[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[GONYK]

The truth of the matter is this folks. If we did get carmelo, any player we dont lose in the process will be dangled to the hornets. Or flat out renounced for paul. Dont get attached.

The truth of the matter is, until Paul is in the position to make demands like Melo, we need players who can play and contribute, because Melo, Amare, and scraps are not getting us past Miami and Boston.

[czoneny]

The truth of the matter is this folks. If we did get carmelo, any player we dont lose in the process will be dangled to the hornets. Or flat out renounced for paul. Dont get attached.

oh man that would be my dream (doubt it would happen this way). Chandler/Fields/AR to DEN/MIN
Gallo/Felton/1st rounder to NOR

our roster would be pretty bare after that but Melo/Cp3/Amare could probably beat the NEts 3v5

[Knicker23]

Hey that's why Donnie gets paid the big bucks... I hope 2 weeks from now we land Melo for AR Curry Chandler and a pick and I can look back and think "ha! that's why i shouldn't be a gm! i'd have given up Fields too"... But at the end of the day, I think it's starting to look clear that Dolan hasn't picked up that option until he sees how our situation is looking come Feb 25th.

[GONYK]

In Donnie I trust

[mugzi]

Fair enough. I did read a little into your comment but now that u clarified yourself I agree with what your saying. I actually do agree with you. It seems its almost impossible here to debate Gallo objectively. I dont know if its cause he's a Euro, or a finesse big man, or cause he's white or cause Knick fans over analyze their players, or none of the above. And Im not trying to make this a racial thing cause I hate when anyone brings up race about anything period. To me thats a cop out and a default argument when people have lost an argument they fallback on race. But I digress, I just see justdatdude as being a Gallo hater. Hes on record and bottom line no matter what Gallo does he will find fault with him in my opinion. Which is fine I just dont like him being clandestine about it.

I think we have a solid starter/6th man with Gallo and hes young with room to improve. By the time hes 28 he can easily fill out and be a Dirkesque PF if he works on his rebounding and mid range game which is not to much to ask of a player of his caliber at this stage of his career.

Really man, what I honestly think the reason is, its that gallo was our first major lotto pick in a loooooooong time. The first pick we made in the lottery that was going to be our guy. And the first pick this current set of coaches/execs made. I really think thats what it is man.

Ewing in 85. Walker in 86. And then you jump to sweets in 03.

I got attached to picks in the past. They all got dealt, or never panned out to anything. Then we went a long time after the Wallace Mcarty year where we just never really drafted. When we dealt our lotto pick (nene) for dice, it was the icing on the cake for me. Never get attached to a knicks draft pick, unless its the sure fire real deal.

Thats what the knicks do. We buy big name players with smaller assets using our ability to take on any salary no matter how great or how long the contract. When you have a GM that knows what he is doing, its a great thing. Unfortunately our last 2 GM's didnt know what they where doing.

You just exposed your age, I know u gotta be in your 30s at least, like me. LOL. Sky Walker I havent thought about him in years. What a waste of a draft pick. All that guy could do well was jump.

I agree wholeheartedly with the GM philosophy, from Bianchi to Checketts to Layden to Isiah we havent exactly had stellar leadership. It seems like we went with names more than brains.

The funny thing is I think back to when we made the Dice trade, I was on this board even back then. I hated the trade from the moment it was made because I didnt trust Dices knees and I was right. It wouldnt of mattered to me so much if it was the pick str8 up but the fact that we traded the pick and a solid big in Camby pyssed me off. But whats done is done. I remember a few posters on the board that arent here anymore wanted STAT b4 the draft- NYNEX, The Voice.... I didnt have an opinion on him cuz I didnt know anything about him, but I blame that on our scouting dept.

Can u imagine if we drafted Amare???? Shyt man, this franchise wouldve at least had a few more playoff births in the 00s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kane2021]

The truth of the matter is this folks. If we did get carmelo, any player we dont lose in the process will be dangled to the hornets. Or flat out renounced for paul. Dont get attached.

The truth of the matter is, until Paul is in the position to make demands like Melo, we need players who can play and contribute, because Melo, Amare, and scraps are not getting us past Miami and Boston.

Of course. That business, and thats in the future. But for right now, you hold onto what ever you can to keep a competitive balanced team. You know as well as I know there is a fine line to walk between the business behind the scenes, and the product on the floor.

If its trade, or free agency, we get this dude, we go from bottom 4 to top 4. That fast. We still might not beat boston and miami. But we duff atlanta. We take CHI. And probably Orlando too.

Walsh is gunning for the top. He builds teams, to beat teams. That was his vision in Indy. Not just stock pile building. But moves with motives. I cant wait untill he is freed from the restraints of cap space.

[kane2021]

Fair enough. I did read a little into your comment but now that u clarified yourself I agree with what your saying. I actually do agree with you. It seems its almost impossible here to debate Gallo objectively. I dont know if its cause he's a Euro, or a finesse big man, or cause he's white or cause Knick fans over analyze their players, or none of the above. And Im not trying to make this a racial thing cause I hate when anyone brings up race about anything period. To me thats a cop out and a default argument when people have lost an argument they fallback on race. But I digress, I just see justdatdude as being a Gallo hater. Hes on record and bottom line no matter what Gallo does he will find fault with him in my opinion. Which is fine I just dont like him being clandestine about it.

I think we have a solid starter/6th man with Gallo and hes young with room to improve. By the time hes 28 he can easily fill out and be a Dirkesque PF if he works on his rebounding and mid range game which is not to much to ask of a player of his caliber at this stage of his career.

Really man, what I honestly think the reason is, its that gallo was our first major lotto pick in a loooooooong time. The first pick we made in the lottery that was going to be our guy. And the first pick this current set of coaches/execs made. I really think thats what it is man.

Ewing in 85. Walker in 86. And then you jump to sweets in 03.

I got attached to picks in the past. They all got dealt, or never panned out to anything. Then we went a long time after the Wallace Mcarty year where we just never really drafted. When we dealt our lotto pick (nene) for dice, it was the icing on the cake for me. Never get attached to a knicks draft pick, unless its the sure fire real deal.

Thats what the knicks do. We buy big name players with smaller assets using our ability to take on any salary no matter how great or how long the contract. When you have a GM that knows what he is doing, its a great thing. Unfortunately our last 2 GM's didnt know what they where doing.

You just exposed your age, I know u gotta be in your 30s at least, like me. LOL. Sky Walker I havent thought about him in years. What a waste of a draft pick. All that guy could do well was jump.

I agree wholeheartedly with the GM philosophy, from Bianchi to Checketts to Layden to Isiah we havent exactly had stellar leadership. It seems like we went with names more than brains.

The funny thing is I think back to when we made the Dice trade, I was on this board even back then. I hated the trade from the moment it was made because I didnt trust Dices knees and I was right. It wouldnt of mattered to me so much if it was the pick str8 up but the fact that we traded the pick and a solid big in Camby pyssed me off. But whats done is done. I remember a few posters on the board that arent here anymore wanted STAT b4 the draft- NYNEX, The Voice.... I didnt have an opinion on him cuz I didnt know anything about him, but I blame that on our scouting dept.

Can u imagine if we drafted Amare???? Shyt man, this franchise wouldve at least had a few more playoff births in the 00s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah man. Im up there in age a little. Old enough to remember that turning 31 hurts more than turning 30. Young enough to know 40 aint the end of the world.

That draft I got SO into. I had a note book. Did all my own scouting and research. Had me a little draft chart. I didnt expect Nene to be on the board. Amare had some personal issues that scared people off along with his age being right out of HS. At that time HS players didnt get drafted all that high. Amare was actually the ONE. The one that showed GM's a kid out of HS could burst onto the scene and put up serious numbers. Amare opened the flood gates after that draft.

Had it not been for the fact we had so many wings, I really wanted butler. Again, I didnt think Nene would be on the board, so I had wilcox as our pick.

Sad thing is Jeffries was laydens pick. He said it after the draft. But he had the deal set up with denver and denver told layden to take Nene. And the details were finalized shortly after the pick. Ironic, we ended up with the guy I picked, the guy layden picked, and now the guy who is the best active player from that draft.

[mugzi]

Right on. Im 33 myself, so Im guessing you're pretty close in age to me. Man what an fn dummy Lamedn was, Jeffries wouldve been our pick, wow. I guess a 6'10 big with no jumper was appealing to him. Oh not to mention Jeffries has never had a semblance of a post game, what was Lameden thinking?!


I guess it doesnt take a genius to be a gm. LOL.

Oh and I dont blame u for Wilcox. I liked him to coming out of Maryland. He looked like a beast coming out of college, but he had the work ethic of a bum and still does. That year if I had a gun to my head I wouldve taken NENE with that pick and STAT if NENE wasnt available. Wilcox was 3rd on my board.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Walsh has kept Gallinari, Fields and Felton off the table, though Fields is the likeliest pawn to be thrown in.
Anthony's stunning remarks Wednesday about taking "a hard look" at Denver's contract extension could be a ploy to get Walsh to ante up and not wait until free agency. It is an enormous debate within the Knicks on whether Walsh has to give up significant assets beyond Chandler and Anthony Randolph, since he may be able to acquire Anthony in the summer as a free agent, using max cap room.
There's also a quarrel over whether the money is better spent on a beastly free-agent center that Walsh craves -- and there's a slew Walsh likes.
A person familiar with the situation said Anthony recently was concerned about testing the free-agent market, wondering if the Knicks were guaranteed to go after him.
That fear arose after a Post story in which Walsh was quoted as saying he'd definitely re-sign Chandler and that he may target centers in free agency. During that time, Anthony made that comment about not being sure the Knicks wanted to break up their team "from what I've read."


The newest rumor is the Nuggets want Felton, and the Knicks would take aging Chauncey Billups -- a scenario Knicks president Donnie Walsh wants no part of.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/m ... z1DdnUu5XG

[F N 11]

That pic from the post is crazy ...

[ezmoney707]

^^^ Wilson's looking at D'Antoni like you dirty m'fer

[duetta]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... _knic.html

[GotItNow]

Still loling at people who think giving up 2/3 is too much.

i think the discussion needs to switch from how much is too much to which 2 of the 3 would give up (b/c thats whats fair, enough of these lowball offers )

I mean, that LAL radio guy on first and 10 hit on the head the other day, this is carmelo anthony, not a bag of chips[/quote]

Well sheeeet, thar's a smart guy right thar. Here we thought we was tradin fer a bag-o-chips.

[GotItNow]

Gallo has more value to this team (MDA) while Fields is the better fit as he, Melo and Amare are a more traditional 2, 3 and 4. Wilson may be the best all-around talent of the 3 but his RFA status makes him the easiest expendable. If we get back Free Candy then Gallo's role is as the dude waiting behind the three point line. By way of default, as much as I love his talent and swag, Gallo is the odd man out.

LOL, there's no way Wilson is the best talent. LMFAO, c'mon now. That's just ridiculous.

[GotItNow]

Lets be totaly honest about gallo he is a good player but he is not a player who is ever going to be at elite level or a all star player. If or when carmelo comes here what postion will gallo play because he can't play shooting guard and he defiently can't play power foward. There is no room for him to be on this team i know its hard for people accept the fact you might have to loose a gallo but this carmelo its once life time type player.

We cant be honest about gallo here on this board. Its not allowed. You can try. But self proclaimed geniuses will break out complex mathematical formulas to support their argument. Then make fun of you and tell you that you are not smart enough to understand.

Exactly. But a select few still try.

The anti-geniuses. The select few. Too funny.

[Subway Token]

Gallo has more value to this team (MDA) while Fields is the better fit as he, Melo and Amare are a more traditional 2, 3 and 4. Wilson may be the best all-around talent of the 3 but his RFA status makes him the easiest expendable. If we get back Free Candy then Gallo's role is as the dude waiting behind the three point line. By way of default, as much as I love his talent and swag, Gallo is the odd man out.

LOL, there's no way Wilson is the best talent. LMFAO, c'mon now. That's just ridiculous.

Chandler is a better defender by a pretty huge margin, and is equal or better as an offensive player. The only way the scales tip in Gallinari's favor are BBIQ.

[alphad0gz]

The truth of the matter is this folks. If we did get carmelo, any player we dont lose in the process will be dangled to the hornets. Or flat out renounced for paul. Dont get attached.

Yeah...but you have to have those players here to either trade them or renounce them. Having as many of them here and signed for realistic contracts is the best way to preserve flexibility. We would still have to salary match or open up a max slot. Trading for that third guy is the way to go at it.

That being said, I am not a proponent of the "three Max" deal. I don't think the right three are available. James and Wade turned out to be a perfect match. Amar'e and Melo? I can't see that.

[alphad0gz]

Chandler is a better defender by a pretty huge margin, and is equal or better as an offensive player.

That is just flat out wrong on every single point. How is possible that anyone still thinks this?

[moocow007]

^^^ Wilson's looking at D'Antoni like you dirty m'fer

D'Antoni to Chandler..."i can make your life miserable here, so be a man, stop moping so we can trade your ass."

[bigfnjoe96]

The longer this plays out, the more likely this is gonna blow up in our face. Unless Dolan & Kroenke have made a deal already & there just letting this play out til the dead line