[Camelo Thread Part 17] - Denver makes trade offer p58

mookknicks · Post #161 » by **mookknicks** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:14 am

Anyone who cites Incarcerated Bob should be banned.

The guy is completely clueless and has absolutely zero sources. He reported that Andy Reid was going to be fired on Sunday, never happened.

I called him out on twitter for it and he blocked me because he's a fraud

knicks9784 · Post #162 » by **knicks9784** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:18 am

Demyze wrote:This boy is just a pure animal, Reminds me of Kobe sometimes, I love how he has all around game unlike Lebron who can't hit a 3 for his life.

Enjoy
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhX7LyP-yCw[/youtube]

hes a level below lebron and kobe no matter how you cut it, lets not compare him to those two

Future Soldier · Post #163 » by **Future Soldier** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:18 am

Demyze wrote:Melo is more of a universal all around player balanced.

what the fiery hell are you TALKING ABOUT?

Lebron does EVERYTHING. Play D, rebound, pass like a mini-Magic Johnson, and can score at will. Melo does ONE thing great, and he rebounds decently as well. Lebron can put up a triple double on any given night, can Melo?

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #164 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:20 am

Clyde_Style wrote:NEWS FLASH

Incarcerated Bob says:

"Sun will miraculously rise in the morning. Negotiations to change interplanetary rotations going nowhere."

"Carmelo will be a day older tomorrow. This worries him. May endanger Knicks chances over Melo's fears of growing old before trade deadline."

knicks9784 · Post #165 » by **knicks9784** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:21 am

Future Soldier wrote:
Demyze wrote:Melo is more of a universal all around player balanced.

what the fiery hell are you TALKING ABOUT?

Lebron does EVERYTHING. Play D, rebound, pass like a mini-Magic Johnson, and can score at will. Melo does ONE thing great, and he rebounds decently as well. Lebron can put up a triple double on any given night, can Melo?

yeah thats one of the more ridiculous quotes ive seen on here, unless he was comparing melo to matt fish

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #166 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:26 am

Knicker23 wrote:
ORANGEandBLUE wrote:I find it hard to believe how opinionated some people are on the subject of whether it's better to trade for Melo now or bite the bullet and hope he becomes a free agent. Personally, I have no clue what the better choice is. I think we can all agree that it comes down to weighing (a) how much better off we'd be by ending up with Melo, whether now or during the summer against (b) the risk that he doesn't sign here during the summer (although at times I see people saying we should just throw in some of Gallo/Fields/Chandler as if they are dime-a-dozen role players; I assume these people are exaggerating).

But anyway, accepting that the critical factor here is the risk that he signs the extension with Denver or somewhere else, I don't see how anybody can claim to have a solid stance on the issue. The degree of risk posed by waiting till the summer involved a ton of unknown variables- how will the cap situation play out being by far the haziest, but also how much Melo values the extra money, and how much control Lala has over the situation- where do you even begin to get a grasp on all this murkiness?

I will say this though; I trust Walsh, not just because he's got a great track record, but I gotta believe the guy is as free from Dolan's influence as any GM ever has been. I think at his age, the threat of being fired by Dolan just doesn't phase him. So I think things will work out.

^^ I agree, the murkiness and variables that come with not getting Melo asap are not worth the benefits of holding out on him.

Yeah but for me the murkiness doesn't cut one way or another. The risk of him not signing this summer could be anywhere from .5% to 50%. If it's .5, I'd say you gotta wait.

If I had to make a decision based on what is knowable by us fans right now; I'd say wait, because my attitude is championship or bust. I think to get past Miami, Chicago, and OKC these next few years, we're gonna need to cross our fingers and hope that both Gallo and Fields pan out.

Knicker23 · Post #167 » by **Knicker23** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:28 am

I must say, I got a good chuckle out of the Knick poster who made a "we want Wilson Chandler" thread in the denver forum - even though it was locked and warned soon thereafter :lol:

NYsportsfan6230 · Post #168 » by **NYsportsfan6230** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:29 am

Yea Lebron is definitely a level above Melo. It's really not even fair to compare the two, as Future Soldier mentioned Lebron can pretty much do everything (except he doesn't shoot threes at an amazing clip) and Melo's game is a lot more limited to scoring and rebounding occassionally.

With that said I am perfectly fine with getting someone who is a level below a Lebron because we have Amar'e and Amar'e is better than Bosh imo. I think in a game the Melo vs Lebron matchup usually evens out, and I can see Amar'e being better than Bosh.

Really quick, assuming we trade Chandler and Gallo to DEN:

Felton/Billups > Chamlers
Fields < Wade
Melo = Lebron
Amar'e > Bosh
Gasol,Dalembert, Moz at least = Big Z

I think that would be a very fun series to watch.

Context · Post #169 » by **Context** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:30 am

As long as Minny is involved a Melo trade will be announced on the 21st. That's my prediction.

vallen · Post #170 » by **vallen** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:32 am

NYsportsfan6230 wrote:Yea Lebron is definitely a level above Melo. It's really not even fair to compare the two, as Future Soldier mentioned Lebron can pretty much do everything (except he doesn't shoot threes at an amazing clip) and Melo's game is a lot more limited to scoring and rebounding occassionally.

With that said I am perfectly fine with getting someone who is a level below a Lebron because we have Amar'e and Amar'e is better than Bosh imo. I think in a game the Melo vs Lebron matchup usually evens out, and I can see Amar'e being better than Bosh.

Really quick, assuming we trade Chandler and Gallo to DEN:

Felton/Billups > Chamlers
Fields < Wade
Melo = Lebron
Amar'e > Bosh
Gasol,Dalembert, Moz at least = Big Z

I think that would be a very fun series to watch.

how did we get Melo, Gasol, and Dalembert ?

Future Soldier · Post #171 » by **Future Soldier** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:32 am

pressure would be on Fields to stay with Wade....might be too much for the rook.

the Heat play 10x better team and man to man D than we do though....not only can they score with the best of them, they can shut you down for long stretches as well. I think if we're ever gonna beat the Heat in a playoff series, assuming we get Melo, D'antoni won't be the coach to get us past them. He never could beat better defensive teams out West when it mattered, and he won't in the East, where it's even tougher.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #172 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:35 am

Don't forget they will be getting Haslem back as well who at least at this point, is better than Moz. I don't think we can take Miami in a series unless all our young guys pan out.

Knicker23 · Post #173 » by **Knicker23** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:37 am

To say we wouldn't make a series out of a matchup against Miami with Melo on this squad would be underestimating... Have people been paying attention to how he has been playing lately, he is in a league of his own on the offensive end right now.... Add him to this system, and put him beside another offensive giant in Melo - it would be a great series..

Obviously who else is on our squad would be important.. but If we were to pull something off like holding onto Fields, grabbing Aaron Brooks, and getting Dalembert (if that's even possible) - I could see us being very competitive - against any team...

Would Boston and Miami still have the upper hand - yeah probably....but we'd be able to beat anyone on a given night, and tbh, in a 7 game series too.

Future Soldier · Post #174 » by **Future Soldier** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:42 am

Knicker23 wrote:To say we wouldn't make a series out of a matchup against Miami with Melo on this squad would be underestimating... Have people been paying attention to how he has been playing lately, he is in a league of his own on the offensive end right now.... Add him to this system, and put him beside another offensive giant in Melo - it would be a great series..

could we make a series out of it with Melo? Absolutely. Could we beat them with Carmar'e and no size? Nah. Defense wins in the playoffs. Every time. The Heat would kill us in a half court game defensively. We'd need to pick up a couple other legit big men and tighten up our defensive scheme to BEAT them, not just hang with them.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #175 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:45 am

OKC and Chicago also scare me. OKC has a ton of assets; I don't know if anybody say the article about them trading for Kevin Love (NOT a rumor, just a hypothetical), but it did not seem that implausible. They are definitely in position to get a third stud. Chicago just has to trade Asik and Cha's 1st rounder for a competent SG and they become deadly too. We are going to need a ton of breaks just to have a shot against these teams.

Joseph17 · Post #176 » by **Joseph17** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:53 am

If Melo goes to the Knicks you'll be seeing a lot of me on these forums. I'm the first to admit that I'm not a true Knicks fan and that I'm more of a player fan, but Melo is one of my favorite players and I live in NY so the combination of those two things is going to motivate me to watch the Knicks. I also despise the Heat and I would love to see NY upset them in the playoffs. A lot of people think Melo is overrated, but I think he's actually underrated if anything. NY could definitely do some damage in the playoffs if they get him.

Joseph17 · Post #177 » by **Joseph17** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:57 am

Future Soldier wrote:
Knicker23 wrote:To say we wouldn't make a series out of a matchup against Miami with Melo on this squad would be underestimating... Have people been paying attention to how he has been playing lately, he is in a league of his own on the offensive end right now.... Add him to this system, and put him beside another offensive giant in Melo - it would be a great series..

could we make a series out of it with Melo? Absolutely. Could we beat them with Carmar'e and no size? Nah. Defense wins in the playoffs. Every time. The Heat would kill us in a half court game defensively. We'd need to pick up a couple other legit big men and tighten up our defensive scheme to BEAT them, not just hang with them.

The Heat really don't have a lot of size either. They have Z, but besides him they really don't have a lot of size. I think NY would have an outside shot at beating them especially with a motivated Melo. He's the best scorer in the entire league imo, and if you combine that with Melo and a decent supporting cast I think they have an outside shot.

adog50 · Post #178 » by **adog50** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:05 am

My guess is Denver will be stingy and hold on to Anthony, i dont see this happening. As much as i want this to go down, i just think that it wont happen. And all hell will break loose.

Knicksrule2k4 · Post #179 » by **Knicksrule2k4** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:07 am

adog50 wrote:My guess is Denver will be stingy and hold on to Anthony, i dont see this happening. As much as i want this to go down, i just think that it wont happen. And all hell will break loose.

Sadly, I agree with you..

Clyde_Style · Post #180 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:08 am

Don't forget Melo is not the only trade that will happen. Knicks may make other moves.