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[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#761 » by Jitpal » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:05 pm

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Jitpal wrote:Max Kellerman is going to be on 1050 at 10:30. I know that has nothing to do with Melo, but he's good.

Ok now onto Knicks related stuff from Bucher:
- Bucher says the game last time influenced the Melo talks. Didn't specify but sounded like they were out.
- Bucher saying the Knicks matter and a lock to make the playoffs.


what game ? lakers ? who's out ?

the knicks matter ? to who, i'm missing something here.

Sorry, should be more clear. Bucher was talking about the Celtics/Lakers game and mentioned how Bynum's size was huge for the game. As well as Phil Jackson was wondering if the team had that extra gear for the playoffs where he felt they could win. So the team wouldn't be looking to do moves for the future in adding a superstar for the future in Melo. That's what I took from his comments.

Bucher said the Knicks were a good enough team to matter and being one game over .500 means they are a lock for the playoffs. -Jitpal
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#762 » by god shammgod » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:06 pm

Jitpal wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Jitpal wrote:Max Kellerman is going to be on 1050 at 10:30. I know that has nothing to do with Melo, but he's good.

Ok now onto Knicks related stuff from Bucher:
- Bucher says the game last time influenced the Melo talks. Didn't specify but sounded like they were out.
- Bucher saying the Knicks matter and a lock to make the playoffs.


what game ? lakers ? who's out ?

the knicks matter ? to who, i'm missing something here.

Sorry, should be more clear. Bucher was talking about the Celtics/Lakers game and mentioned how Bynum's size was huge for the game. As well as Phil Jackson was wondering if the team had that extra gear for the playoffs where he felt they could win. So the team wouldn't be looking to do moves for the future in adding a superstar for the future in Melo. That's what I took from his comments.

Bucher said the Knicks were a good enough team to matter and being one game over .500 means they are a lock for the playoffs. -Jitpal


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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#763 » by knicks742 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:08 pm

Clearly Bucher hasn't been watching Knicks games. The only lock about the Knicks is that they are going to make me go gray prematurely.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#764 » by I_Love_NYK » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:11 pm

I think the 7th and 8th seeds will make the playoffs with a record under .500 and that's why Bucher said the Knicks are a lock for the playoffs. The Knicks will probably finish with 42 or 43 wins and get knocked out int he first round in 4 or 5 games, unless they make a trade for Melo.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - "Same Sh*t, Different Day" 

Post#765 » by K_ick_God » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:12 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:Melo really has poor lift around the rim. That continues to concern me greatly.

Also the more I think about this and take stock of it, the more I think that Denver is just going to keep Melo unless he will agree to go to the Nyets. They can always revisit a trade right before June 30 (a day before the lockout).



KS don't forget if they are going to "trade him" whether that's now or before the 30th. They will trade him pre-deadline. They are not throwing 24 million away just to eventually trade him pre-June 30th. At this point if they "keep him" he will sign that extension pre-deadline.

As far as his comments, "it's out of my hands"... That has to mean he's being traded...




You know I forgot that the Knicks couldn't trade Denver an expiring in July (nor could the Nets). That means neither the Knicks nor Nyets could make a deal for Melo after February 24. So waiting until after the deadline is therefore super risky for the Nuggets.

A few things I want to get out there:

- A franchise tag that freezes Melo in Denver has 0% chance of happening. 0.

- The Lakers are not in the hunt for Melo and even if they were, Denver wouldn't want to deal him there.

- The new Max that the league wants may be $11M but they won't get that. Maybe they'll get $14M or thereabouts; I still think it will be closer to $16M. BUT HERE IS THE BIG THING: If the new Max comes down to even $14M, then the existing Maxes are going to take a haircut. No chance (0%) that Melo is making $14M next year while LeBron and Rudy Gay are at $18M. That would mean a loss to the new Maxes of about $20M over 5 years and the league will NEVER let that happen. The only amount I could see them accepting over 5 years is the range of $3M-$6M less for new Maxes compared to the existing Maxes.

- Trading Mozgov for Melo? Hmmm. I'm keeping Fields out no matter what. I would hate to give up Mozgov but if Nene comes back, maybe you can live with that.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#766 » by I_Love_NYK » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:16 pm

Denver wants to shed salary, as they are looking to rebuild with Afflalo and Ty Lawson as their main focal points. NeNe has a opt out after next year also, and he will opt out at the end of the year especially if Melo leaves Denver.

NY has to focus at getting Melo first before they can even get Chris Paul. Like I said with the new CBA, it might prevent a big 3 in NY from happening.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#767 » by god shammgod » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:16 pm

knicks742 wrote:Clearly Bucher hasn't been watching Knicks games. The only lock about the Knicks is that they are going to make me go gray prematurely.


we've lost 10 of 14. right now nothing is a lock.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#768 » by god shammgod » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:18 pm

i still say a trade happens before the deadline. not sure who folds though, us or them, but someone will.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - "Same Sh*t, Different Day" 

Post#769 » by Lord Commander » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:20 pm

KnicksGod wrote:- Trading Mozgov for Melo? Hmmm. I'm keeping Fields out no matter what. I would hate to give up Mozgov but if Nene comes back, maybe you can live with that.


That's what I'm talkin about. They can just about have whatever they want--Felton, Mozzy, Gallo, everybody, IF we get back Nene:

Billups
Affalo
Melo
Stat
Nene

Not sure if that works out in salary but just call us the New York Nuggets :lol:
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#770 » by Lord Commander » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:21 pm

I_Love_NYK wrote:Denver wants to shed salary, as they are looking to rebuild with Afflalo and Ty Lawson as their main focal points. NeNe has a opt out after next year also, and he will opt out at the end of the year especially if Melo leaves Denver.

NY has to focus at getting Melo first before they can even get Chris Paul. Like I said with the new CBA, it might prevent a big 3 in NY from happening.


I've heard this too. Why the hell then would they want Fields with Affalo in the fold? Their skill sets are so similar.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#771 » by god shammgod » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:24 pm

i don't see any possible way we get nene and melo. that's just crazy talk.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#772 » by towelie » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:25 pm

god shammgod wrote:i still say a trade happens before the deadline. not sure who folds though, us or them, but someone will.


I still think we'll "fold" by agreeing to take on Harrington, even though that impacts our 2012 plan. And maybe substituting (but not adding) Gallo or Fields for Chandler in the deal. Also, we might look to trade TD or Turiaf or Walker to see if they can net us any late 1sts or additional assets.

Unlike the TMac deal, we're in a great position of strength here, unless Dolan blows our poker face and shows his desperation to get Melo.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#773 » by Jordan45822 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:27 pm

Bucher in Sportcenter said that Denver wants MosGov + Chandler + Fields + Gallanari + Draft Picks from you guys.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - "Same Sh*t, Different Day" 

Post#774 » by seren » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:27 pm

KnicksGod wrote:You know I forgot that the Knicks couldn't trade Denver an expiring in July (nor could the Nets). That means neither the Knicks nor Nyets could make a deal for Melo after February 24. So waiting until after the deadline is therefore super risky for the Nuggets.

A few things I want to get out there:

- A franchise tag that freezes Melo in Denver has 0% chance of happening. 0.

- The Lakers are not in the hunt for Melo and even if they were, Denver wouldn't want to deal him there.

- The new Max that the league wants may be $11M but they won't get that. Maybe they'll get $14M or thereabouts. But I still think it will be closer to $16M. BUT HERE IS THE BIG THING: If the Max come down to even $14M, then the existing Maxes are going to take a haircut. No chance (0%) that Melo is making $14M next year while LeBron and Rudy Gay are at $18M. That would mean a loss to the new Maxes of about $20M over 5 years and the league will NEVER let that happen. The only amount I could see them accepting over 5 years is the range of $3M-$6M.

- Trading Mozgov for Melo? Hmmm. I'm keeping Fields out no matter what. I would hate to give up Mozgov but if Nene comes back, maybe you can live with that.


I agree with almost all your points. I think the real cuts will be to the middle salaries. At the end of the day, there are only 15 or so max contracts in the league and less than 50 players making 10 million or more.

What I would not be surprised to see is shorter guaranteed contracts. Probably it will be 4 and 5 instead of 5 and 6, more restrictions on mid-level via shorter (say 2-3 years), less in amount (say 5-8 percent of salary cap) and maybe make it bi-annual. I don't even believe they will completely get rid of it.

And I also expect the salary increases more in line with increases in salary cap. Maybe we would see non-guaranteed increases ie instead of 8-10 percent increase as now, simply tying it to salary cap changes. That would make your salary go up as revenues go up and salary would go down when revenues go down.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#775 » by Huey Freeman » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:28 pm

god shammgod wrote:i don't see any possible way we get nene and melo. that's just crazy talk.

It would be a counter request per their increasing demands. Either way, both scenarios are not going to happen.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#776 » by seren » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:28 pm

Jordan45822 wrote:Bucher in Sportcenter said that Denver wants MosGov + Chandler + Fields + Gallanari + Draft Picks from you guys.


Was he speculating or did he claim that is the package they asked for. If that is what they want, at least we have a negotiation going on.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#777 » by adog50 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:29 pm

Jordan45822 wrote:Bucher in Sportcenter said that Denver wants MosGov + Chandler + Fields + Gallanari + Draft Picks from you guys.



He Just pulled that Out his Ass.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#778 » by AllanHoustonFan » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:29 pm

Jordan45822 wrote:Bucher in Sportcenter said that Denver wants MosGov + Chandler + Fields + Gallanari + Draft Picks from you guys.


That's not happening. We gotta come to middle ground.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#779 » by Jordan45822 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:31 pm

seren wrote:
Jordan45822 wrote:Bucher in Sportcenter said that Denver wants MosGov + Chandler + Fields + Gallanari + Draft Picks from you guys.


Was he speculating or did he claim that is the package they asked for. If that is what they want, at least we have a negotiation going on.


He said he has been told that what Denver wants from NY
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 16] - Melo Says: "Out of my hands" 

Post#780 » by defjux21 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:33 pm

Jordan45822 wrote:Bucher in Sportcenter said that Denver wants MosGov + Chandler + Fields + Gallanari + Draft Picks from you guys.

Bucher also thought not too long ago that Beaubois plus some late first rounders would be a better trade package than anything the Knicks offered.

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