Greg Miller - Was he the true cause of Sloan's Departure?

[finnegan]

I once saw a study on "Children of Successful Entreprenuers". According to the study there is something like a 5% chance of a child to either maintain the level of success achieved by their father and/or expand upon it. According to the the same study, a business that is passed down to a third generation or grandchild almost has no chance of either mantianing the same level of success and/or expanding upon the success achieved by the grandfather. So the third generation generally just milks whatever is left until it is dead.

The theory is that the child and grandchild did not develop the same level of discipline and sound judgement that their father did as he went through the ups and downs of building the business. The child or grandchild were usually raised with a life of ease, and did little to exert and improve themselves either academically or professionally.

Despite the lack of skill and experience, the second and thrid generation are often overly confident and start making poor decision from the very beginning, right after taking over the reins.

My geuss is that this was at the core of the Sloan situation.

[Fido]

You obviously didn't listen to Greg Miller's interview with David Locke after the press conference. He said explicitly that no player will ever push out any coach in any organization he runs. He and the organization stand firmly behind the coach because players come and go.

That sounds more like Larry than the spoiled brat/idiot you want to paint him as.

[Lava Rock Kid]

Finnegan may be right. Do we really believe every word that came out of the millers mouths? I just dont believe Jerry and Phil would both quit simultaneously mid season unless their is something going on behind the scenes. Now all are professional and wont let it out to avoid hurting the franchise,

[DelaneyRudd]

The main problem I see with society today is that we invent our facts based on what ever it is we choose to believe.

[finnegan]

You obviously didn't listen to Greg Miller's interview with David Locke after the press conference. He said explicitly that no player will ever push out any coach in any organization he runs. He and the organization stand firmly behind the coach because players come and go.

That sounds more like Larry than the spoiled brat/idiot you want to paint him as.

You are one of the posters that I respect most in the entire forum.

But how can you possibly believe your own words, after what Deron got away with in Chicago. He should have been suspended for 2-5 games immediately afterward.

So much for Greg's tough talk! He didn't have the courage to stand up to Deron, because the finger would point back at this incident if Deron ever pulled a LeBron.

I am not saying it was an easy decision for anybody in Greg's shoes, but these kind of incidents build over time, and Greg clearly failed to prevent it from escalating long ago.

[cougarfan]

Greg and Jerry hugged after the press conference. Jerry and KOC kind of just nodded at eachother. Might not be anything, but it sure seemed odd.

[carrottop12]

Sloan didn't thank KOC either when he was on the Mic. He thanked the Millers, and Frank Layden, and Phil, but he didn't mention KOC at all.

[finnegan]

The main problem I see with society today is that we invent our facts based on what ever it is we choose to believe.

That is actually a pretty cool quote. Did you make it up?

I might have to use it someday, but I don't think that it applies in this situaiton.

It is clear that Sloan felt undermined by the front office, and felt they were listening to Deron's whining, more than Sloan's demand for proper discipline.

[finnegan]

Sloan didn't thank KOC either when he was on the Mic. He thanked the Millers, and Frank Layden, and Phil, but he didn't mention KOC at all.

Hmmmmmm. Interesting.

But could OConnor really be that powerful, to ignore Greg?

[seejaydeja]

The main problem I see with society today is that we invent our facts based on what ever it is we choose to believe.

It is clear that Sloan felt undermined by the front office, and was listening to Deron's whining, more than Sloan's demand for proper discipline.

I have a hard time seeing how anything that is in direct opposition of everything that the organization and Sloan himself has said is "clear"

[DelaneyRudd]

I think I made it up. It may have roots in something I heard before.

I think KOC probably had the most to do with this. I don't think it's a good thing, and I don't like the timing, but it's something that happens in pro-sports. We are not a championship team, this is something that probably won't change that but since it's the reality now I will hope it does.

[finnegan]

Does Sloan report to OConnor, and straight to Miller?

I may be wrong, and maybe it was OConnor, because Sloan is not the type of guy to try and circumvent his supervisor. And maybe Greg is not the type to step in when one of his subordinates is screwing up.

[seejaydeja]

I think I made it up. It may have roots in something I heard before.

**** sad that 70% the posts on this board are summed up by this now.

[DelaneyRudd]

Well, it's a normal part of cognitive dissonance I suppose.

[finnegan]

Well, it's a normal part of cognitive dissonance I suppose.

Wow. What a smart guy. You should be a writer. Or maybe you already are.

[LjJazzman]

I live in the shadow of a very successful grandfather and father. The best thing to do is keep you mouth shut until you have proven yourself to everyone in the company, and thats exactly what Greg is doing. I thought his speech was very good during the press conference and I really believe he wanted and tried to get Jerry to stay.

[finnegan]

Mr. LJ is another respected poster, so will take a wait and see approach, knowing that my assessment of Greg may be wrong.

I'm just bitter that they no longer show Jazz games on KJZZ, and I assume that Greg had a lot to do with that decision, as it seemed to be purely monetary and short sighted IMHO.

[StocktonShorts]

I'm just bitter that they no longer show Jazz games on KJZZ, and I assume that Greg had a lot to do with that decision, as it seemed to be purely monetary and short sighted IMHO.

Stupid CEOs, they're always making business decisions.

[hoops4life]

Mr. LJ is another respected poster, so will take a wait and see approach, knowing that my assessment of Greg may be wrong.

I'm just bitter that they no longer show Jazz games on KJZZ, and I assume that Greg had a lot to do with that decision, as it seemed to be purely monetary and short sighted IMHO.

That is the way of business and sports... why give something away for free when people will pay big money for it?

Look at the NFL and Monday night football. They sold their rights to ESPN, so did the BCS. They both knew that some people would miss out on it but ESPN put up the most money.

[finnegan]

I love your sig HAPPY. Especially now that I kinda hate Deron.

There are decisions that result in long term value, and there are decisions that result only in short term value.

When Professional boxing went with only pay-per-view, they made more money in the short term, but became more irrelevant in the long term. My geuss is that they have a fraction of the number of fans now. It opened the door from MMA, etc..

Look at google. They give away almost everything for free, and "Ad Words" more than makes up for it. You can 't always measure the benefit to the Jazz, by how much you are losing by not playing an episode of "Freinds."

I don't know the numbers, but my geuss is that the single largest segment of Jazz fans watched the games on KJZZ. Over a 5-10 year period their interest will diminish.