Jerry's Been the Same for 69 Years

retiredcoach · Post #1 » by **retiredcoach** » Tue Feb 8, 2011 11:30 pm

Here's a clip of Jerry during his playing days in college and with the Bulls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q79hZ3v8 ... r_embedded

Here's an excerpt from this Chris Webber run in.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba-237298

And finally, here's the SI article by Amaechi ranting about Sloan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... ag/amaechi

I can only imagine Gordon Hayward, raised in a very religious family, John Stockton, Catholic to the bone, and Jeremy Evans going home every day with burning ears.

Sloan's been the same since birth. I imagine his daddy dragged him behind the tractor kind of like sledding without the snow. After his father died, his older brother, Buck, probably carried on the tradition. If you're the youngest of 10 kids living on a farm, and you aren't tough and willing to fight, you aren't going to get anything to eat.

Reckless · Post #2 » by **Reckless** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 12:58 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJfofsi80FY[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqjt9500Ws[/youtube]

still the same ole jerry

BarneyGumble · Post #3 » by **BarneyGumble** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 1:53 am

The same could be said for the Utah Jazz. Always good. Never great.

gojazzmjsucks · Post #4 » by **gojazzmjsucks** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 4:06 am

Jerry has always got great things out of players. I always wished he was better at developing the younger guys. If jerry coaches for 2 more years i think he becomes the most winning coach of all time. He has got us into the playoffs almost every year. The fact that we have never won a title hurts but you know what unless you are the Spurs,Celtics.Lakers, or Bulls you have not won many either.

Ern III · Post #5 » by **Ern III** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 4:44 am

"It's the only thing I know how to do."

How many times has he offered this utterance? Some might even perceive the great man as totally inert and frightened of life after basketball, and hence will have to be pushed when it's evident his players have tired of him. Oh... that's happening now?!

retiredcoach · Post #6 » by **retiredcoach** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 5:31 am

Sloan will stay until he gets the wins record. After that he will seriously consider leaving. He needs two more seasons after this one to get it. So figure he'll stay until he's 72.

Tammy, the new wife, doesn't want to live in McLeansboro, Illinois, and his step son is in high school, so they won't consider moving until he graduates. What's he going to do, work on tractors all day? He might as well stay for the wins record.

Maybe he'll take up posting on basketball forums!

HammerDunk · Post #7 » by **HammerDunk** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 6:37 am

Tough guy talk from Amaechi. Now that's rich! I wish he would have tried to go Latrell Sprewell on Sloan to see how long he would have been in the hospital afterward.

Sloan is a man's man, plain and simple. Not the best coach ever, but pretty damn good. Utah has been lucky to have him, and he can stay as long as he wants.

Neon Black · Post #8 » by **Neon Black** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 8:35 am

HammerDunk wrote:Tough guy talk from Amaechi. Now that's rich! I wish he would have tried to go Latrell Sprewell on Sloan to see how long he would have been in the hospital afterward.

Sloan is a man's man, plain and simple. Not the best coach ever, but pretty damn good. Utah has been lucky to have him, and he can stay as long as he wants.

I can't stand John Amaechi, he was one of the worst players the Jazz have ever had, hands down. He didn't care, treating pro basketball like it was just something the world owed him, not like an actual job. That's why Sloan hated him, whether he wants to believe it or not.

The59Sound · Post #9 » by **The59Sound** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 2:20 pm

Neon Black wrote:
HammerDunk wrote:Tough guy talk from Amaechi. Now that's rich! I wish he would have tried to go Latrell Sprewell on Sloan to see how long he would have been in the hospital afterward.

Sloan is a man's man, plain and simple. Not the best coach ever, but pretty damn good. Utah has been lucky to have him, and he can stay as long as he wants.

I can't stand John Amaechi, he was one of the worst players the Jazz have ever had, hands down. He didn't care, treating pro basketball like it was just something the world owed him, not like an actual job. That's why Sloan hated him, whether he wants to believe it or not.

Amen. And, regardless of how players feel about his actual coaching, Amaechi is the only one I've ever heard impugn Sloan's decency as a human being.

Fido · Post #10 » by **Fido** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 2:37 pm

Agree on Amaechi--but my favorite in the bunch is the Chris Webber story. I can picture Sloan ready to go on the floor and rip Webber's throat out and a scrawny ref coming to his rescue. :lol:

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #11 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 4:01 pm

Amaechi is an embarrassment to the sport of basketball on and off the court. The guy is a complete joke. I have nothing against homosexuals (one of my best friends recently announced he was homosexual) but I do have a big problem with guys who use it to get attention and vent about their overly inflated insecurities. I have never had any respect for the guy and I never will. I would have loved to see him try and pull a Latrell Sprewell on Sloan...Jerry would have torn his heart out and fed it to his farm dogs before grinding up his body and using it as compose for his crops.

I love the Chris Webber story. I'm a big fan of C-Webb and this story just makes me laugh every time. C-Webb still has all the respect in the world for Sloan too.

I love how Jerry has been the same for 69 years and I hope he stays that way until the end. Love the guy and everything he represents.

HammerDunk · Post #12 » by **HammerDunk** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 7:04 pm

If anything, the Amaechi article gives insight into how the mind of a weak individual would react to Sloan. Of course, it was many years later in an article that he became the "tough guy" that went against Sloan... conveniently.

Webber putting a hard pick on Stockton is just funny. The big man taking out big bad Stockton. Way to be thug.

Ern III · Post #13 » by **Ern III** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:20 pm

retiredcoach wrote:Sloan will stay until he gets the wins record. After that he will seriously consider leaving. He needs two more seasons after this one to get it. So figure he'll stay until he's 72.

Tammy, the new wife, doesn't want to live in McLeansboro, Illinois, and his step son is in high school, so they won't consider moving until he graduates. What's he going to do, work on tractors all day? He might as well stay for the wins record.

Maybe he'll take up posting on basketball forums!

You'd have to admit that the great man comported an air of defeatism the past couple of months. At least in his sideline demeanour, he evidently wasn't the impassioned firebrand of seasons yonder. As he'd made plain, especially at the time of his HOF induction, that's what drove him - desire - more than recognition or accolades. His retirement was absolute confirmation.

Should we keep a lookout for his pseudonym or abandon the idea completely? Man, what I - no doubt, everybody - would give to have his opinion on the team here for the rest of the season. Of course, someone else would have to type it.

retiredcoach · Post #14 » by **retiredcoach** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:27 pm

Yep, I over-estimated his desire to have the record. He fooled me.

My wife and I have talked about Sloan's bench coaching this year and last. We both saw the lowered intensity compared to other years. I had commented that maybe his lack of intensity on the bench was showing up at practice and elsewhere.

Sloan doesn't like the Internet, so you he won't be posting here or anywhere else. If he did, the posts would say the same ten things he's said after every game the Jazz have lost. Somebody should compile a list and just post it after every game.

Ern III · Post #15 » by **Ern III** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:09 am

retiredcoach wrote:Sloan doesn't like the Internet, so... he won't be posting here or anywhere else.

Anachronistic as it may seem, I would think that the internet is quite useful to a collector of antiques. Perhaps, even tractors. Mind you, I'm not prepared to do the research.

Of course, with your topical ID, should you play the right cards, especially as someone who knows a bit about the game, some might be led in to thinking you're someone else. :wink:

retiredcoach · Post #16 » by **retiredcoach** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:29 am

Yeah, buying tractor parts on the Internet might be useful, if Sloan were younger. Given his generation and previously mentioned lack of technological interest, I suspect he has somebody else buy his tractor parts for him. Probably somebody in Mcleansboro, Illinois who actually knows about tractors and who is probably the same age as Sloan.

Who knows maybe he will surprise some people and become a real basketball blogging nut.

Post #17 » by **StocktonShorts** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:47 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Amaechi is an embarrassment to the sport of basketball on and off the court. The guy is a complete joke.

FWIW I read his book and most of the articles out there about him.

He seems like a very decent human being to me, but his passion isn't basketball. From everything I've gathered he strives to make a positive impact on the world.

I think Sloan is also a very decent human being. But I think it goes without saying that the two of them are very different people. I don't really hold it against either of them.

I do marvel at the number of Jerry Sloan apologists out there. In my lifetime I've seen the public perception of him evolve from a guy who couldn't fill Frank Layden's shoes, a foul-mouthed drunkard who abused the officials and his own players to a competent yet stubborn coach who couldn't make gametime adjustments, couldn't ever win the title -- even with two of the greatest players ever -- now to a saintly Hall of Famer whose folksy anecdotes and even foul language are endlessly endearing. Suddenly all of his faults have disappeared and anyone who dares criticize him is guilty of high treason against Jazz nation.

I don't get it.

I wish people could give Sloan the tremendous amount of respect he's due, not less and not more.