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Re: Maybe we expected too much too quickly? 

Post#61 » by DemandNotice598 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:02 am

Knicker23 wrote:I don't know, compared to last year of course .500 would be great.... but With Amare playing at the level that he was (and is) and Felton playing at a reasonably high level - you'd expect us to be more than 4 games better than the Pacers/76ers/8th spot....

i told ya'll to cool ur jets, but u scoffed at me. now the Knicks lose to the Lakers and the Sixers just beat the team with the best record in the nba, tha Spurs. not to rub it in but this is ur best season in how many years?? you havent even sniffed the play-offs in how many seasons?? you have a good HALF of a season and you guys were acting like the championship is in the horizon. the truth of the matter is the Knicks arent close. even if they make the play-offs they're not ready for it. play-off games play different than regular season games n most of ur team hasnt even experienced the intensity of it. the Knicks wouldnt have made it far. the Sixers have the experience n a solid coaching scheme though. i'm not trolling, just pointing it out that when i said this in ur Knicks/Sixers game thread...that i was right n i'm glad some of ya'll are starting to see it to. peace and love my brothers/sisters.
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Re: Maybe we expected too much too quickly? 

Post#62 » by StutterStep » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:16 am

To win 45 games with Amare Stoudamire as the main player is expecting too much?

YEAH RIGHT!!

Fire the coach, and tell the organization to make do with what it has and stop LUSTING after every "superstar" in the league.

Each year from mid/late January up until the Trade Deadline this team TANKS because players retaliate when they hear their names in trades.
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Re: Maybe we expected too much too quickly? 

Post#63 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:19 am

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richardhutnik wrote:Besides my usual chilled about things, where I thought the Knicks are a .500 club, which is 12 games better than last year, and 6 games better than their normal 35 game win seasons, I am seriously chilled on some pain pills, and can't help but NOT care. Wow, so these are what chill pills are. Now excuse me as I join Donnie Walsh in taking a nap. Wake me up when the Melo deal goes through. You know, this state is a TON better than being a fan who is under high anxiety.

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Its all about the naps. Rich for our next GM!!


Working on it. Since the pain has gone to where the incision was made for the surgery, and away from my leg, I have had to relearn how to sit, lay, stand and so on. Generally little pain here, but still doing stuff.

And I hope my naps don't connect to the wiretap. I did NOT order Felton to be part of a trade for Melo.

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Hope you feel better man.

Glad to hear you didn't order Felton gone. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I still like the dudes fight.
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Re: Maybe we expected too much too quickly? 

Post#64 » by Knicker23 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:27 am

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Knicker23 wrote:I don't know, compared to last year of course .500 would be great.... but With Amare playing at the level that he was (and is) and Felton playing at a reasonably high level - you'd expect us to be more than 4 games better than the Pacers/76ers/8th spot....

i told ya'll to cool ur jets, but u scoffed at me. now the Knicks lose to the Lakers and the Sixers just beat the team with the best record in the nba, tha Spurs. not to rub it in but this is ur best season in how many years?? you havent even sniffed the play-offs in how many seasons?? you have a good HALF of a season and you guys were acting like the championship is in the horizon. the truth of the matter is the Knicks arent close. even if they make the play-offs they're not ready for it. play-off games play different than regular season games n most of ur team hasnt even experienced the intensity of it. the Knicks wouldnt have made it far. the Sixers have the experience n a solid coaching scheme though. i'm not trolling, just pointing it out that when i said this in ur Knicks/Sixers game thread...that i was right n i'm glad some of ya'll are starting to see it to. peace and love my brothers/sisters.


We may be going through a slump, but i'm not too worried about the 76ers... If there's a positive in this, it's that the teams below us aren't all that great... And last I checked, Melo would like to be here.. if that happens there's no reason to think we can't start making some progression in the playoffs.... to say that we 'aren't close' were Melo and Amare to be on the same team, would be real far off.... I don't care how little experience we'd have surrounding them - you have those two guys and a PG like Felton, we have some things to work with / potential to go places in the playoffs.... that can't be said about the 76ers.
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Re: Maybe we expected too much too quickly? 

Post#65 » by C3 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:16 am

I've read this thread earlier today and was going to comment, but did not. To tell you guys the truth, when I looked at this seasons starting rosters, your record today is much better than I expected. Your team today is much better than I expected. Your Teams future is also much more promising than I ever expected.

The thing is after all these years, I'll admit your finally on the right track, and I think you should all be happy. I also believe your team has a bright future. Of course, there are no guarantees, but like many teams in this league, your organization has taken the first step, and now has a positive vibe flowing within it's core. As a outsider looking in, the Knicks future is now wide open. At this point, in the next few years anything can happen.

I'll tell you now, I'm a bulls fan, I'm also a self proclaimed knicks hater. Even though I am all these things I say I am, I'm also objective.
As a Bulls fan, I consider the Knicks a primary rival to the team I enjoy following.. I'd love to see you guys sometime in the playoffs, It would bring back lots of memories and emotions. "To tell you the truth, I don't think anything would hurt me more than loosing to you in the playoffs." I'n the past I've taken great joy in defeating you. I'f I ever had to watch you win a championship, that for me would be close to hell on earth.

I hope this post is not looked upon as being a troll, that is not how I intended it to be portrayed. I do believe you guys have a bright future, and I't does not bring me joy to admight that.
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Re: Maybe we expected too much too quickly? 

Post#66 » by nyknicks09 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:36 am

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Dr. Detfink wrote:a .500 team that got beat by a 3 win road Clipper team in the Garden?


But there have been some extreme highs to accompany those extreme lows. The Clippers game was a very bad loss, just like beating the Spurs was a very good win. We split our series with the Clips, split our series with the Spurs, and low and behold we're a .500 team.

We are of the inconsistent variety of .500 teams, rather than those that beat all the teams worse than them and lose to all the teams better than them. It can make for some very miserable moments, and some truly spectacular ones.


Very true. And really every team goes through ups and downs. Celtics are 5-5 over there last 10 (we are 4-6), Lakers go through stretches losing 3 or 4 in a row, etc. The Spurs might be the only team that has been cruising all year.

Maybe most teams aren't as up and down as us, but just about every team is up and down.

And I do think after the trading deadline/allstar break this team will play a little better and go on an upward swing with or without Melo.


Did you just compared the "up and downs" of our team to the up and downs to one of the elite teams in the NBA? :lol: :lol: :lol:

First of all, The Knicks have ups, downs, downs, downs, downs, downs, ups ups ups, downs, downs, downs, downs, downs, ups, ups, etc. etc. etc. Follow the pattern here bruh. That's how the Knicks play on the court. Catchup ball and it reflects on the standings and on the coach and the players. I don't mean to pick on anyone but you kind of answered your own question/doubt on the second paragraph with a "maybe most teams aren't as up and down as us, but just about every team is up and down." What kind of explanation/excuse is that? All in all, the Knicks are an inconsistent team and so are the majority of our players and so is our coach with his mishandle of lineups and minutes per game for players on the bench. I love my Knicks like the next door Knicks fan but lets not pretend we have "ups and downs" when we really have more downs than ups.
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Re: Maybe we expected too much too quickly? 

Post#67 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:21 pm

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But there have been some extreme highs to accompany those extreme lows. The Clippers game was a very bad loss, just like beating the Spurs was a very good win. We split our series with the Clips, split our series with the Spurs, and low and behold we're a .500 team.

We are of the inconsistent variety of .500 teams, rather than those that beat all the teams worse than them and lose to all the teams better than them. It can make for some very miserable moments, and some truly spectacular ones.


Very true. And really every team goes through ups and downs. Celtics are 5-5 over there last 10 (we are 4-6), Lakers go through stretches losing 3 or 4 in a row, etc. The Spurs might be the only team that has been cruising all year.

Maybe most teams aren't as up and down as us, but just about every team is up and down.

And I do think after the trading deadline/allstar break this team will play a little better and go on an upward swing with or without Melo.


Did you just compared the "up and downs" of our team to the up and downs to one of the elite teams in the NBA? :lol: :lol: :lol:

First of all, The Knicks have ups, downs, downs, downs, downs, downs, ups ups ups, downs, downs, downs, downs, downs, ups, ups, etc. etc. etc. Follow the pattern here bruh. That's how the Knicks play on the court. Catchup ball and it reflects on the standings and on the coach and the players. I don't mean to pick on anyone but you kind of answered your own question/doubt on the second paragraph with a "maybe most teams aren't as up and down as us, but just about every team is up and down." What kind of explanation/excuse is that? All in all, the Knicks are an inconsistent team and so are the majority of our players and so is our coach with his mishandle of lineups and minutes per game for players on the bench. I love my Knicks like the next door Knicks fan but lets not pretend we have "ups and downs" when we really have more downs than ups.


We are .500. I don't see how we have that many more downs then ups.

All I'm saying is the elite teams go through slides too so of course we will. The Celtics lost to the Cavs and the Clippers beat the Bulls on the road. Thats just the way the NBA is over 82 games.

I'm not really sure what else you want. I said we have more ups and downs then most. What can we do?
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Post#68 » by Justdatdude » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:33 pm

Its not that we expected too much too quickly, its simply that we should be better than what we are after being patient and giving Walsh and D'antoni 3 years to do something.

But as much as anyone, D'Antoni needs to show something across the season's final 29 games, starting tonight in Newark against the Nets, but really starting after the one-game-in-10-days mini-bye the Knicks will enjoy thereafter. Whether the Knicks ultimately deal for Anthony is irrelevant to this matter. This is relevant: The Knicks are paying $6 million a year for D'Antoni and so far the best they've seen is the 26-26 mark they'll drag across the river tonight.

And it's time someone said it: They should be better than that right now.

Nobody sane talked about winning a championship this year, just like nobody much expected the Knicks to beat the defending world champs last night. It's the too-frequent-lately no-shows against lesser teams that fry the nerves now, home losses to the likes of the Kings and the Suns and the Clippers, and the fact that until last night, the Cavaliers' only win since two days after Thanksgiving was against the Knicks.

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I agree with that 100%. We waited 3 years to be a good team under current management including coaching staff. We signed a max player in Stoudemire after missing out on Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, the three free agents that were said to be top of the class. We gave max money to Amare. I like the guy, earlier this season he played like a MVP candidate, but fact is we're .500. Blame D'antoni, blame Amare, blame our youth, blame the distractions, blame whatever you want. When you give someone 20 million a year to play on a team in a horrible conference, your team record should be better than .500. When you have a former coach of the year making 6 million dollars and getting a ton of credit for being an offensive mastermind, your team should be better than .500. When you have the type of young assets we have that people claim are too valuable to give up for a superstar in Carmelo Anthony, your team should be better than .500.

That's what it boils down 2. Lose to the Celtics and Lakers at home. Fans of a team like we have don't look at the schedule and our roster and say "we're going to beat the Celtics here and we're going to beat the Celtics there". Losing those games are fine. But when you're getting your butts handed to you by the Sacremento Kings, LA Clippers (without Gordon), and Phoenix Suns at home...Then there's a problem.

I'm not asking for 50 wins this season. Simply put, we're not as bad as our record indicates. We're better than a .500 team, but we're not performing like we're better than a .500 team. That's why there's an issue.
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Post#69 » by SpinninHouse » Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:16 pm

Bulls fan here.

You guys are good shape. Financially you have a ton of cap flexibility going forward. This, combined with modest success this year, will allow you to add some high end pieces (Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, etc) over the next year or two.

Some of the talent you've acquired has a tremendous amount of upside. I like Fields a lot. He's going to be a very good player for a long time in this league. Galinari has the size, athletic ability, and shooting stroke to develop into a really good player, too. He's getting the necessary minutes and he'll be in the league a long time.

Maybe I'm biased because he's a DePaul guy, but Wilson Chandler is another talented player who should steadily improve over the next several years. Not sure what his ceiling is but he hasn't reached it yet. Isiah might have been the worst GM ever but his ties to DePaul helped him find Chandler.

Amare is a elite player in this league. If his knee holds up, he'll be the best FA signing this summer aside from LeBron. This year has clearly proved that he made Nash look every bit as good as Nash made him look. He put up ridiculous numbers in the post-season last year. I voted for Amare to start in the All-Star game dozens of times because A) he deserved it and B) KG sucks.

The only piece not currently in place (besides center) is coaching. Obviously the defense isn't there but I'm not sure how much personnel has to do with it. My guess is a lot of it is due to D'Antoni and his system. When a new staff is put in place, I assume defensive numbers will improve -- regardless of who the players are.

Going forward you guys should feel pretty good. The landscape of the East is changing. Boston is fighting age and will decline over the next 3 years. Miami will probably stay on top for the foreseeable future but younger Eastern teams like Chicago and New York should improve over the next several years. You're the 6th seed now but with cap flexibility, the decline of aging teams, and a new coaching system it's probable that you'll leap frog several spots and be positioned to go deeper into the playoffs.
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Re: Maybe we expected too much too quickly? 

Post#70 » by cgf » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:43 pm

C3 wrote:I've read this thread earlier today and was going to comment, but did not. To tell you guys the truth, when I looked at this seasons starting rosters, your record today is much better than I expected. Your team today is much better than I expected. Your Teams future is also much more promising than I ever expected.

The thing is after all these years, I'll admit your finally on the right track, and I think you should all be happy. I also believe your team has a bright future. Of course, there are no guarantees, but like many teams in this league, your organization has taken the first step, and now has a positive vibe flowing within it's core. As a outsider looking in, the Knicks future is now wide open. At this point, in the next few years anything can happen.

I'll tell you now, I'm a bulls fan, I'm also a self proclaimed knicks hater. Even though I am all these things I say I am, I'm also objective.
As a Bulls fan, I consider the Knicks a primary rival to the team I enjoy following.. I'd love to see you guys sometime in the playoffs, It would bring back lots of memories and emotions. "To tell you the truth, I don't think anything would hurt me more than loosing to you in the playoffs." I'n the past I've taken great joy in defeating you. I'f I ever had to watch you win a championship, that for me would be close to hell on earth.

I hope this post is not looked upon as being a troll, that is not how I intended it to be portrayed. I do believe you guys have a bright future, and I't does not bring me joy to admight that.


Although I wish your team to loss in the playoffs for the next 5 years in the playoffs to the knicks that's a good post, and kinda sad given how many knicks fans can't be as calm and objective about our team as a fan of one of our biggest rivals. It's kinda surreal, I get it a lot talking to over-reacting Bulls fans here in Chicago, or at least used to, now they're all convinced that they're going to win a ring this year and that that's a reasonable expectation.
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Post#71 » by cgf » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:46 pm

Justdatdude wrote:Its not that we expected too much too quickly, its simply that we should be better than what we are after being patient and giving Walsh and D'antoni 3 years to do something.

But as much as anyone, D'Antoni needs to show something across the season's final 29 games, starting tonight in Newark against the Nets, but really starting after the one-game-in-10-days mini-bye the Knicks will enjoy thereafter. Whether the Knicks ultimately deal for Anthony is irrelevant to this matter. This is relevant: The Knicks are paying $6 million a year for D'Antoni and so far the best they've seen is the 26-26 mark they'll drag across the river tonight.

And it's time someone said it: They should be better than that right now.

Nobody sane talked about winning a championship this year, just like nobody much expected the Knicks to beat the defending world champs last night. It's the too-frequent-lately no-shows against lesser teams that fry the nerves now, home losses to the likes of the Kings and the Suns and the Clippers, and the fact that until last night, the Cavaliers' only win since two days after Thanksgiving was against the Knicks.

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I agree with that 100%. We waited 3 years to be a good team under current management including coaching staff. We signed a max player in Stoudemire after missing out on Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, the three free agents that were said to be top of the class. We gave max money to Amare. I like the guy, earlier this season he played like a MVP candidate, but fact is we're .500. Blame D'antoni, blame Amare, blame our youth, blame the distractions, blame whatever you want. When you give someone 20 million a year to play on a team in a horrible conference, your team record should be better than .500. When you have a former coach of the year making 6 million dollars and getting a ton of credit for being an offensive mastermind, your team should be better than .500. When you have the type of young assets we have that people claim are too valuable to give up for a superstar in Carmelo Anthony, your team should be better than .500.

That's what it boils down 2. Lose to the Celtics and Lakers at home. Fans of a team like we have don't look at the schedule and our roster and say "we're going to beat the Celtics here and we're going to beat the Celtics there". Losing those games are fine. But when you're getting your butts handed to you by the Sacremento Kings, LA Clippers (without Gordon), and Phoenix Suns at home...Then there's a problem.

I'm not asking for 50 wins this season. Simply put, we're not as bad as our record indicates. We're better than a .500 team, but we're not performing like we're better than a .500 team. That's why there's an issue.


NO, this is not year 3 this is year 1, if you can't understand how pathetically under-manned we were in years one and two and realize this is a completely new team that doesn't suck and is growing together you're just clueless, be it cause you're new to basketball, a child or just a ignorant about the NBA.
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Post#72 » by DemandNotice598 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:53 pm

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Knicker23 wrote:I don't know, compared to last year of course .500 would be great.... but With Amare playing at the level that he was (and is) and Felton playing at a reasonably high level - you'd expect us to be more than 4 games better than the Pacers/76ers/8th spot....

i told ya'll to cool ur jets, but u scoffed at me. now the Knicks lose to the Lakers and the Sixers just beat the team with the best record in the nba, tha Spurs. not to rub it in but this is ur best season in how many years?? you havent even sniffed the play-offs in how many seasons?? you have a good HALF of a season and you guys were acting like the championship is in the horizon. the truth of the matter is the Knicks arent close. even if they make the play-offs they're not ready for it. play-off games play different than regular season games n most of ur team hasnt even experienced the intensity of it. the Knicks wouldnt have made it far. the Sixers have the experience n a solid coaching scheme though. i'm not trolling, just pointing it out that when i said this in ur Knicks/Sixers game thread...that i was right n i'm glad some of ya'll are starting to see it to. peace and love my brothers/sisters.


We may be going through a slump, but i'm not too worried about the 76ers... If there's a positive in this, it's that the teams below us aren't all that great... And last I checked, Melo would like to be here.. if that happens there's no reason to think we can't start making some progression in the playoffs.... to say that we 'aren't close' were Melo and Amare to be on the same team, would be real far off.... I don't care how little experience we'd have surrounding them - you have those two guys and a PG like Felton, we have some things to work with / potential to go places in the playoffs.... that can't be said about the 76ers.

that's weird...ur not worried about the Sixers even though they're winning the series between the two teams 2-1?? its alright to be a little arrogant, a little confident, but be intelligent to. especially after ur team looked scattered brained last night. ur offense is so predictable. soften up with "STAT" and work for a 3...if you start losing, start chucking 3z lol. the only person who really seems like they can drive to the paint is felton...everyone else stumbles in, throws it up n says "goodluck" lol.

n no, right now it doesnt seem like adding Melo would be a drastic change in fortune for ur team. the Sixers beat Denver n they have Melo, Billups, Nene, Smith, a good coach in Karl, and others who are play-off hardened players. adding Melo to ur rag tag team doesnt seem to scary at all.
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Re: Maybe we expected too much too quickly? 

Post#73 » by baseline_jay » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:07 pm

Trow more BLAME on Amare.
He's falling short lately.
He needs to score more. Block more. Pass more.
Lead more.

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