[Camelo Thread Part 15] - Slim Chance of LA/DEN Deal

[KNICKS23]

I think this thread will go to 20 deep melo will aign by next. Week

[K_ick_God]

Y'all have fun the next two weeks. Bottom line is greed. Melo will do what is good for himself. He doesn't give a crap about any of you or the city of New York. Don't ever forget that.

Spin theories all day long if it makes you happy, but this ultimately comes down to Melo getting paid. Everything else is totally secondary and that includes his desire to play in NYC.

Amen. This entire affair is turning my stomach.

You guys definitely have a point. It is very rare for an athlete to put anything over money. I will so, however, that Melo has already gone longer with this thing than most guys would. And while I'm still skeptical, there is SOME reason to believe that Melo might stick to his guns.

[nyknicks2k2]

I think this thread will go to 20 deep melo will aign by next. Week

I think 2 posts is what this account will be stopping at.

[Clyde_Style]

Y'all have fun the next two weeks. Bottom line is greed. Melo will do what is good for himself. He doesn't give a crap about any of you or the city of New York. Don't ever forget that.

Spin theories all day long if it makes you happy, but this ultimately comes down to Melo getting paid. Everything else is totally secondary and that includes his desire to play in NYC.

Amen. This entire affair is turning my stomach.

You guys definitely have a point. It is very rare for an athlete to put anything over money. I will so, however, that Melo has already gone longer with this thing than most guys would. And while I'm still skeptical, there is SOME reason to believe that Melo might stick to his guns.

Well, he'd be a very pathetic person if he doesn't stick to his guns, since he has done nothing to shoot down the NYC rumors the whole season. He made this bed, but I'm advising all to forget about what you know and to trust the only thing you can likely count on: Greed. The rest is a bunch of claptrap invented to sucker all of you into increasing ad revenues. It is mass media leading the sheep and Melo knows this all to well and he has no issue with using all of us to generate more hype and frenzy which he knows his agents and other flunkies use to stir the pot and try to get his way with Denver. But it is basically bad behavior and a real man would advise his agents to keep this crap out of the media. But these are not real men, just boys who bounce balls and think they are special. Most of them are whores, not men of character and I've seen nothing to suggest Melo is a man of greater character than the rest. There are quality people in the business, but money of this nature corrupts most men. Melo is probably no different.

[duetta]

You guys definitely have a point. It is very rare for an athlete to put anything over money. I will so, however, that Melo has already gone longer with this thing than most guys would. And while I'm still skeptical, there is SOME reason to believe that Melo might stick to his guns.

But Lebron did put winning over money. He willingly look less - to win championships.

[johnnywishbone]

You guys definitely have a point. It is very rare for an athlete to put anything over money. I will so, however, that Melo has already gone longer with this thing than most guys would. And while I'm still skeptical, there is SOME reason to believe that Melo might stick to his guns.

But Lebron did put winning over money. He willingly look less - to win championships.

That's true but they got the extra kicker of no state income tax in Florida. I think Melo would take a much bigger hit by signing as a free agent.

[Clyde_Style]

You guys definitely have a point. It is very rare for an athlete to put anything over money. I will so, however, that Melo has already gone longer with this thing than most guys would. And while I'm still skeptical, there is SOME reason to believe that Melo might stick to his guns.

But Lebron did put winning over money. He willingly look less - to win championships.

That is why we wait and see what he does before we pass judgment. If Melo is sincere about coming to NY and winning a ring, then his actions will show that to be the case. But the odds are he wants the paycheck the most. Lebron's issues with the fans stems mostly from his conduct during free agency and less about his final choice. One can say he took the easy way out, but in the end I think it is all a personal choice and I let it go. Melo has a choice about how his representatives conduct themselves, but young ballplayers are seduced by power brokers and the halls of money and go along with their advisors most of the time. And now it seems it is standard protocol for teams and players to use the media like a rag doll and let the fans dangle while they go mano a mano. That is what stinks these days, not what an athlete's final decision may be. If Melo goes elsewhere, good luck to him. I care, but I don't care. If he can help us, great. If not, carry on.

[knicks9784]

You guys definitely have a point. It is very rare for an athlete to put anything over money. I will so, however, that Melo has already gone longer with this thing than most guys would. And while I'm still skeptical, there is SOME reason to believe that Melo might stick to his guns.

But Lebron did put winning over money. He willingly look less - to win championships.

wade took even less, lebron didnt do it to win championships, he did it to make playing the games easier for him and to play with his buddies. the championships that might come are a byproduct. i dont think for one second that championships was his main motivation for going to miami. it was easier and we all saw how angry he was in clev that he had to everything every night, thats what he wanted to get away from, doing all the work. championships is somewhere on his list for choosing miami, but def not first

theres my lebron rant lol

[K_ick_God]

Well, he'd be a very pathetic person if he doesn't stick to his guns, since he has done nothing to shoot down the NYC rumors the whole season. He made this bed, but I'm advising all to forget about what you know and to trust the only thing you can likely count on: Greed. The rest is a bunch of claptrap invented to sucker all of you into increasing ad revenues. It is mass media leading the sheep and Melo knows this all to well and he has no issue with using all of us to generate more hype and frenzy which he knows his agents and other flunkies use to stir the pot and try to get his way with Denver. But it is basically bad behavior and a real man would advise his agents to keep this crap out of the media. But these are not real men, just boys who bounce balls and think they are special. Most of them are whores, not men of character and I've seen nothing to suggest Melo is a man of greater character than the rest. There are quality people in the business, but money of this nature
corrupts most men. Melo is probably no different.

Harsh reality check but I can't say I disagree with your basic premise.

[Clyde_Style]

You guys definitely have a point. It is very rare for an athlete to put anything over money. I will so, however, that Melo has already gone longer with this thing than most guys would. And while I'm still skeptical, there is SOME reason to believe that Melo might stick to his guns.

But Lebron did put winning over money. He willingly look less - to win championships.

wade took even less, lebron didnt do it to win championships, he did it to make playing the games easier for him and to play with his buddies. the championships that might come are a byproduct. i dont think for one second that championships was his main motivation for going to miami. it was easier and we all saw how angry he was in clev that he had to everything every night thats what he wanted to get away from, doing all the work. championships is somewhere on his list for choosing miami, but def first

theres my lebron rant lol

It is plausible to say Lebron just felt safer and more comfortable in Miami. In the end, he appeared very much like a boy in a man's body to me and I don't think he was able to handle NYC. I think is correct he wanted other stars to ease the load. And it may be true he doesn't have the will to build a champsionship team around himself, but wanted something more readymade with other stars. Whatever floats his boat. Melo would get Amar'e and some better supporting pieces than Miami had. Stat is great, but Lebron is better, so Miami still may have more star power than us with Melo, but the gap would be close. Lebron could have teamed up with Stat and Felton would be enough with Lebron on the ball. We'd be in good shape, so Melo would be the consolation prize for those who felt so jilted.

[moocow007]

carmeloanthony Carmelo Anthony
Let's Go 'Cuse nation. Real men bleed Orange
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Carmelo...real men also dont waver and let money keep them from their true hearts desire.

[moocow007]

Also tbqh you guys worry and panic to much. Be like me...balls of steel.










Please lord let Melo become a knick....i promise to be good and steer clear of all other farm animals.

[Clyde_Style]

Also tbqh you guys worry and panic to much. Be like me...balls of steel.










Please lord let Melo become a knick....i promise to be good and steer clear of all other farm animals.

It's true, I put Moocow's balls in my laundry dryer and my clothes come out wrinkle free after being bashed around by those heavy little orbs.

[kingmalaki]

Until someone gives Denver a better Melo rental offer than Walsh should sit back and do nothing. Bynum is not a better offer than Chandler, Brewer, 1st round pick and 20+ million in savings.

He is if you are trying to put the best team on the court. Centers are hard to find. SFs are not, especially not ones who can leave in the summer.

[moocow007]

Until someone gives Denver a better Melo rental offer than Walsh should sit back and do nothing. Bynum is not a better offer than Chandler, Brewer, 1st round pick and 20+ million in savings.

He is if you are trying to put the best team on the court. Centers are hard to find. SFs are not, especially not ones who can leave in the summer.

Bynum and "on the court" havent exactly gone hand and hand for years now.

[kingmalaki]

Until someone gives Denver a better Melo rental offer than Walsh should sit back and do nothing. Bynum is not a better offer than Chandler, Brewer, 1st round pick and 20+ million in savings.

He is if you are trying to put the best team on the court. Centers are hard to find. SFs are not, especially not ones who can leave in the summer.

Bynum and "on the court" havent exactly gone hand and hand for years now.

Agreed. But even then, I think most would prefer the pivot that can score over the SFs that can leave in the summer. 

[shrink]

I haven't done the salary cap math but what about a basic trade of:

TO MIN: Felton, Randolph, Curry, 2Rd Pick (from NYK)

TO DEN: Chandler, Brewer, Walker, 2011 1Rd Pick (from MIN), 2014 1Rd Pick (from NYK with conditions)

TO NYK: Melo, Billups, Harrington, Telfair

If the draft really is as week as people project it to be, I would not be surprised if they would do this trade...one thing stands in the way though - this year's pick is top 10 protected to LAC and next year's has no protection. I'm not sure I would do that trade.

Yeah I do, the draft is weak, but the top 5 prospects are worth more than randolph or felton. Way more. That would be a complete joke to take those two over guys like kyrie irving, jared sullinger, derrick williams, perry jones, enes kanter, terrence jones, etc. Randolph is about to be off his rookie deal, so he's no longer valuable, two teams have had him and got nothing out of him. And Felton, as much as Minnesota needs him (which is a joke after drafting rubio, flynn, signing sessions, and trading for ridnour), I still don't think Felton on a 1 1/2 year deal is worth a top 5-6 pick. Once again, my opinion.

Thank you. Why would MIN want Felton?

He's doing great for you, but if you felt you needed to trade him, at least move him to a team that could use him, and send that value to MIN.

Personally, I think you'd be better including a bench player with upside, versus the productive Felton. I love Billups, but he's getting up there in years.

[shrink]

Until someone gives Denver a better Melo rental offer than Walsh should sit back and do nothing. Bynum is not a better offer than Chandler, Brewer, 1st round pick and 20+ million in savings.

He is if you are trying to put the best team on the court. Centers are hard to find. SFs are not, especially not ones who can leave in the summer.

Bynum and "on the court" havent exactly gone hand and hand for years now.

LOL! True, but LAL may be able to convert Bynum into raw cap space from MIN, CLE, or SAC from a GM that wants to make a splash (please don't be Kahn .. please don't be Kahn).

[KnickScoop]

listen NYC taxes are crazy... the guy has put his heart on the line to let it be known he wants to be here... but signing here for 15M per year (in FA) instead of 18M per year is a big different when you consider the net diff it would be to post tax salary of 18M per year in another state/team... the guy is leveraging his way to the knicks but we have to give to get... he obv still wants his money... im tired of people taking for granted hes coming here no matter what... guarantee it happens dont predict it... make the deal Donnie... two of the three....

that gives us two top ten players
felton
fields
mozgov
and a first round pick this summer to build around....

get it done....

[moocow007]

He is if you are trying to put the best team on the court. Centers are hard to find. SFs are not, especially not ones who can leave in the summer.

Bynum and "on the court" havent exactly gone hand and hand for years now.

Agreed. But even then, I think most would prefer the pivot that can score over the SFs that can leave in the summer. 

But you wouldnt just ne getting Chandler. Brewer, the 1st and apparently also someone else and an exhorbitant amount of immediate cash savings also is gotten. Money doesnt matter to fans but it does for guys who get to save it and saving money in this type of scenario has been the senior Kroenkes MO (this from a Denver columnist).

As far as Chandler bolting? There are not a lot of teams that will have significant capspace. Of those that do, not everyone is going to be interested in Chandler. Of those that might be looking for a SF like Chandler, realize that two of Chandlers draft class contemporaries, both of whom are also SFs (Jeff Green and Thaddeus Young) will also be available as RFA signings...so the market can be limited quite a bit.

Also Chandler will get the opportunity to be the man over in Denver that he hasnt and never will be here si the situation there is actually better for him. So i wouldnt be too too worried that hell bolt. And eben then theres the very real possibility of a sign and trade where Denver flips Chandler to another team (like the Clippers who have come out and said they are looking at adding a more ready SF to the team as one of their priorities) in return for guys that might fit what they need (if Chandler himself turns out mot to be that guy).