Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

[Silk Wilkes]

I think Marvin WIlliams was more of an inside player that added some range to his jumper. Barnes is a jumpshooter who needs to work on getting easy buckets when his jumper is off, which it seemingly has been all year. I don't really see the high IQ that everyone talks about with Barnes. I see a kid who knows some advanced fakes to throw off his defender, but I don't really see a guy that sees the floor well, knows how to find open spaces, knows when to turn down a good shot for a better shot. But apparently he works like a pig on his game, so there's a good chance he'll turn out decent.

Not that I don't believe you, but do you have any proof of this? I just need something to keep my hopes up if we do in fact draft him.

http://thegazette.com/2010/01/05/chicago-tribune-harrison-barnes-has-the-drive-and-the-jump-shot-to-be-nations-top-basketball-recruit/

Might have some mommy issues, though.

That work ethic is really the only thing that keeps me believing that he could turn into a player. I'm pulling for him even though I might sound critical.

Thanks a lot! It's much appreciated.

[sunny]

basketball ability aside, Barnes is everything you want from a prospect.
He hasnt shown the ability to take over games on his own. Not that I think he needs to, but im sure he will be a top pick either way.

[Doctorb23]

anyone watch Vanderbilt yesterdAY? If we have our second back from Dallas, I wouldn't be sad if we snagged John Jenkins. I haven't watched him before but he had a great game, and even though he's only a 6'4'' SG, he is shooting 42% from three, shooting over 7 attempts per game. picked up some contested rebounds, didn't shy away from defense, I think I even saw him block a shot from a big man inside the key.

[fredericklove]

I think Marvin WIlliams was more of an inside player that added some range to his jumper. Barnes is a jumpshooter who needs to work on getting easy buckets when his jumper is off, which it seemingly has been all year. I don't really see the high IQ that everyone talks about with Barnes. I see a kid who knows some advanced fakes to throw off his defender, but I don't really see a guy that sees the floor well, knows how to find open spaces, knows when to turn down a good shot for a better shot. But apparently he works like a pig on his game, so there's a good chance he'll turn out decent.

Not that I don't believe you, but do you have any proof of this? I just need something to keep my hopes up if we do in fact draft him.

I think golddragon posted an article about barnes a page ago that talks about how during high school he had the ball in his hand all the time and was able to drive easily but now in college he has to learn to play off-ball and learn how to avoid the defenders once he drives.

Let's just say it takes quite abit of time for him to adjust to new things but like youngblood says, he's an extreme hardworker. For instance, he even practices his shooting till late at night on the first day of practice. That shows you he has the heart and wants to get better.

I wouldn't say he has a HIGH HIGH IQ, but he's got really good fundamentals such as finishing with contacts and takes advantage on transition fast break and he's got a very very good shooting form, he's starting to use his triple threat moves a whole lot better now (e.g. advanced shot fakes, fakes to the right or left).

He's very vocal and communicates well with his teammates, and ever since marshall has taken over the starter role he's having discussion with marshall on where to spot him for open 3. To be honest, when his shots fall its crazy, he can knock down 3 pointers 3 times in a row. He's always looked for better shots in last few games, he doesn't force as much like how he used to in early games where he takes low FG% shots, now he looks for better shots and look to attack when there's advantages.

[Dr Positivity]

Does Barnes remind anyone else of Marvin Williams? I hope not...

Harrison Barnes looks every bit like Marvin. He'll probably look like a stud during the one on ones and get drafted in the top 5. He has picked it up lately but what are the strengths of his game? what does he use to dominate opponents? Marvin had a nice smooth game in college too but never really dominated any one thing.

The thing about Barnes is it's looking very unlikely he's a great on ball player. He's been a disaster on ball this year and creating off the dribble, it's his off ball play and hitting 3s that had him pick it up lately

For that reason I think he looks much more like a 3rd option d/3pters guy, like a cross between Luol Deng, Shane Battier, and Wes Johnson's future role in Minnesota

This is fine and dandy from about the 5th pick down. But we shouldn't take him over Perry Jones, Valanciunas, or Kanter - or obviously Irving. We need to roll the dice to get an all-star this draft

[TheRealDeal]

All eyes on D-Will tonight. Nationally televised game with no other teams playing.

[kidKompton]

Does Barnes remind anyone else of Marvin Williams? I hope not...

Harrison Barnes looks every bit like Marvin. He'll probably look like a stud during the one on ones and get drafted in the top 5. He has picked it up lately but what are the strengths of his game? what does he use to dominate opponents? Marvin had a nice smooth game in college too but never really dominated any one thing.

The thing about Barnes is it's looking very unlikely he's a great on ball player. He's been a disaster on ball this year and creating off the dribble, it's his off ball play and hitting 3s that had him pick it up lately

For that reason I think he looks much more like a 3rd option d/3pters guy, like a cross between Luol Deng, Shane Battier, and Wes Johnson's future role in Minnesota

This is fine and dandy from about the 5th pick down. But we shouldn't take him over Perry Jones, Valanciunas, or Kanter - or obviously Irving. We need to roll the dice to get an all-star this draft

Barnes would be drafted over a guy like Kanter because no one has seen him play at the college level, he could of been much like Barnes, where he was good in High school but was not very productive in college. My point is, if Barnes was to sit out a season he would be picked #1 because of all the hype around him coming out of high school thus we shouldnt draft Kanter just based on what we saw from him in high school.

[sunny]

All eyes on D-Will tonight. Nationally televised game with no other teams playing.

against arizonas biggest rival. ASU is last in the pac 10 and U of A is n first.

The only thing to worry about is that ASU has had 8 days to prepare for the game, and this is the highlight of their season.

[TheRealDeal]

All eyes on D-Will tonight. Nationally televised game with no other teams playing.

against arizonas biggest rival. ASU is last in the pac 10 and U of A is n first.

The only thing to worry about is that ASU has had 8 days to prepare for the game, and this is the highlight of their season.

Who do you think is going to win?

edit: betting my friend- Arizona favored by 5

[sunny]

Barnes would be drafted over a guy like Kanter because no one has seen him play at the college level, he could of been much like Barnes, where he was good in High school but was not very productive in college. My point is, if Barnes was to sit out a season he would be picked #1 because of all the hype around him coming out of high school thus we shouldnt draft Kanter just based on what we saw from him in high school.

Kanter didn't play highschool basketball, he played "professionally" in europe. He got rejected from every american highschool he applied to.

Barnes was not really a consensus number 1 coming out of HS last year. Not that the rankings mean anything, but I doubt he would have gone first if he didnt play this year.

[sunny]

All eyes on D-Will tonight. Nationally televised game with no other teams playing.

against arizonas biggest rival. ASU is last in the pac 10 and U of A is n first.

The only thing to worry about is that ASU has had 8 days to prepare for the game, and this is the highlight of their season.

Who do you think is going to win?

Arizona is my favourite team
I am calling for a 15+ victory.

I'm not sure if D Will's hand is gonna be taped up today.
ASU plays the slowest paced game ever and they are going to play the zone (arizona doesn't have a real pg) and try and make it impossible for d will to touch the ball.

[sunny]

as bad as asu is though,
the pac 10 refs wont let a road team dominate.

you will be shocked to see how terrible the reffing is tonight.

[kidKompton]

Barnes would be drafted over a guy like Kanter because no one has seen him play at the college level, he could of been much like Barnes, where he was good in High school but was not very productive in college. My point is, if Barnes was to sit out a season he would be picked #1 because of all the hype around him coming out of high school thus we shouldnt draft Kanter just based on what we saw from him in high school.

Kanter didn't play highschool basketball, he played "professionally" in europe. He got rejected from every american highschool he applied to.

Barnes was not really a consensus number 1 coming out of HS last year. Not that the rankings mean anything, but I doubt he would have gone first if he didnt play this year.

If i do remember correctly, Barnes was a conseus #1 people were comparing him to elite NBA players. So many big programs were after him because of the hype.

Also, i dont think you understood what i ment, which was my fault i said high school when i ment to say prep schhol sorry about that. Kanter played at Stone Ridge Prep and this was after he played over seas.

[sunny]

Barnes would be drafted over a guy like Kanter because no one has seen him play at the college level, he could of been much like Barnes, where he was good in High school but was not very productive in college. My point is, if Barnes was to sit out a season he would be picked #1 because of all the hype around him coming out of high school thus we shouldnt draft Kanter just based on what we saw from him in high school.

Kanter didn't play highschool basketball, he played "professionally" in europe. He got rejected from every american highschool he applied to.

Barnes was not really a consensus number 1 coming out of HS last year. Not that the rankings mean anything, but I doubt he would have gone first if he didnt play this year.

If i do remember correctly, Barnes was a conseus #1 people were comparing him to elite NBA players. So many big programs were after him because of the hype.

Also, i dont think you understood what i ment, which was my fault i said high school when i ment to say prep schhol sorry about that. Kanter played at Stone Ridge Prep and this was after he played over seas.

as I said earlier, highschool rankings mean absolutely nothing. You can go check rivals rankings thought which are generally the most trusted anyways and see that Selby is number 1 over Barnes. Big programs go after a ton of players.

If Kanter were accepted to a program like findley, then people would put more stock into it. I think if he goes top 5, it will only because he has an insanely good workout or something like that.

just my opinion

[fredericklove]

How's Derrick Williams' performance tonight? I watched the raptors, didn't watch the arz game.

[TheRealDeal]

How's Derrick Williams' performance tonight? I watched the raptors, didn't watch the arz game.

the game hasn't started

[sunny]

How's Derrick Williams' performance tonight? I watched the raptors, didn't watch the arz game.

TUNE IN STARTING AT 9:15

(prepare for the worst reffing you will ever see)

[sunny]

google:
(LIVE) NCAA HOOP SUNDAY (ON AIR)

and go down till like 5

[sunny]

my excitement level is increasing.

BEAR DOWN!

[5DOM]

Thanks sunny. I'll go watch after this Justin Bieber performance