[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[cgf]

Getting to the line is why I want to keep Gallo the most. With him, Amare, and Melo wed have the team in the penalty all game long. You're talking about 3 top 15 players in Free Throws Made/G (Melo 3rd, Amare 8th, Gallo 13th). Thats no joke. Plus theres no way Gallo continues to shoot this badly from the field. When he puts it together, and he will, we're talking about 3 potent offensive weapons.

He's a career 42.5% shooter. What makes you think he'll shoot better? He has a ts% of 61. I think he's shooting pretty well. He's the small forward version of Billups.

A career ends at age 22? Sh*t you got me I guess.

You learn something new every day on this board...

[god shammgod]

well, we're not taking al it seems. walsh is talking about being a player in 2012.

[cgf]

And I have to agree, having Melo, Amare, and Gallo wold be a nightmare for other teams because they wouldn't know who to double. But honestly, the deadline is only 2 weeks away, and I really do see us eventually caving (whether or not its pressure from Dolan to Walsh, or the media/daily newspapers) and giving up either Gallo or Fields. While I would hate to give up either (But for a shot at Melo I myself might cave in the 24th hour of trade talks) who would you rather see go between those too. What I am asking is who fits the bill of this team better for the long haul. A 6 '10 Gallo who can get to the line, knock down 3's, and at times show flashes of good defense, or Fields, the all out hustle player, who rebounds excellent for a SG and has shown the ability to knock down the 3, and ultimately be effective without the ball in his hands.

I love Fields' fit at the 2, but I just think Gallo is the more talented player and rarer commodity. If he hits his potential and becomes a 6'10 Manu that's much more valuable for us than Fields hitting his upside of a slightly more offensively crafty Doug Christie. Personally I wouldn't give up either one. If they won't take the deal they can watch him leave in the summer. I'm done with the Nuggets until there's a viable other offer. Gallo may not be a starter with Melo and Stat here, but down the stretch all 3 would be on the field be it with Mozzie as Melo slides to the 2 or with stat at the 5 and melo the 4. That's an offensive trio that with Mozzie and Felton would be able to score tough buckets in the clutch once they've all really gelled. Fields would help our rebounding more but with Fields out there Felton would have to step into the 3rd option role where he's shown he can shoot us out of games. Plus I think Gallo, being the more offensively talented player and 6'10"+, would hold more valuable for future trades.

[Pharmcat]

well, we're not taking al it seems. walsh is talking about being a player in 2012.

wow thats a decent article

it seems to me ny is really banking on that toast

[TrueWarrior]

A healthy Paul or Deron is really the only way I see this team winning a title with Dantoni, since his system is more PG reliant than any system Ive ever seen. How wed get one of them IDK. Wed have to renounce everybody on the team to sign one amirite? Or if we keep Gallo and Fields in a Melo trade we could package them with Felton? Who knows. Im not going down that road. All Im saying is we need an MVP PG for SSOL to work, because Dantoni isnt adjusting. I dont think he knows any other way to coach.

EDIT: Dwight wouldnt be too bad either . Paul, Deron, and Dwight all fill much bigger needs for this team than Melo does, and are all much better players. Im not saying not go after Melo, but 2012 should def still be a priority.

[ComboGuardCity]

[Context]

Without naming names, Walsh said that the free agent class of 2012 -- Paul, Deron Williams, Dwight Howard -- is very much on his mind. "Yes it is," he said. "It would be one element that's in your thoughts."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6107433

[Fury]

Some of ya'll are playing Donnie for a fool. Carmelo ain't the end all be all. Which is why he'll continue to give them the same offer.

[Context]

A healthy Paul or Deron is really the only way I see this team winning a title with Dantoni, since his system is more PG reliant than any system Ive ever seen. How wed get one of them IDK. Wed have to renounce everybody on the team to sign one amirite? Or if we keep Gallo and Fields in a Melo trade we could package them with Felton? Who knows. Im not going down that road. All Im saying is we need an MVP PG for SSOL to work, because Dantoni isnt adjusting. I dont think he knows any other way to coach.

Look for Melo to take 2.5 million less... I think Felton is out of here. If he wants to stick around he better grow up over night. I'm really starting to think that this big three stuff might have some substance. Especially after Amare called the Miami three scared to come and play in NY.

[melostat]

well, we're not taking al it seems. walsh is talking about being a player in 2012.

what would happen to chris paul if we chose howard instead??LOL

[Gregory151]

Q: What happened on the last play?
A: I was calling for it, and then I saw him just take off. And I’m thinking he’s going to take it across halfcourt, get control of it and call a timeout. But it didn’t happen like that. But then I’m thinking why didn’t George (Karl) call a timeout, either? But there’s nothing we can do about it right now.

Q: Were you surprised that a timeout wasn’t called?
A: Even if we didn’t call a timeout we had a chance to set something up. We still had a chance to take a shot that we felt good with. To have seven or nine second left in the game, I feel pretty confident and that point in time with the ball in my hands to make something happen, whether it’s making the shot or drawing the double-team and let somebody else make the shot. I would have thought it would have went that way, but it didn’t.

Q: Did you scream for the ball?
A: Yeah. I wanted it. Especially in a game like this to be down, trailing nine or 10 points throughout the whole second half and then have a chance to not only tie the game up but have a chance to win the game.

Q: A good learning experience for Ty?
A: I think it wasn’t really so much Ty’s fault. He got the ball. I don’t want to say he panicked or whatever. He saw Nene in the corner. Nene took to the shot. So I don’t think it’s anything to do with any one individual.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/201 ... ords/2981/

[Context]

Warriors Have Inquired About Nene
Feb 09, 2011 15:08 PM EST

The Warriors have inquired with the Nuggets about Nene, according to multiple sources.

In order to complete the deal, Nene, a pending free agent, would have to agree to a contract extension with Golden State.

According to insiders, Golden State is unlikely to be successful in their pursuit of Nene or any other impact player prior to this month's trade deadline.

"We have to look at what we have," Warriors coach Keith Smart said. "We can't wish and hope for something we don't have."
Via San Jose Mercury News

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1DXNT17sk

[GONYK]

Q: What happened on the last play?
A: I was calling for it, and then I saw him just take off. And I’m thinking he’s going to take it across halfcourt, get control of it and call a timeout. But it didn’t happen like that. But then I’m thinking why didn’t George (Karl) call a timeout, either? But there’s nothing we can do about it right now.

Q: Were you surprised that a timeout wasn’t called?
A: Even if we didn’t call a timeout we had a chance to set something up. We still had a chance to take a shot that we felt good with. To have seven or nine second left in the game, I feel pretty confident and that point in time with the ball in my hands to make something happen, whether it’s making the shot or drawing the double-team and let somebody else make the shot. I would have thought it would have went that way, but it didn’t.

Q: Did you scream for the ball?
A: Yeah. I wanted it. Especially in a game like this to be down, trailing nine or 10 points throughout the whole second half and then have a chance to not only tie the game up but have a chance to win the game.

Q: A good learning experience for Ty?
A: I think it wasn’t really so much Ty’s fault. He got the ball. I don’t want to say he panicked or whatever. He saw Nene in the corner. Nene took to the shot. So I don’t think it’s anything to do with any one individual.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/201 ... ords/2981/

He pointed fingers at quite a few people in that one

[Jay10]

GONYK: "The source is Amare's manager IMO'

are you referring to this guy?

http://twitter.com/#!/loyaloneforlife/s ... 8162871368

[GONYK]

GONYK: "The source is Amare's manager IMO'

are you referring to this guy?

http://twitter.com/#!/loyaloneforlife/s ... 8162871368

LMAO

Yes, I believe that's the one

[Jay10]

GONYK: "The source is Amare's manager IMO'

are you referring to this guy?

http://twitter.com/#!/loyaloneforlife/s ... 8162871368

LMAO

Yes, I believe that's the one

he had the answer since july 9th. one can only imagine what he would've received if he were a reporter and broke the story about carmelo's destination.

lol

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Some of ya'll are playing Donnie for a fool. Carmelo ain't the end all be all. Which is why he'll continue to give them the same offer.

I agree but at the same time if Donnie's evaluation is tied to whether or not we get Melo and he slips through our fingers, Dolan will not be happy and will likely let him go. So yeah there are other needs but that's our opinion. To the guy with the opinion that matters in all this, it's sounding like Donnie won't get the opportunity for Plan B (or C, or D or whatever letter we're at with this stuff) if he doesn't pull this off. That's the unfortunate part and the part we should all be very afraid of.

Lebron was the surest thing when the Celtics were dismantling the Cav's last spring, it really felt like the stars were aligning and this dude chose Miami.
Not to stay home, hang w/Jay or bask in MJ's shadow....Miami. So there is no certainty this summer, lockout or not. If we fall out of the playoffs then what? God forbid we lose Amare for the year....would Melo want to come to an Amare-less Knick team from a weakening Western Conference for less money to boot? I ain't trying to be Debbie Downer and I believe if we lose Melo and Walsh has the opportunity he'll make the right decisions for the team but Dolan is such a wildcard that we have to pull off our two-max guy thing just to keep Isiah or even worse (if possible) away from the Garden.

[macman411]

A healthy Paul or Deron is really the only way I see this team winning a title with Dantoni, since his system is more PG reliant than any system Ive ever seen. How wed get one of them IDK. Wed have to renounce everybody on the team to sign one amirite? Or if we keep Gallo and Fields in a Melo trade we could package them with Felton? Who knows. Im not going down that road. All Im saying is we need an MVP PG for SSOL to work, because Dantoni isnt adjusting. I dont think he knows any other way to coach.

EDIT: Dwight wouldnt be too bad either . Paul, Deron, and Dwight all fill much bigger needs for this team than Melo does, and are all much better players. Im not saying not go after Melo, but 2012 should def still be a priority.

We all know your the number 1 Melo hater. give it a rest already. To say those 3 are all MUCH better players then then the most versatile and most clutch scorer in the league is a joke. First of all Deron Williams is not better then Melo. Your so quick to bring up whne Melo has a bad game. I watched D-Wil single handly cost his team the game tonight with 3 turnovers in the final minute. And to say Cp3 and Howard are better is very debatable. Howard is in his 7th year and still doesnt have a dominant post game and prolly never will and still cant make a free throw. Cp3 might be better but its close. If we added just Cp3 there is still no chance we're competing with Miami for a chip. If you dont think getting another dominant scorer is a not a huge need for the Knicks then you havnt been watching the games.

[melostat]

i believe donnie will up his offer at the deadline..its just that if he up his offer right now, there might be a chance that denver will ask for more so hes trying to remove that possibility if it would be at the deadline

[TrueWarrior]

A healthy Paul or Deron is really the only way I see this team winning a title with Dantoni, since his system is more PG reliant than any system Ive ever seen. How wed get one of them IDK. Wed have to renounce everybody on the team to sign one amirite? Or if we keep Gallo and Fields in a Melo trade we could package them with Felton? Who knows. Im not going down that road. All Im saying is we need an MVP PG for SSOL to work, because Dantoni isnt adjusting. I dont think he knows any other way to coach.

EDIT: Dwight wouldnt be too bad either . Paul, Deron, and Dwight all fill much bigger needs for this team than Melo does, and are all much better players. Im not saying not go after Melo, but 2012 should def still be a priority.

We all know your the number 1 Melo hater. give it a rest already. To say those 3 are all MUCH better players then then the most versatile and most clutch scorer in the league is a joke. First of all Deron Williams is not better then Melo. Your so quick to bring up whne Melo has a bad game. I watched D-Wil single handly cost his team the game tonight with 3 turnovers in the final minute. And to say Cp3 and Howard are better is very debatable. Howard is in his 7th year and still doesnt have a dominant post game and prolly never will and still cant make a free throw. Cp3 might be better but its close. If we added just Cp3 there is still no chance we're competing with Miami for a chip. If you dont think getting another dominant scorer is a not a huge need for the Knicks then you havnt been watching the games.

Haha who is this guy? Constantly attacking me. Relax brozilla. Where in my post did I say I didnt want Melo? Get off his nads! We should most def get him if the price is right. However Dwight would make us a great defensive team overnight and give us the best frontcourt in the NBA, maybe of all time. Deron/Paul would be the only PGs capable of running this system, unless you think Felton is doing a good job? Getting Melo is a no brainer though because 2012 is far from guaranteed, its just not even a question in my mind that those 3 are better than Melo, especially for this team. But hey maybe we'll form our own Big 3. Wouldnt that be dandy.