say that Melo becomes even better in MD's system, where he'll get more open looks per game. He'd also being playing with another elite scorer. I pity the poor coach who is trying to figure out how to defend us in the last seconds of a game when he has Melo and Amar'e to worry about.

Post #117 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:41 pm

JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:
DatNYKnicka wrote:Top 15 Player in the league??? Whats good with all this Melo bias??? If we get Melo he automatically becomes the best player on this team. I want someone to name 14 Players in this league that are better than Carmelo Anthony

I'd say he is definitely in the top 10. In no real order, here are 10 of the top guys in the league (add in CP3 when 100% healthy). Is there anyone not on this list who should be in here instead of Melo?

LBJ
Kobe
Melo
DWill
Wade
Durant
Dirk
Dwight
Amare
Griffin

Rose? Pau? Not necessarily instead of... but I now put them in that class of players.

I prefer the tier system myself where

LBJ
Kobe

Are tier 1

Dwight
Wade
Dirk
Durant*

Are tier 1A

And the rest of the guys are tier 2. I find it hard to rank when each gives a skillset that could be more valuable to one team than another.

*Durant could easily move to tier 1 after a great playoffs.

god shammgod · Post #118 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:41 pm

i don't buy the lakers because denver won't save money in the deal. i thought we were going to take al back all along, that's not a big deal to me.

shtolky · Post #119 » by **shtolky** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:41 pm

I don't really think L.A. necessarily has more assets than us. We've heard Bynum possibly going to here, there, everywhere straight up for so and so. Remember how so many reported Bynum for Bosh straight up during last season, please. The guy is 23 and has shown he simply can't stay on the court. For all of his star potential everyone thinks he has, he sure hasn't shown anything to warrant that. Also, he has 15 million coming to him next season and then will expect to get paid the year after. I can't see Denver taking on that contract for next season with the strong chance he walks after next year. Sure, they have Nene and he could walk next year, but they are going to get an injury prone 23 year old straight up for Melo? I don't buy it, neither should you.

aggo · Post #120 » by **aggo** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:42 pm

i disagree.

sounds like they want fields, moz or gallo in this deal.

i dont see why they would want bynum. They would need a third team.

How can they turn around and tell the lakers: "oh, yeah! we want bynum we dont care about the luxury tax!"

REMEMber guys. They want to get under the tax badly. Bynum inhibits their ability to deal melo for bynum straight up because of his contract size. And obviously, the lakers cannot absorb melo freely because they are over the cap themselves. The beauty of the NY-MINN connection is that both NY and MINN can absorb contracts without taking 100% equal value (contract wise) back.

It's why a third team always needed to be involved. DEN doesnt want to swap contracts 1:1. If they did so, they'd still be over the luxury tax.