[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[vallen]

Just letting everyone know...remeber the Boston and KG trade?

there were analysts saying..."who got the better deal?" many believed Minny did.

Boston traded Jefferson, Telfair, Gomes, Ratliff and 2 1st round picks. How many of those are now impact players? One.

My point is the "gutting" the roster BS is overblown. STOP OVERRATING our players!!!!

I understand your point, but I remember nobody thinking that was a good trade for Minny. Nobody. Of course if Im wrong people raise your hands...

[nyknicks2k2]

Celtics also had the 5th pick and Rondo. Celtics completely refused to move Rondo and now look at him. If we're going by the logic of "**** it, move everyone" then he would've been in that deal as well. They also were able to move the 5th pick for Ray Allen which helped start up the KG deal in the first place.

Point is, yeah, value wise they don't match up to Melo. Does that mean we should send out all our assets? No. Melo and Amare aren't even going to win us a division title.

[Demyze]

I mean c'mon people this Carmelo Anthony we are talking about here imo top 5 player in the league when he wants to be. You pair him up with Amare and thats a nasty combo, dude has a deal under Jordan hes the real deal. Like i said before look at Miami they basically gutted the team for Lebron and Bosh, the Knicks are in the same type of flexibilty. To get alot you have to give alot in sports, once the foundation is layed with Melo and Amare in the offseason we can go get a center and fill the in pieces because we have flexibility. For the fans who think we get him in free agency easy, you are kidding yourself nothing is guranteed in free agency a team can clear cap in a second and be in the mix. You do what ever it takes in REALSTIC trade to get him at all costs.

[NYK0605]

Celtics also had the 5th pick and Rondo. Celtics completely refused to move Rondo and now look at him. If we're going by the logic of "**** it, move everyone" then he would've been in that deal as well. They also were able to move the 5th pick for Ray Allen which helped start up the KG deal in the first place.

Point is, yeah, value wise they don't match up to Melo. Does that mean we should send out all our assets? No. Melo and Amare aren't even going to win us a division title.

Understood.

Im not saying "sell the farm".

Donnie needs to be able tokeep Gallo IMO because I feel at 22 he has great potnetial to be a great 6th man for us. If it comes down to Chandler, Fields, Curry, AR and if have to, Mozgov, I pull the trigger.

[vallen]

I love how everyone blames Donnie when Denver doesn't even want to have a real discussion. Melo's offering himself up, too bad Denver doesn't see it that way. Really unfair to blame Donnie. -Jitpal

I have to agree, I dont understand the turn around here. After Layden and IT we finally have a competent GM, and people want to run into Jim Dolans open arms...

its like runing to Mom when you dont like what Dads answer was......lol

[Jmonty580]

forget what each team is losing if you can and lets focus on what each team could potentially get. which fan base will be happier Knicks fans getting Melo or nuggets fans getting Gallo. Fields, Chandler or whateva package the knicks send to them?

and knicks fans would you guys be willing to give up Stat for free candy, Kmart, and JR Smith? I bet not and I also have a feeling if Melo was already on the knicks and Gallo, Fields and Chandler were on the Nuggets we would laugh at the the very mention of a trade.

Ofcourse I wouldnt be willing to give up stat for that. NOW if Stat was going to be a free agent and was going to walk in the summer unless we traded him to... lets say the wizards (lol i know far fetched). And the wizards were offering Nick Young, Megee and Blatche.... or two of them at some combo of picks... Or we lose Amare for nothing in the offseason.. I take those three if possible or at least two of the three and a pick or something. Free candy, Kmart and JR Smith have negative value imo, so I'd rather lose Amare and get nothing in return over trading him for those three.

[knicks742]

Celtics also had the 5th pick and Rondo. Celtics completely refused to move Rondo and now look at him. If we're going by the logic of "**** it, move everyone" then he would've been in that deal as well. They also were able to move the 5th pick for Ray Allen which helped start up the KG deal in the first place.

Point is, yeah, value wise they don't match up to Melo. Does that mean we should send out all our assets? No. Melo and Amare aren't even going to win us a division title.

I would like to read one article showing us how the writer expects the lineup to be after a trade and how do we continue to improve to become a championship contender. Instead of the OMGZ it's melo you all.

[Normalyute]

I love how everyone blames Donnie when Denver doesn't even want to have a real discussion. Melo's offering himself up, too bad Denver doesn't see it that way. Really unfair to blame Donnie. -Jitpal

Ok Donnie should come out and say he will give up anyone but Stat so at least Melo may really consider us in the offseason because I have a feeling he's gonna cave and take the extension because he's not sure how much the Knicks want him

[Knick4Real]

I love how everyone blames Donnie when Denver doesn't even want to have a real discussion. Melo's offering himself up, too bad Denver doesn't see it that way. Really unfair to blame Donnie. -Jitpal

EXCELLENT POINT!

Denver has NOTHING to lose by waiting until the very last second to pull the trigger. Which is EXACTLY what they're gonna do. But if we continue growing impatient and cave, we can keep adding more and more offers on the table every single day, but that won't make Denver act quicker. They have the luxury of waiting and intimidating teams (like us) into thinking we're gonna lose out unless we give them the world. So they're playing this smartly. But we have to play it smartly too.

It's a high stakes game of chicken. And I'm just glad Donnie is playing our hand for us.

[Jitpal]

Celtics also had the 5th pick and Rondo. Celtics completely refused to move Rondo and now look at him. If we're going by the logic of "**** it, move everyone" then he would've been in that deal as well. They also were able to move the 5th pick for Ray Allen which helped start up the KG deal in the first place.

Point is, yeah, value wise they don't match up to Melo. Does that mean we should send out all our assets? No. Melo and Amare aren't even going to win us a division title.

I would like to read one article showing us how the writer expects the lineup to be after a trade and how do we continue to improve to become a championship contender. Instead of the OMGZ it's melo you all.

Look at SAS, according to him Melo + Amare is instantly the 3rd best team in the east. He considers Mozgov a non-player. Fully supports Donnie sending Fields, Gallo and Chandler to Denver along with AR/1st rounder. What the hell is left? Felton/Billups, Bill Walker, Shawne Williams, Melo, Amare with Turiaf, Douglas and Roger Mason isn't winning you anything. -Jitpal

[knicks742]

This is why no matter how hard everyone cries, there is nothing we can do. Until they are ready to actually negotiate for real, Donnie can only wait.

"• More to the point, with every passing day, hope swells among Nuggets officials that they will be comfortable keeping Anthony for the rest of the season and dealing with trade possibilities then. Anthony’s recent 50-point game, and Denver’s thrilling, last-second victory over Dallas Thursday night –- with Arron Afflalo doing his best Melo impression with a buzzer-beater –- have done nothing to diminish those hopes. “They don’t want to trade him,” said a person familiar with the Nuggets’ strategy, explaining why Denver has engaged so many teams and gotten close before stopping short of closing the deal each time. “I don’t think they’re walking boldly into this transition. It’s more like walking the plank.” "

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/1467 ... -at-owners

[Demyze]

I love how everyone blames Donnie when Denver doesn't even want to have a real discussion. Melo's offering himself up, too bad Denver doesn't see it that way. Really unfair to blame Donnie. -Jitpal

EXCELLENT POINT!

Denver has NOTHING to lose by waiting until the very last second to pull the trigger. Which is EXACTLY what they're gonna do. But if we continue growing impatient and cave, we can keep adding more and more offers on the table every single day, but that won't make Denver act quicker. They have the luxury of waiting and intimidating teams (like us) into thinking we're gonna lose out unless we give them the world. So they're playing this smartly. But we have to play it smartly too.

It's a high stakes game of chicken. And I'm just glad Donnie is playing our hand for us.

We all know this is going to come down to the wire, but every player besides Amare shouldn't be the deal breaker in a type of trade like this. I think alot info is going to swirl during All Star weekend because teams are on break and the media will have alot of access to Melo.

[Demyze]

Celtics also had the 5th pick and Rondo. Celtics completely refused to move Rondo and now look at him. If we're going by the logic of "**** it, move everyone" then he would've been in that deal as well. They also were able to move the 5th pick for Ray Allen which helped start up the KG deal in the first place.

Point is, yeah, value wise they don't match up to Melo. Does that mean we should send out all our assets? No. Melo and Amare aren't even going to win us a division title.

I would like to read one article showing us how the writer expects the lineup to be after a trade and how do we continue to improve to become a championship contender. Instead of the OMGZ it's melo you all.

Look at SAS, according to him Melo + Amare is instantly the 3rd best team in the east. He considers Mozgov a non-player. Fully supports Donnie sending Fields, Gallo and Chandler to Denver along with AR/1st rounder. What the hell is left? Felton/Billups, Bill Walker, Shawne Williams, Melo, Amare with Turiaf, Douglas and Roger Mason isn't winning you anything. -Jitpal

Yea for this season but in the offseason we fill in the pieces because we have the flexibility, we aren't playing for the Championship this season realistically, we are playing for the future.

[johnnywishbone]

If we are trading everybody I hope they propose swapping coaches too.

[Jitpal]

I love how everyone blames Donnie when Denver doesn't even want to have a real discussion. Melo's offering himself up, too bad Denver doesn't see it that way. Really unfair to blame Donnie. -Jitpal

Ok Donnie should come out and say he will give up anyone but Stat so at least Melo may really consider us in the offseason because I have a feeling he's gonna cave and take the extension because he's not sure how much the Knicks want him

Why would Donnie do that? You would literally blow ANY reasonable chance of trading for Melo at the deadline. Any shot you have of getting a deal with 1 of the 3 or 2 of the 3 is out the window. Not to mention the value of those 3 plummets around the league because if they are available for one trade, they are available for another. If you think those guys aren't performing because of Melo rumors, how do you think they will do when every team is coming out of the woodwork with leaks of wanting 1 of the 3 for player X? Not to mention, their future in NY is now suspect and they are preoccupied with their futures rather than the team's future. There is nothing to gain. If you want Melo to know you tried, you keep leaking proposed deals like they are now and send word to Melo through back channels. You pin it on Denver, you don't submarine your own team to send a message. -Jitpal

[god shammgod]

This is why no matter how hard everyone cries, there is nothing we can do. Until they are ready to actually negotiate for real, Donnie can only wait.

"• More to the point, with every passing day, hope swells among Nuggets officials that they will be comfortable keeping Anthony for the rest of the season and dealing with trade possibilities then. Anthony’s recent 50-point game, and Denver’s thrilling, last-second victory over Dallas Thursday night –- with Arron Afflalo doing his best Melo impression with a buzzer-beater –- have done nothing to diminish those hopes. “They don’t want to trade him,” said a person familiar with the Nuggets’ strategy, explaining why Denver has engaged so many teams and gotten close before stopping short of closing the deal each time. “I don’t think they’re walking boldly into this transition. It’s more like walking the plank.” "

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/1467 ... -at-owners

i agree they'll drag this out till the end but i think they will trade him, and we'll probably give up 2 of 3.

[Jmonty580]

We all know this is going to come down to the wire, but every player besides Amare shouldn't be the deal breaker in a type of trade like this. I think alot info is going to swirl during All Star weekend because teams are on break and the media will have alot of access to Melo.

I dont think anyone is off the table, the question is how much do you give up. Ok, Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Felton, Mozgov, AR, they are all on the table. BUT you dont give up ALL of them to get melo. You have to figure out what is a fair combination of players imo. Gallo, Chandler, and Fields is alot to pay, they cant ask for much more if they get all three of them (outside of maybe a rautins or roger mason jr. types of players).

[Jitpal]

I would like to read one article showing us how the writer expects the lineup to be after a trade and how do we continue to improve to become a championship contender. Instead of the OMGZ it's melo you all.

Look at SAS, according to him Melo + Amare is instantly the 3rd best team in the east. He considers Mozgov a non-player. Fully supports Donnie sending Fields, Gallo and Chandler to Denver along with AR/1st rounder. What the hell is left? Felton/Billups, Bill Walker, Shawne Williams, Melo, Amare with Turiaf, Douglas and Roger Mason isn't winning you anything. -Jitpal

Yea for this season but in the offseason we fill in the pieces because we have the flexibility, we aren't playing for the Championship this season realistically, we are playing for the future.

So let me get this straight, you would be willing to miss the playoffs, swap picks with the Rockets(giving them a lottery pick), trading Gallinari, Randolph, Chandler, Fields and Mozgov from the team(all the young talent) for Melo? -Jitpal

[nyknicks2k2]

Celtics also had the 5th pick and Rondo. Celtics completely refused to move Rondo and now look at him. If we're going by the logic of "**** it, move everyone" then he would've been in that deal as well. They also were able to move the 5th pick for Ray Allen which helped start up the KG deal in the first place.

Point is, yeah, value wise they don't match up to Melo. Does that mean we should send out all our assets? No. Melo and Amare aren't even going to win us a division title.

Understood.

Im not saying "sell the farm".

Donnie needs to be able tokeep Gallo IMO because I feel at 22 he has great potnetial to be a great 6th man for us. If it comes down to Chandler, Fields, Curry, AR and if have to, Mozgov, I pull the trigger.

I would definitely want to keep Moz.

I don't think he's the 2nd coming or anything crazy like that but who's our big man after a deal like this? We always complain about small ball and no rebounding but we'll happily ship out our only legit C? That seems highly counterproductive. We're basically giving up this yr in hopes of landing a ton of depth next year.

[knicks742]

We all know this is going to come down to the wire, but every player besides Amare shouldn't be the deal breaker in a type of trade like this. I think alot info is going to swirl during All Star weekend because teams are on break and the media will have alot of access to Melo.

I dont think anyone is off the table, the question is how much do you give up. Ok, Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Felton, Mozgov, AR, they are all on the table. BUT you dont give up ALL of them to get melo. You have to figure out what is a fair combination of players imo. Gallo, Chandler, and Fields is alot to pay, they cant ask for much more if they get all three of them (outside of maybe a rautins or roger mason jr. types of players).

Yup. I am willing to give up Landry and Gallo but, if so, they are taking Curry and I am keeping AR to make a move that benefits us (ie getting the pick from Minny for ourselves instead of sending it to Denver) and they don't get the $20 million in cash. If that's what they want, I am fine with that.