Trying to comeup with something between the Wiz and Bulls

TGW · Post #1 » by **TGW** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 2:31 pm

I'm trying to get Nick Young and Andray Blatche to the Bulls. Wondering what the package would be coming back from the Bulls.

I want Taj Gibson and Charlotte's pick. The rest could be filler to make the deal go through.

I was thinking Blatche, Young, Thornton (or Josh Howard) for Gibson, Johnson, Brewer (or Korver), Bogans, and the Charlotte pick. I think this rounds out the Bulls pretty well, giving them some depth and scoring going into the playoffs.

Rose/Watson
Young/Korver
Deng/Thornton
Boozer/Blatche
Noah/Asik/Thomas

For the Wizards, this move gives them more pieces to possibly rebuild around, and a pick.

Wall/Hinrich
Brewer/Bogans
Lewis/Howard/Johnson
Gibson/Booker/Yi
McGee/Seraphin

Cliff Levingston · Post #2 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 3:49 pm

TGW wrote:I was thinking Blatche, Young, Thornton (or Josh Howard) for Gibson, Johnson, Brewer (or Korver), Bogans, and the Charlotte pick. I think this rounds out the Bulls pretty well, giving them some depth and scoring going into the playoffs.

Rose/Watson
Young/Korver
Deng/Thornton
Boozer/Blatche
Noah/Asik/Thomas

Cliff Levingston would prefer to give up Korver if it's not an issue with the Wizards. Korver isn't a 2 guard really and neither is Thornton. Despite Brewer's inability to shoot he'd still be more needed.

All in all though, Cliff Levingston likes the deal a little bit. Not sure what the deal with Blatche is but he provides some scoring punch off the bench that we need. Young is a really nice fit for what we need and would definitely be re-signed unless someone offers a lot more than what he's worth.

Post #3 » by **nate33** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 4:01 pm

I condone this trade from the Wizards standpoint. It's a shame to lose Young, but the trade resets the clock on his rookie deal by replacing him with Gibson. I think Gibson could become a quality role playing PF. He defends, he rebounds okay, and he hits the 17 footer with pretty good consistency for such a young player. I don't mind losing Blatche because I don't think he and McGee can coexist together forever. They're both finesse players.

TGW · Post #4 » by **TGW** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 4:31 pm

Cliff Levingston wrote:
TGW wrote:I was thinking Blatche, Young, Thornton (or Josh Howard) for Gibson, Johnson, Brewer (or Korver), Bogans, and the Charlotte pick. I think this rounds out the Bulls pretty well, giving them some depth and scoring going into the playoffs.

Rose/Watson
Young/Korver
Deng/Thornton
Boozer/Blatche
Noah/Asik/Thomas

Cliff Levingston would prefer to give up Korver if it's not an issue with the Wizards. Korver isn't a 2 guard really and neither is Thornton. Despite Brewer's inability to shoot he'd still be more needed.

All in all though, Cliff Levingston likes the deal a little bit. Not sure what the deal with Blatche is but he provides some scoring punch off the bench that we need. Young is a really nice fit for what we need and would definitely be re-signed unless someone offers a lot more than what he's worth.

If we took Korver, would Chicago be against giving up their pick as well?

I included Brewer because we'd be without a legit shooting guard after this (no offense to Keith -- he's a hometown guy, but he's not good).

Re: Blatche. Andray has been injured and out of shape all year. He's been inefficient, and has not been able to provide a consistent inside presence. He's a bench player being asked to be Kevin Garnett...and obviously he's nowhere close. He can give you a solid option coming off the bench, and can backup both thr 4 and 5. He's value is in his ability to play mulitple spots competently, and will at times gives you some great play.

treis · Post #5 » by **treis** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 4:49 pm

Aren't Blatche and Young morons? That's not really what you want on your team to help win a title.

panthermark · Post #6 » by **panthermark** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 4:59 pm

treis wrote:Aren't Blatche and Young morons? That's not really what you want on your team to help win a title.

Young has been playing better as of late.....but I want NOTHING to do with Blatche.

Neither guys are really "high IQ" players.....so I'm pretty sure the Bulls FO will pass.

Post #7 » by **nate33** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 6:07 pm

treis wrote:Aren't Blatche and Young morons? That's not really what you want on your team to help win a title.

Young isn't bright, but he is smart enough to know that he isn't bright. He's very coachable and will do what the coach tells him. He's not a guy that you put the ball in his hands and ask him to make decisions on the fly, but if you define his role well, he'll do it. Right now, his job is to run around screens and shoot the ball when he gets it. No more than three dribbles are permitted. He does it very well. If the shot isn't available, he is to pass back to his PG.

Blatche is the opposite. He actually has a pretty high basketball IQ and good court awareness, but he thinks he is much smarter and much better than he actually is. It leads him to take lots of bad shots. His other problem is that he is lazy by default. It's not so much that he doesn't care, it's just that he doesn't have an instinct to quickly chase down every loose ball. It's almost like he has to stop and think about moving rather than it happening naturally. At least two or three times a game, he'll just stand 10 feet from the basket stare at the ball when the other team shoots, making no effort to crash the glass or put a body on someone. Other than that, his defensive fundamentals are decent and he has good length.

If Blatche would just stop forcing bad shots, he'd be a rock solid player. If he actually had a motor on defense, he'd be a borderline all-star caliber player. The tantalizing thing about Blatche is that most of his issues are mental. It just doesn't seem like it should be hard to get him to stop forcing shots. A good team with a strong coach should be able to keep him in line. I don't know if the right coach could ever get him to improve his motor though.

BR0D1E86 · Post #8 » by **BR0D1E86** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 6:40 pm

My main concern with Young he shoots the ball far more often than I’d like. I don’t watch enough of him to know if that’s by design or because he’s chucktastic though. If he could reign it in a bit I suppose I’d be fine with the trade from the Bulls’ perspective.

TGW · Post #9 » by **TGW** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 6:51 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:My main concern with Young he shoots the ball far more often than I’d like. I don’t watch enough of him to know if that’s by design or because he’s chucktastic though. If he could reign it in a bit I suppose I’d be fine with the trade from the Bulls’ perspective.

Trust me dude...it's not by design. The Wizards literally do not have a go to scorer. Wall is mainly a distributor. Lewis likes to camp around the 3 point line and shoot of the catch. Blatche tends to pass when he's being pressured to shoot. Nick takes alot of shots with the shot clock winding down out of necessity. It's a wonder he shoots at the percentages he shoots because he takes alot of bailout j's.

BR0D1E86 · Post #10 » by **BR0D1E86** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 6:54 pm

By design I mean is he supposed to be shooting that much, or does he just ignore the offense and take any shot he likes?

Point is.. if the Bulls got him would he be able to take shots at a lower rate where the offense dictates or is he going to go all Larry Hughes on us?

Post #11 » by **nate33** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 7:09 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:By design I mean is he supposed to be shooting that much, or does he just ignore the offense and take any shot he likes?

Point is.. if the Bulls got him would he be able to take shots at a lower rate where the offense dictates or is he going to go all Larry Hughes on us?

No. Young will shoot as much as the coach wants him to. He is not a ballhog. If all that was needed is for him to camp out on the 3-point line and wait for open looks, he'll do just that. And he'll shoot 40% from 3-point range and give you above-average defense at the other end. (He won't give you much help on the boards though.)

On the Wizards, he is their best scorer and the only scorer capable of maintaining a solid scoring efficiency with a heavy usage rate. That's why he shoots so much. For the Wizards, having Young shoot a contested 20-footer while curling off the screen is a better option than giving the ball to Blatche, Thornton, Hinrich or Wall.

JustCame · Post #12 » by **JustCame** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 7:19 pm

Young would be a great compliment to Rose, and Blatche could provide nice scoring. Only problem with this, is that both players are stupid..

BR0D1E86 · Post #13 » by **BR0D1E86** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 7:54 pm

No. Young will shoot as much as the coach wants him to. He is not a ballhog. If all that was needed is for him to camp out on the 3-point line and wait for open looks, he'll do just that. And he'll shoot 40% from 3-point range and give you above-average defense at the other end. (He won't give you much help on the boards though.)

On the Wizards, he is their best scorer and the only scorer capable of maintaining a solid scoring efficiency with a heavy usage rate. That's why he shoots so much. For the Wizards, having Young shoot a contested 20-footer while curling off the screen is a better option than giving the ball to Blatche, Thornton, Hinrich or Wall.

Got it, then I’m perfectly comfortable with the trade in the OP. I probably wouldn’t do my A-level victory dance to celebrate, but it seems like it would be a solid move.