[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[truth serum]

I just want to say that I’m not here to bash anybody, or to turn this into a Gallo vs. Chandler or Chandler vs. Melo debate. I’m here to talk about a flaw in our offense that’s painful to watch as games go by. Not one person on this team outside of Amare and Gallo (he’s shown at times his ability to get to the rack, but again he does this on an inconsistent basis) takes the ball to the hoop. It’s very frustrating that we do not put opposing teams in the penalty enough to get what should be a relatively easy 2 points. I think Chandler is a good ball player but it’s frustrating that he doesn’t get to the line and decides to settle for long jumpers or 3’s. When people on this forum talk about our team, they focus way too much on the regular season. What everyone needs to realize is that we are 51 games in, and the playoffs are going to come around sooner than we think, and playoff basketball is a whole other game. Teams really put the pressure on defensively and you need players to break down defenses in the half court set (I.E. create your own shot, or be enough of an offensive threat that you demand a double team).

I think this is where a guy like Melo would really be crucial in tough playoff games on the road when we play against very good teams. Honestly I know Melo is not perfect. He isn’t known for defense, never truly developed a consistent 3 point shot, and will sometimes shoot the ball too much even if he hasn’t developed an in game rhythm. At the end of the day, we need a premier wing player to be able to consistently get to the line 8-9 times a game (while taking pressure off Amare who always sees 2-3 defenders swarming him/clogging the paint). Truth be told I watch every single Knick game and often Clyde and Breen say “take it to the hoop,” when we are shooting dreadful from outside. (Tonight 6-23 from 3). But what nobody brings up or talks about is how when it comes down to it, we really don’t have the players to take those words and put them into action. I know some of you reading this that disagree can easily go to yahoo and look up the team stats and find that we are 9th in the league at free throw attempts per game but do you honestly feel that # is a fair assessment of our team? To me its looking past that and towards the grand scheme of things and realizing again, playoff basketball is a whole other atmosphere and teams will not let us prance up the court and drop an easy 107 points against them. Games become a total grind and turn into a half court set.

I agree. Good use of your first post.

[GONYK]

I just want to say that I’m not here to bash anybody, or to turn this into a Gallo vs. Chandler or Chandler vs. Melo debate. I’m here to talk about a flaw in our offense that’s painful to watch as games go by. Not one person on this team outside of Amare and Gallo (he’s shown at times his ability to get to the rack, but again he does this on an inconsistent basis) takes the ball to the hoop. It’s very frustrating that we do not put opposing teams in the penalty enough to get what should be a relatively easy 2 points. I think Chandler is a good ball player but it’s frustrating that he doesn’t get to the line and decides to settle for long jumpers or 3’s. When people on this forum talk about our team, they focus way too much on the regular season. What everyone needs to realize is that we are 51 games in, and the playoffs are going to come around sooner than we think, and playoff basketball is a whole other game. Teams really put the pressure on defensively and you need players to break down defenses in the half court set (I.E. create your own shot, or be enough of an offensive threat that you demand a double team).

I think this is where a guy like Melo would really be crucial in tough playoff games on the road when we play against very good teams. Honestly I know Melo is not perfect. He isn’t known for defense, never truly developed a consistent 3 point shot, and will sometimes shoot the ball too much even if he hasn’t developed an in game rhythm. At the end of the day, we need a premier wing player to be able to consistently get to the line 8-9 times a game (while taking pressure off Amare who always sees 2-3 defenders swarming him/clogging the paint). Truth be told I watch every single Knick game and often Clyde and Breen say “take it to the hoop,” when we are shooting dreadful from outside. (Tonight 6-23 from 3). But what nobody brings up or talks about is how when it comes down to it, we really don’t have the players to take those words and put them into action. I know some of you reading this that disagree can easily go to yahoo and look up the team stats and find that we are 9th in the league at free throw attempts per game but do you honestly feel that # is a fair assessment of our team? To me its looking past that and towards the grand scheme of things and realizing again, playoff basketball is a whole other atmosphere and teams will not let us prance up the court and drop an easy 107 points against them. Games become a total grind and turn into a half court set.

Good post. Outside of Amare and Gallo, we don't have any real scorers. Melo will certainly alleviate that.

[TrueWarrior]

Getting to the line is why I want to keep Gallo the most. With him, Amare, and Melo wed have the team in the penalty all game long. You're talking about 3 top 15 players in Free Throws Made/G (Melo 3rd, Amare 8th, Gallo 13th). Thats no joke. Plus theres no way Gallo continues to shoot this badly from the field. When he puts it together, and he will, we're talking about 3 potent offensive weapons.

[Justdatdude]

When Amare goes out the game our offense is painful to watch.

[NYMNYKFN10]

NEW YORK -- The New York Knicks still firmly believe that Carmelo Anthony will suit up for them this season or next. In fact, according to a source close to the pursuit, the Knicks still firmly believe that the hiring of Anthony will lead to the hiring of Chris Paul.

"Go back to the wedding toast," the source said.

Yes, the wedding toast. Who could ever forget that crazy midsummer night when Paul raised a glass at Anthony's wedding to the possibility of a Big Three in New York that would put Reed, Frazier and Monroe to shame (well, sort of)?

Amare Stoudemire, Anthony and Paul. "Nothing's really changed since that night," the source said. "The feeling is that Carmelo will be here this year, and Paul will be here in 2012."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6107433

[Justdatdude]

Getting to the line is why I want to keep Gallo the most. With him, Amare, and Melo wed have the team in the penalty all game long. You're talking about 3 top 15 players in Free Throws Made/G (Melo 3rd, Amare 8th, Gallo 13th). Thats no joke. Plus theres no way Gallo continues to shoot this badly from the field. When he puts it together, and he will, we're talking about 3 potent offensive weapons.

He's a career 42.5% shooter. What makes you think he'll shoot better? He has a ts% of 61. I think he's shooting pretty well. He's the small forward version of Billups.

[GONYK]

Getting to the line is why I want to keep Gallo the most. With him, Amare, and Melo wed have the team in the penalty all game long. You're talking about 3 top 15 players in Free Throws Made/G (Melo 3rd, Amare 8th, Gallo 13th). Thats no joke. Plus theres no way Gallo continues to shoot this badly from the field. When he puts it together, and he will, we're talking about 3 potent offensive weapons.

That's consistent points on the board, whether their jumpers are falling or not. And you can always have at least 1 or 2 in the game.

[Fury]

When he develops a mid range game he'll improve his FG%.

[truth serum]

Don't people understand how undermanned we'll be if we give up 2 of fields, chandler, gallo? some people actually want to give up ALL 3!
Just look how deep the Nuggets are and they are still average. I don't want to see a toney , douglas, shawne williams , bill walker bench rotation

+1

We can still trade for more people. If We get melo. We can Rest either star on the Bench. and always have either Amare or Melo on the Floor.

I'd rather not bank on being able to "trade for more people" with the very unimpressive assets that we'd have left. Without Gallo, Fields and Chandler...our next best player would be far and away Ray Felton. After that? It looks real grim. Nothing like a championship contender or a very good team at all. Having Melo and STAT is a nice thought, but the idea is to have a complete team around them. Giving up the guys we drafted with the sole purpose of surrounding our stars with quality players would be stupid. Hence, Donnie hasn't jumped the gun and traded them away.

When Donnie said he wasn't going to gut the team for one player, he meant those 3 guys (Gallo, Chandler, Fields). Those are the players who matter and the ones we need to keep (at least 2 of them) if we're going to compete with Melo or at the very least, trade for other pieces like you mentioned. But I'm talking about the kind of pieces guys like Douglas, Walker and Shawne Williams are not going to fetch. We don't have many draft picks in our pocket. Donnie is walking a fine line and we have to be frugal and calculated in our decisions. The idea that we should do "whatever it takes" to get Melo is juvenile.

[NYMNYKFN10]

NEW YORK -- The New York Knicks still firmly believe that Carmelo Anthony will suit up for them this season or next. In fact, according to a source close to the pursuit, the Knicks still firmly believe that the hiring of Anthony will lead to the hiring of Chris Paul.

"Go back to the wedding toast," the source said.

Yes, the wedding toast. Who could ever forget that crazy midsummer night when Paul raised a glass at Anthony's wedding to the possibility of a Big Three in New York that would put Reed, Frazier and Monroe to shame (well, sort of)?

Amare Stoudemire, Anthony and Paul. "Nothing's really changed since that night," the source said. "The feeling is that Carmelo will be here this year, and Paul will be here in 2012."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6107433

[Knicker23]

^^ good post. At this point, anyone who disagrees about Melo's offensive abilities I think are most likely letting their ulterior motives (such as their like for Knick player x or Knick player b) get in the way of calling him what he is. He can do it all - there isn't much else to say. Any team could use him, especially us... Kenny even went so far as to say that he's better than Durant because unlike Durant, Melo can bully you and back you down and go hard where as that ain't KD's style / ability.


As for the Nuggets, we've been saying " after this game, they gota make a move!' for a while now, so i'll restrain from saying that... but wow, they have 5 games left, 1 home game.... ffs...are they literally going to go down to the wire with this? Even the NBA TV analyists are saying 'this needs to end' - but then again, they've been saying it for weeks too......

I think Denver has reached the point where accepting a trade from us, regardless of who it is or how bad, - will be received by the fans as a 'finally...now lets move on' rather than a 'whatt??! we got them!?' ... and perhaps that is Denvers intent..... to drag this on and make it such a headache that by the time they actually pull the trigger everyone is just glad they did rather than bitching over who got who...

[TrueWarrior]

Getting to the line is why I want to keep Gallo the most. With him, Amare, and Melo wed have the team in the penalty all game long. You're talking about 3 top 15 players in Free Throws Made/G (Melo 3rd, Amare 8th, Gallo 13th). Thats no joke. Plus theres no way Gallo continues to shoot this badly from the field. When he puts it together, and he will, we're talking about 3 potent offensive weapons.

He's a career 42.5% shooter. What makes you think he'll shoot better? He has a ts% of 61. I think he's shooting pretty well. He's the small forward version of Billups.

A career ends at age 22? Sh*t you got me I guess.

[Th3Gr3at3st]

I'd still keep Fields above all 3. First year in the NBA and he's established himself as a great glue guy. Does anyone really doubt he won't get much better than he is now? He'll eventually get that 3 ball very consistent and will fit this team like a glove with Stat and Melo on the team.

[GONYK]

NEW YORK -- The New York Knicks still firmly believe that Carmelo Anthony will suit up for them this season or next. In fact, according to a source close to the pursuit, the Knicks still firmly believe that the hiring of Anthony will lead to the hiring of Chris Paul.

"Go back to the wedding toast," the source said.

Yes, the wedding toast. Who could ever forget that crazy midsummer night when Paul raised a glass at Anthony's wedding to the possibility of a Big Three in New York that would put Reed, Frazier and Monroe to shame (well, sort of)?

Amare Stoudemire, Anthony and Paul. "Nothing's really changed since that night," the source said. "The feeling is that Carmelo will be here this year, and Paul will be here in 2012."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6107433

The source is Amare's manager IMO

[TrueWarrior]

I'd still keep Fields above all 3. First year in the NBA and he's established himself as a great glue guy. Does anyone really doubt he won't get much better than he is now? He'll eventually get that 3 ball very consistent and will fit this team like a glove with Stat and Melo on the team.

Id rather keep both.

Gallo and Fields wont be going anywhere.

[Knick Swisher]

I just want to say that I’m not here to bash anybody, or to turn this into a Gallo vs. Chandler or Chandler vs. Melo debate. I’m here to talk about a flaw in our offense that’s painful to watch as games go by. Not one person on this team outside of Amare and Gallo (he’s shown at times his ability to get to the rack, but again he does this on an inconsistent basis) takes the ball to the hoop. It’s very frustrating that we do not put opposing teams in the penalty enough to get what should be a relatively easy 2 points. I think Chandler is a good ball player but it’s frustrating that he doesn’t get to the line and decides to settle for long jumpers or 3’s. When people on this forum talk about our team, they focus way too much on the regular season. What everyone needs to realize is that we are 51 games in, and the playoffs are going to come around sooner than we think, and playoff basketball is a whole other game. Teams really put the pressure on defensively and you need players to break down defenses in the half court set (I.E. create your own shot, or be enough of an offensive threat that you demand a double team).

I think this is where a guy like Melo would really be crucial in tough playoff games on the road when we play against very good teams. Honestly I know Melo is not perfect. He isn’t known for defense, never truly developed a consistent 3 point shot, and will sometimes shoot the ball too much even if he hasn’t developed an in game rhythm. At the end of the day, we need a premier wing player to be able to consistently get to the line 8-9 times a game (while taking pressure off Amare who always sees 2-3 defenders swarming him/clogging the paint). Truth be told I watch every single Knick game and often Clyde and Breen say “take it to the hoop,” when we are shooting dreadful from outside. (Tonight 6-23 from 3). But what nobody brings up or talks about is how when it comes down to it, we really don’t have the players to take those words and put them into action. I know some of you reading this that disagree can easily go to yahoo and look up the team stats and find that we are 9th in the league at free throw attempts per game but do you honestly feel that # is a fair assessment of our team? To me its looking past that and towards the grand scheme of things and realizing again, playoff basketball is a whole other atmosphere and teams will not let us prance up the court and drop an easy 107 points against them. Games become a total grind and turn into a half court set.

Quality first post man. I agree with what you're saying and I think everyone would agree that we've all wanted to see both Gallo and Will get to the rim more. It seems that Gallo is finally doing that, but Will not so much, even though he has the ability to.

[GONYK]

Not to bash Will, but I honestly don't understand how someone built like him, with his physical gifts, doesn't take it to the rack more.

[Knick Swisher]

Getting to the line is why I want to keep Gallo the most. With him, Amare, and Melo wed have the team in the penalty all game long. You're talking about 3 top 15 players in Free Throws Made/G (Melo 3rd, Amare 8th, Gallo 13th). Thats no joke. Plus theres no way Gallo continues to shoot this badly from the field. When he puts it together, and he will, we're talking about 3 potent offensive weapons.

couldn't agree more.

[Buttah304]

And I have to agree, having Melo, Amare, and Gallo wold be a nightmare for other teams because they wouldn't know who to double. But honestly, the deadline is only 2 weeks away, and I really do see us eventually caving (whether or not its pressure from Dolan to Walsh, or the media/daily newspapers) and giving up either Gallo or Fields. While I would hate to give up either (But for a shot at Melo I myself might cave in the 24th hour of trade talks) who would you rather see go between those too. What I am asking is who fits the bill of this team better for the long haul. A 6 '10 Gallo who can get to the line, knock down 3's, and at times show flashes of good defense, or Fields, the all out hustle player, who rebounds excellent for a SG and has shown the ability to knock down the 3, and ultimately be effective without the ball in his hands.

[Knick Swisher]

Not to bash Will, but I honestly don't understand how someone built like him, with his physical gifts, doesn't take it to the rack more.

I swear it's like he's afraid of the contact. Or maybe he's gunshy about drawing offensives like he used to do all of the time. IDK.