[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

Knicksrule2k4 · Post #1421 » by **Knicksrule2k4** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:49 pm

I'm starting to think there is going to be no trade at all. I don't think Denver really wants to deal him and I don't think Walsh is going to cave in and give 2 out of 3. Denver will tell melo we tried but we couldn't get fair value, and Walsh will say we tried but couldn't gut the roster. I see this coming down to the Summer, and unfortunately at this point, Melo resigning in Denver.

delvec19 · Post #1422 » by **delvec19** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:49 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6115099

Media finally starting to blame D'Antoni.

Knicker23 · Post #1423 » by **Knicker23** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:51 pm

Pharmcat wrote:im sure it was posted, but if not

here is sheridans article

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6115065

basically saying that its time to get it done (i agree)

How long have we been saying this for, weeks? Do we have to hear it from the best player on the planets mouth to make something happen? Not that i'm for it, but I don't care if you 'gut' our roster and have TD BW and Moz surrounding Amare and Melo - Amare and Melo win more games than this team does.... so this 'only makes us better' crap is starting to get annoying..... We get we want to keep our 'good young assets in tact' but enough is enough - part with who we must and get it done. Gallo isn't worth it.

The worse we play the better the leverage for Denver. It's a good thing we only have two left, one against a D team Nets... even so, if we win tonight I guarantee we'll hear "we've been playing well lately, just coming up short.. tonight we we're able to get over that hump.. I like what I saw'' blah blah from MDA...

I don't think i'm at the point where'd i'd say Chandler Fields and Gallo - but hell. Not one of them has been playing decent, other than maybe Fields.... Gallo's numbers in January have been scary bad..his driving has been better, but zip else - especially three.

Jmonty580 · Post #1424 » by **Jmonty580** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:52 pm

Lets say that Denver is willing to trade Melo because they dont want to lose him for nothing in the offseason and for the savings.. Do you think they would wait until after the all-star game to make a deal? I guess its good for them to have a starter at the all-star game? Do you guys think thats makes any difference as to when they actually make a deal?

god shammgod · Post #1425 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:53 pm

Jmonty580 wrote:Lets say that Denver is willing to trade Melo because they dont want to lose him for nothing in the offseason and for the savings.. Do you think they would wait until after the all-star game to make a deal? I guess its good for them to have a starter at the all-star game? Do you guys think thats makes any difference as to when they actually make a deal?

they're going to drag this out to hope another deal emerges. nothing we can do about that.

vallen · Post #1426 » by **vallen** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:54 pm

god shammgod wrote:
vallen wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i'm convinced there's no way this deal doesn't happen. dolan will make sure it does.

all of a sudden Jim Dolan is the voice of reason were going to be counting on ?

Im afraid.......

he's a business man. getting amare was very good for business but if the knicks start to lose, that will all go away. getting melo will reinvigorate everything that was built up this year. no way he doesn't make that happen.

i hope your right, I was just pointing out the irony of the situation. Hes not exactly the guy whos reinvigorated anything in the last decade or so. In fact sometimes you had to wonder if the guy wasnt working against us sometimes...as a business man he had no problem letting Isiah run the |Garden into the ground, despite how it affected business. Im still scared....

desperate times call for desperate hopes i suppose....

Jmonty580 · Post #1427 » by **Jmonty580** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:55 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Jmonty580 wrote:Lets say that Denver is willing to trade Melo because they dont want to lose him for nothing in the offseason and for the savings.. Do you think they would wait until after the all-star game to make a deal? I guess its good for them to have a starter at the all-star game? Do you guys think thats makes any difference as to when they actually make a deal?

they're going to drag this out to hope another deal emerges. nothing we can do about that.

Yea, I get the feeling they know they are going to deal with us though, and that they are just killing time, holding on as long as they possibly can. Keeping him at least for the all-star game keeps them somewhat relevant. when he goes, only God knows the next time they'll have such a talent there.

Knicker23 · Post #1428 » by **Knicker23** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:56 pm

Jmonty580 wrote:Lets say that Denver is willing to trade Melo because they dont want to lose him for nothing in the offseason and for the savings.. Do you think they would wait until after the all-star game to make a deal? I guess its good for them to have a starter at the all-star game? Do you guys think thats makes any difference as to when they actually make a deal?

Why, so everyone can see the all star that they'll be losing one more time? You'd think they'd want him as much as a memory as possible by all star week so that fans and others can move on from all of this..... The longer they wait the better possibility I suppose of the Knicks offering a more lucrative deal - that's what is dragging this out.... but lets not forget, Denver has some reason to get this done too... if the Knicks don't budge they may be on some thin ice without much time to maneuver.

god shammgod · Post #1429 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:57 pm

vallen wrote: i hope your right, I was just pointing out the irony of the situation. Hes not exactly the guy whos reinvigorated anything in the last decade or so. In fact sometimes you had to wonder if the guy wasnt working against us sometimes...as a business man he had no problem letting Isiah run the |Garden into the ground, despite how it affected business. Im still scared....

desperate times call for desperate hopes i suppose....

he's smart enough to recognize what's good for business. the ewing led knicks went to the finals twice in a decade but business was booming during that whole time. a melo/amare tandem means good business for the next 5 years even if we don't win a championship.

GnarlesOakley · Post #1430 » by **GnarlesOakley** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:59 pm

god shammgod wrote:
vallen wrote: i hope your right, I was just pointing out the irony of the situation. Hes not exactly the guy whos reinvigorated anything in the last decade or so. In fact sometimes you had to wonder if the guy wasnt working against us sometimes...as a business man he had no problem letting Isiah run the |Garden into the ground, despite how it affected business. Im still scared....

desperate times call for desperate hopes i suppose....

he's smart enough to recognize what's good for business. the ewing led knicks went to the finals twice in a decade but business was booming during that whole time. a melo/amare tandem means good business for the next 5 years even if we don't win a championship.

Let's be realistic, Amare probably won't last for 5 years. But yeah, for the next 3 or so years it'll keep things interesting enough.

Jmonty580 · Post #1431 » by **Jmonty580** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:59 pm

Knicker23 wrote:
Jmonty580 wrote:Lets say that Denver is willing to trade Melo because they dont want to lose him for nothing in the offseason and for the savings.. Do you think they would wait until after the all-star game to make a deal? I guess its good for them to have a starter at the all-star game? Do you guys think thats makes any difference as to when they actually make a deal?

Why, so everyone can see the all star that they'll be losing one more time? You'd think they'd want him as much as a memory as possible by all star week so that fans and others can move on from all of this..... The longer they wait the better possibility I suppose of the Knicks offering a more lucrative deal - that's what is dragging this out.... but lets not forget, Denver has some reason to get this done too... if the Knicks don't budge they may be on some thin ice without much time to maneuver.

Yea i would think they would want to get this all behind them as soon as possible too so that the fans could move on. And ofcourse they are holding out for a good deal. I get the feeling that no deal offered from us is going to be good enough until like 2 days before the trade deadline.

Clyde_Style · Post #1432 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:01 pm

Ma, Pa, are we there yet?

Demyze · Post #1433 » by **Demyze** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:01 pm

I think the Knicks fans were really high a month ago on Fields, Gallo, Chandler but since the recent decline the truth is really setting in that they are role players. With out a second star this team is just low seed playoff team. Besides Amare no player on this team should be a deal breaker at all.

NYK0605 · Post #1434 » by **NYK0605** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:04 pm

Just letting everyone know...remeber the Boston and KG trade?

there were analysts saying..."who got the better deal?" many believed Minny did.

Boston traded Jefferson, Telfair, Gomes, Ratliff and 2 1st round picks. How many of those are now impact players? One.

My point is the "gutting" the roster BS is overblown. STOP OVERRATING our players!!!!

Jmonty580 · Post #1435 » by **Jmonty580** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:06 pm

Demyze wrote:I think the Knicks fans were really high a month ago on Fields, Gallo, Chandler but since the recent decline the truth is really setting in that they are role players. With out a second star this team is just low seed playoff team. Besides Amare no player on this team should be a deal breaker at all.

Thats a little true. Some think Gallo is about to explode and become a superstar..some think that about Chandler...Some think Fields is so good and still young he could become an amazing star in this league...Some think all three will be amazing.

Some of us knew they were just really good role players. I still think both Gallo and Chandler have all-star potential. I honestly cant measure just how good Fields can be. But I know that none of them will ever be as good as Melo or have his impact on the court. Some are desperate and willing to give up all three right now, some only want to lose one and get Melo for next to nothing. I've maintaned that we should trade them two of our valued 3 along with AR (actually him or a 1st round picked obtained using him) to get Melo NOW as opposed to waiting till later.

Knick4Real · Post #1436 » by **Knick4Real** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:06 pm

That was an interesting article, since basically it's telling the KNICKS to blink first. But based on the reported pieces of the deal Denver is currently asking for, it's basically a suicide move for us.

If we give up Chandler, Gallo, Fields, Moz, and/or Felton, and perhaps more, how do we SERIOUSLY compete as a franchise with a nucleus made up of Amare, Melo, Walker and Roger Mason??? Not only would we be unable to add a legitimate star next season, but we'd be hard pressed to win 40 games THIS season!

So for all the people who keep saying they're tired of this and are willing to do WHATEVER just to get it over with, I say you've been following this much too closely and reading every single syllable about it to the point where you're delusional. Melo is undoubtedly a top tier superstar in the league. But I refer you back to what Donnie said early in this process: we can't gut the team just for one guy.

Prepare yourselves now for this deal to go all the way to the deadline. But unless Denver is willing to be REASONABLE and quit thinking true market value, we have to be prepared to do what's in the best interest of the franchise. Do we really want Melo at ALL COSTS?? Or are we willing to risk waiting for him just a few months more while continuing to leave our long term options open and build this team smartly?

Demyze · Post #1437 » by **Demyze** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:06 pm

NYK0605 wrote:Just letting everyone know...remeber the Boston and KG trade?

there were analysts saying..."who got the better deal?" many believed Minny did.

Boston traded Jefferson, Telfair, Gomes, Ratliff and 2 1st round picks. How many of those are now impact players? One.

My point is the "gutting" the roster BS is overblown. STOP OVERRATING our players!!!!

Yupppp, i mean c'mon Mosgov LOL lets be realistic here people. People talk about this guy like he is the second comming of Dwight Howard or something. If it comes down to the wire, I give denver alot of pieces going forward, we have so much cap and flexibility to fill in the pieces just like Miami is doing. Once the foundation is built everything else is much easier to fill in.

Normalyute · Post #1438 » by **Normalyute** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:08 pm

forget what each team is losing if you can and lets focus on what each team could potentially get. which fan base will be happier Knicks fans getting Melo or nuggets fans getting Gallo. Fields, Chandler or whateva package the knicks send to them?

and knicks fans would you guys be willing to give up Stat for free candy, Kmart, and JR Smith? I bet not and I also have a feeling if Melo was already on the knicks and Gallo, Fields and Chandler were on the Nuggets we would laugh at the the very mention of a trade.

Jitpal · Post #1439 » by **Jitpal** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:09 pm

I love how everyone blames Donnie when Denver doesn't even want to have a real discussion. Melo's offering himself up, too bad Denver doesn't see it that way. Really unfair to blame Donnie. -Jitpal

Jmonty580 · Post #1440 » by **Jmonty580** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:11 pm

NYK0605 wrote:Just letting everyone know...remeber the Boston and KG trade?

there were analysts saying..."who got the better deal?" many believed Minny did.

Boston traded Jefferson, Telfair, Gomes, Ratliff and 2 1st round picks. How many of those are now impact players? One.

My point is the "gutting" the roster BS is overblown. STOP OVERRATING our players!!!!

Exactly. A star impact player NOW is worth more than 3 or 4 players who have star potential, because that potential may never be fully realized. And even if it is they still might not be as good as Melo.

I dont want to sell the whole farm, but 2 of our valued 3 is not overpaying for Melo. And if need be I consider the third (ofcourse that may change things like no trading AR and no taking back bad contracts).