[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[macman411]

Q: What happened on the last play?
A: I was calling for it, and then I saw him just take off. And I’m thinking he’s going to take it across halfcourt, get control of it and call a timeout. But it didn’t happen like that. But then I’m thinking why didn’t George (Karl) call a timeout, either? But there’s nothing we can do about it right now.

Q: Were you surprised that a timeout wasn’t called?
A: Even if we didn’t call a timeout we had a chance to set something up. We still had a chance to take a shot that we felt good with. To have seven or nine second left in the game, I feel pretty confident and that point in time with the ball in my hands to make something happen, whether it’s making the shot or drawing the double-team and let somebody else make the shot. I would have thought it would have went that way, but it didn’t.

Q: Did you scream for the ball?
A: Yeah. I wanted it. Especially in a game like this to be down, trailing nine or 10 points throughout the whole second half and then have a chance to not only tie the game up but have a chance to win the game.

Q: A good learning experience for Ty?
A: I think it wasn’t really so much Ty’s fault. He got the ball. I don’t want to say he panicked or whatever. He saw Nene in the corner. Nene took to the shot. So I don’t think it’s anything to do with any one individual.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/201 ... ords/2981/

He pointed fingers at quite a few people in that one

He had every right to. Jr Smith has to be the dumbest player in the league. He had no idea what he was doing running up the court like a chicken with his head cut off while Melo is demanding the ball. As soon as Jr took off dribbling up the court Karl shoulda instantly called a timeout. Melo was definitly pist he slammed his headband down at halfcourt. To me it signified Melo and the nuggets no longer being a marriage.

[Context]

Walsh’s words

Knicks president Donnie Walsh didn’t talk specifically about Anthony or the Lakers’ report Wednesday, nor did he confirm that New York owner James L. Dolan contacted his Denver counterpart to take the lead in any Anthony talks.

"I have no idea about Denver or that kind of stuff," he said.

"The owner’s always involved. Every team in the league, the owner can be involved. I don’t understand the importance of that. It goes on every day."

Walsh also said when asked if he thought teams engage in "posturing" during trade talks (as has been suggested that the Lakers’ reported offer would prompt the Knicks to increase theirs for Anthony), "I don’t know what’s posturing and what’s real."

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_s ... pdate.html

[GONYK]

He had every right to. Jr Smith has to be the dumbest player in the league. He had no idea what he was doing running up the court like a chicken with his head cut off while Melo is demanding the ball. As soon as Jr took off dribbling up the court Karl shoulda instantly called a timeout. Melo was definitly pist he slammed his headband down at halfcourt. To me it signified Melo and the nuggets no longer being a marriage.

My thoughts exactly

[Knick4Real]

What the f*ck is a Carmelo?

It's Camelo

Edit: Thank you Pharmcatt

Actually, it's CARMELO with the R.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/carmelo_anthony/

[Jay10]

What the f*ck is a Carmelo?

It's Camelo

Edit: Thank you Pharmcatt

Actually, it's CARMELO with the R.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/carmelo_anthony/

it's written without the "r" purposely

[macman411]

A healthy Paul or Deron is really the only way I see this team winning a title with Dantoni, since his system is more PG reliant than any system Ive ever seen. How wed get one of them IDK. Wed have to renounce everybody on the team to sign one amirite? Or if we keep Gallo and Fields in a Melo trade we could package them with Felton? Who knows. Im not going down that road. All Im saying is we need an MVP PG for SSOL to work, because Dantoni isnt adjusting. I dont think he knows any other way to coach.

EDIT: Dwight wouldnt be too bad either . Paul, Deron, and Dwight all fill much bigger needs for this team than Melo does, and are all much better players. Im not saying not go after Melo, but 2012 should def still be a priority.

We all know your the number 1 Melo hater. give it a rest already. To say those 3 are all MUCH better players then then the most versatile and most clutch scorer in the league is a joke. First of all Deron Williams is not better then Melo. Your so quick to bring up whne Melo has a bad game. I watched D-Wil single handly cost his team the game tonight with 3 turnovers in the final minute. And to say Cp3 and Howard are better is very debatable. Howard is in his 7th year and still doesnt have a dominant post game and prolly never will and still cant make a free throw. Cp3 might be better but its close. If we added just Cp3 there is still no chance we're competing with Miami for a chip. If you dont think getting another dominant scorer is a not a huge need for the Knicks then you havnt been watching the games.

Haha who is this guy? Constantly attacking me. Relax brozilla. Where in my post did I say I didnt want Melo? Get off his nads! We should most def get him if the price is right. However Dwight would make us a great defensive team overnight and give us the best frontcourt in the NBA, maybe of all time. Deron/Paul would be the only PGs capable of running this system, unless you think Felton is doing a good job? Getting Melo is a no brainer though because 2012 is far from guaranteed, its just not even a question in my mind that those 3 are better than Melo, especially for this team. But hey maybe we'll form our own Big 3. Wouldnt that be dandy.

Im not trying to attack you. You just get me all worked up when i come home everynight and read how Melo is an overrated ineficient ball stopping losing player and how pist off your gonna be when he comes to the knicks and he shoots 42%- which is never gonna happen.

[GONYK]

What the f*ck is a Carmelo?

It's Camelo

Edit: Thank you Pharmcatt

Actually, it's CARMELO with the R.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/carmelo_anthony/

You actually aren't in on the joke

And you're wrong, it's Carmello

[aq_ua]

Carmelo is just stepping stone to get to Chris Paul.

That should be the new title.

[Context]

Carmelo is just stepping stone to get to Chris Paul.

That should be the new title.

“I hadn’t thought about that in a long time, that wedding” said Paul, who is represented by the same agent as Anthony, CAA's Leon Rose, after his team fell to the Nets, 103-101 in overtime.

Paul said he and Anthony talk frequently, but have not discussed their futures together.

“I’d just tell him to do whatever his heart tells him to do and keep hooping,” said Paul. “You only control what you can control. But he can’t control none of that stuff.”

Asked about where he thought Anthony would end up after the season, Paul said: “I don’t know. Your guess is as good as mine. You have to talk to the Denver front office. I have way too much stuff to be worry about. I have my own family and my own stuff going on to worry where Melo is headed.”

Earlier Wednesday, while talking to reporters after the Hornets’ morning shootaround, Paul said he believed the Knicks would become one of the Eastern Conference’s elite teams if they could land Anthony.

“No question. No question,” Paul, who finished with nine points, 11 assists, five rebounds and seven turnovers, told the New York Daily News on Wednesday morning. “You’re talking about probably the best scorer in the league [Anthony] going to a team with Amare and Raymond Felton.”

Ironically, Felton’s contract runs out in 2012-13, the same time Paul will become a free agent.

However, he was unwilling to discuss what his future holds.

“Right now, I’m trying to figure out how the Hornets are going to win a championship and how we’re going to beat the Orlando Magic [in our next game],” Paul said.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks ... -him-to-do

[Dr. Detfink]

So tired about this Chris Paul talk...let's worry about acquiring Melo first. Which case if Walsh doesn't get Melo, Dolan WILL get rid of him.

Again, every one talks this silliness about Walsh being so respected...apparently not respected by Lebron, Wade, or Bosh.

Players talk money and worship. They don't care about the GM or it's NY. Ask Lebron if he is missing NY endorsements in Miami? Nope!

Walsh seems to be suffering from Brian Cashman-itis. Players don't respect the past but their time. Making their money now.

So he better stop being cute with Landry Fields or Gallo cause neither is going to be an all-star in the forseeable future but Melo will.

[KG_Wolves]

I am still on the wait until summer bandwagon.

Why give up a penny when Denver's got ZERO leverage...

Wilson and a 1st or GTFO.

[Context]

"During the summer [he and Anthony] were talking, having fun. Guys just want to win and are trying to figure out any opportunity they have. People fail to realize it's less about the money and more about winning. Sometimes it's overlooked those [Miami] guys gave up a lot of money to play together on one team."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/don ... z1DXmfAezL

[Context]

On the same day Carmelo Anthony said he'd consider signing a contract extension with the Denver Nuggets if they don't trade him, Timberwolves basketball boss David Kahn called his team's reported part in a three-way deal with Denver and New York involving Anthony "overstated."

Translated, that means an ESPN report last weekend that the Wolves would send a first-round pick and Corey Brewer to Denver to receive Knicks little-used forward Anthony Randolph and accept Eddy Curry's huge, expiring contract is too much to give.

"We were asked if there would be a way to participate in the event the other two teams could reach a deal and there likely could be," he said.

He also said he doesn't have any idea whether the Knicks and Nuggets can strike a deal for the All-Star forward,

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/115685709.html


David Kahn expects to make a trade before the Feb. 24th deadline, but expects it to be small.

He also stated that Corey Brewer is not being actively shopped.

"Because Corey is in the last year of his deal and because many people like Corey's ability and upside, we receive a lot of calls on him," Kahn said. "We also have a team that's very deep at his position. It's important we listen and weigh what's the appropriate decision for the ballclub.

"Players are not like cars in a garage. You can't keep accumulating cars, you can only have so many of them. There's a balance act there and at the wing position; we're probably too heavy there."
Via Star Tribune

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1DXojEywj

[czoneny]

tasty chocolate and i dont mean lala

[DaRooster8]

I'm ready to move Gallinari in a deal. Solid player...but im calling him Wally G. Wally Sczerbiak. I want to keep Fields. Move Wally G and Chandler, Randolph (or pick) cash savings for them..future pick, for Anthony. I'm done with Gallo man. This guy is too up and down for me. 3-13? I thought you were a sharp shooter. I'm not calling for him to be moved, i'm just saying in a Melo deal he is open to be dealt.

[Context]

I'm ready to move Gallinari in a deal. Solid player...but im calling him Wally G. Wally Sczerbiak. I want to keep Fields. Move Wally G and Chandler, Randolph (or pick) cash savings for them..future pick, for Anthony. I'm done with Gallo man. This guy is too up and down for me. 3-13? I thought you were a sharp shooter. I'm not calling for him to be moved, i'm just saying in a Melo deal he is open to be dealt.

We won't have to- Kroenke will not allow 23 million to be flushed down the toilet before the deadline.

[GONYK]

I'm ready to move Gallinari in a deal. Solid player...but im calling him Wally G. Wally Sczerbiak. I want to keep Fields. Move Wally G and Chandler, Randolph (or pick) cash savings for them..future pick, for Anthony. I'm done with Gallo man. This guy is too up and down for me. 3-13? I thought you were a sharp shooter. I'm not calling for him to be moved, i'm just saying in a Melo deal he is open to be dealt.

That is a good comparison, as long as you don't mind that they are nothing alike as a player.

Wally World averaged 3 FT's per game during his career.

Gallo right now is averaging 6.

Gallo is still putting consistent points on the board, even when he has a poor shooting night. You could never say the same about Wally.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I'm ready to move Gallinari in a deal. Solid player...but im calling him Wally G. Wally Sczerbiak. I want to keep Fields. Move Wally G and Chandler, Randolph (or pick) cash savings for them..future pick, for Anthony. I'm done with Gallo man. This guy is too up and down for me. 3-13? I thought you were a sharp shooter. I'm not calling for him to be moved, i'm just saying in a Melo deal he is open to be dealt.

OK but what if this morning Donnie calls Uriji and say he can have Wilson (rfa), Gallo and Fields?
Uriji leaks it to the media.

Houston says we are dangling Brooks, Lee, Hill, TWill and Yao's expiring contract....
Chicago sends Asik and a draft pick for say, Lee and Hill. Sacto has a love affair with Aaron Brooks.
Denver wants big men with upside. Sacto doesn't view Jason Thompson as their big of the future so they offer him for Brooks...

They (Houston) can send our 2012 pick, Jason Thompson, Twill and another pick to Denver. I truly believe our offer trumps that on the court but from a PR point of view, not caving into Melo's demand to be a Knick is a small but definite victory. Houston could trade all that all away and and still have enough assets left to not be considered bare bones in terms of the present or future. And a Scola/Melo/Martin/Lowry core would be dangerous...if they moved a very movable Shane Battier they could replenish the decks with a solid player or two to deepen the rotation. What stops Houston from being a really comfortable and desirable destination for Melo long term?

The incentive and desire is all there. Melo may figure staying there isn't the worst thing in the world. Chi wants C.Lee. Sacto want Brooks. Denver wants a young big, a prospect or two with some draft picks. Houston wants a chance to court Melo. Nobody wants to see us prosper and will pony up a quality offer if for nothing more than NYC spite. And Melo wants his money.

I say that to say if Donnie has to offer up all three (yup, I said it), I absolutely think he will but he will not do that until he has no choice not to. On the deadline, when every suitor has been contacted, floated and by then exhausted, then and only then will Donnie haggle to get Melo here, I'm sure before Uriji's anytime minutes run out. As long as the opportunity is there to counter after the last name has appeared with an offer, then we will do all we can minus trading Amare to get our "two-MAX" plan on. Maybe, despite these dizzying reports, the time to show our best hand is not now. It's in two weeks. Just a thought. A longshot maybe. Totally out of the question? Hell to the naw. We have no choice but to sit back and trust Donnie is aware of the landscape of today's NBA and the organization known as the New York Knickerbockers and the man he works for.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I like the players we have. I'm not saying we're a great team. But we have the core of guys to go forward that could be part of a very good team. The fact we could do something right now is because we have the ability to do that because our cap is lower."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/a ... z1DY4oANdA

This statement intrigues me. It almost suggest that there IS a deal to be made somehow here but it must be a fiscally responsible one. Not a deal to put on the table right now unless we have to. A deal that seals the whole thing, not one to sit on. And perhaps one heavy on all or most of our young farm being shipped out for an expensive player...which we (thanks to Donnie, his signings, trades and drafting) have the room to acquire and absorb if that's what it's gonna take. Maybe that's all it is. And maybe he wants the opportunity to not have to overspend. Because what if the Nuggets just move him to a team that we know he won't sign with? What if no "threat" team steps up out of fear he'll just bolt for Broadway this summer? Then we'd have given up quality players (and/or taken on bad contracts) for nothing. If the gun is to our head and we have the opportunity to trump an offer for Melo (by a team we know he will re-sign with), I can't see Walsh, super-patience and all passing that up. IF the opportunity is guaranteed to be there (Hello? Dolan's call yesterday) to beat it, that is.

Let's think about it: if there was really a deal for Favors and all those picks, it would have been done. Bynum, same thing. He is all of 23 and if healthy is one of the best big men in the world already, injury history and all. So Denver is clearly posturing. On the night of the deadline the bs stops and Denver will let the world know what it is. What leverage do they have then? Keep him 'til the summer and either he opts out or they get slim returns in a sign-and-trade. If there is a better offer out there for Melo that he'd accept..a REAL deal, or even a quality rental one, why hasn't it been made yet? Because he has already made it clear: New York, now or this summer.

I kinda took his statement about maybe accepting the extension as a way of saying "trade me because you guys know you wanna rebuild and if I sign you aren't spiting me, you'll be spiting yourselves because you value the savings and the opportunity to build a newer, younger roster. That's no secret (it's been said as much publicly). If I take the deal you'll be looking to get out from under that deal by 2012...and by then it'll be harder because I have this huge number attached to my name under a new CBA in a different NBA than this year's NBA...maybe not as trade-friendly. So y'all wanna call my bluff about this money? Imma call y'all bluff about this money."

Who in their right mind wants to give a guy 30% of their cap, knowing his heart is totally not there and he's only there to collect a check? The team and the fans are apathetic and numb at this point. It's impossible to get behind that team. Dude is getting booed in his own building like he's Isiah Thomas.

[Context]

In Donnie I trust. We are benefiting from 20+ years of him being at this very same deadline...