[Camelo Thread Part 17] - Denver makes trade offer p58

[NYK0605]

If at the deadline the proposed deal from Denver is Chandler, Gallo, Mozgov, and a pick I guess from AR...you have to pull the trigger.

And if Pringles is resistant on giving up his pet than Walsh should tell him to pack his bags and off to Denver you go too.

[NYsportsfan6230]

1. We are obviously still in negotiations. Hence hearing about a different offer everyday.
2. Mike is right
3. It said Denver wants Chandler, Gallo, and Moz. Denver can f*ck itself.

That is definitely a steep price to pay.

As much as I would prefer to keep Gallo, it also doesn't make much sense to have another SF with Melo here. I don't think Gallo or Chandler can be a PF on a contending team, I am also not sure if they could play SG. I also am not sure if Moz is really going to be that good.

I think if it were just Gallo, Chandler, Moz, and Curry then I may consider it, just for the reason of them both being SF's.

[seren]

3) "Denver wants Wilson Gallo and Moz" - who would not do that deal if push came to shove? We'd have to find a big though, that's for sure..

This is my concern too. Basically we will be tying 40 million to essentially two forwards with no flexibility to add a quality big man. Mozgov looks like he can play significant minutes and produce consistently. Can we find another Mozgov with the mid-level? I highly doubt that. I would do Wilson and Gallo if it means we are not adding anything else significant.

[GONYK]

If at the deadline the proposed deal from Denver is Chandler, Gallo, Mozgov, and a pick I guess from AR...you have to pull the trigger.

And if Pringles is resistant on giving up his pet than Walsh should tell him to pack his bags and off to Denver you go too.

There is no way you do that deal without getting some compensation back from Denver outside of Anthony. Serious compensation. That is 60% of our starting lineup.

You guys are desperate.

[GONYK]

1. We are obviously still in negotiations. Hence hearing about a different offer everyday.
2. Mike is right
3. It said Denver wants Chandler, Gallo, and Moz. Denver can f*ck itself.

That is definitely a steep price to pay.

As much as I would prefer to keep Gallo, it also doesn't make much sense to have another SF with Melo here. I don't think Gallo or Chandler can be a PF on a contending team, I am also not sure if they could play SG. I also am not sure if Moz is really going to be that good.

I think if it were just Gallo, Chandler, Moz, and Curry then I may consider it, just for the reason of them both being SF's.

Melo will play PF here

[towelie]

If at the deadline the proposed deal from Denver is Chandler, Gallo, Mozgov, and a pick I guess from AR...you have to pull the trigger.

And if Pringles is resistant on giving up his pet than Walsh should tell him to pack his bags and off to Denver you go too.

There is no way you do that deal without getting some compensation back from Denver outside of Anthony. Serious compensation. That is 60% of our starting lineup.

You guys are desperate.

NJ was giving up Favors + lottery 1st, and that team was absolutely desperate to get Melo. We'd be giving up 2 starters and 2 of our best big prospects (AR, Mozgov) for Melo. Waaay too steep of a price. If push came to shove, I'd give Gallo/Chandler/AR, but then I would take no bad contracts back. If they want us to take Harrington, we keep one of Gallo or Chandler off the table.

[GONYK]

If at the deadline the proposed deal from Denver is Chandler, Gallo, Mozgov, and a pick I guess from AR...you have to pull the trigger.

And if Pringles is resistant on giving up his pet than Walsh should tell him to pack his bags and off to Denver you go too.

There is no way you do that deal without getting some compensation back from Denver outside of Anthony. Serious compensation. That is 60% of our starting lineup.

You guys are desperate.

NJ was giving up Favors + lottery 1st, and that team was absolutely desperate to get Melo. We'd be giving up 2 starters and 2 of our best big prospects (AR, Mozgov) for Melo. Waaay too steep of a price. If push came to shove, I'd give Gallo/Chandler/AR, but then I would take no bad contracts back. If they want us to take Harrington, we keep one of Gallo or Chandler off the table.

Exactly. We shouldn't be approaching anything close to NJ's offer.

[K_ick_God]

Though no formal offers have been made by the Knicks, it has been clear that - with the knowledge that Anthony prefers to be in New York with a three-year, $65-million extension as part of the trade - they believe they have some leverage in negotiations with Denver.

The Nuggets, however, have maintained a stance that they won't trade Anthony if they're not satisfied with an offer for him.

Newsday reported Saturday that the Nuggets have been talking with other teams, with the Rockets as one dark-horse candidate, and also are interested in re-engaging talks with the Nets. Perhaps it's posturing, but the Knicks are concerned, the source said.

ESPN reported Friday that the Nuggets want Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari and Timofey Mozgov, along with multiple first-round picks, from the Knicks. That's a steep price that has led to some debate within the Knicks' hierarchy, according to multiple sources.

Mike D'Antoni, two sources said, is putting up the most resistance against giving up so many young players. Donnie Walsh has long been in favor of adding Anthony, whom he has told confidants is one of the toughest players in the league. Team owner James Dolan, multiple sources say, is on board with making the investment to add another star to join $100-million man Amar'e Stoudemire.

Where was this from?

[Knicker23]

1) How have we not given them a formal deal - I don't understand.....

2) Appears as though MDA is the one being unwilling to part with too many young guys right now, and Donnie / Dolan are both behind getting Anthony...

3) "Denver wants Wilson Gallo and Moz" - who would not do that deal if push came to shove? We'd have to find a big though, that's for sure..

1. We are obviously still in negotiations. Hence hearing about a different offer everyday.
2. Mike is right
3. It said Denver wants Chandler, Gallo, and Moz. Denver can f*ck itself.

Yeah I don't understand why they don't just get on the phone and work something out though [if that is possible right now]... "we want this and that".. "we'll give you that and this"... "this is too much, how bout that and this" - until a deal is reached... No formal deal proposed sounded like they haven't taken any real steps towards making something happen... but I guess what I mentioned can be done with out a "formal" deal proposed..

Perhaps Moz would be too much, but 2/3 I don't think is worth putting your foot down.

[seren]

The funny thing about some of the guys here is that they act as if AR is not a price we are paying. Funnier thing is some of these guys who do not even mention AR are actually MD haters who want him fired. AR is a prospect. He is a big man. We are giving up on him. You have to add him to the discussion. AR and Chandler are two young players already. Asking for two more is crazy. Especially asking for Mozgov. Seriously, how are we going to add a quality big man when we are giving up two of them?

[NYK0605]

If at the deadline the proposed deal from Denver is Chandler, Gallo, Mozgov, and a pick I guess from AR...you have to pull the trigger.

And if Pringles is resistant on giving up his pet than Walsh should tell him to pack his bags and off to Denver you go too.

There is no way you do that deal without getting some compensation back from Denver outside of Anthony. Serious compensation. That is 60% of our starting lineup.

You guys are desperate.

Desperate?

Yeah...actually I am. Im sorry that I am sick of seeing guys like Kobe and Lebron light up the Garden every time they come here. Sorry that I actually want a competitive team back here and the only way to do so is to get Melo which could potentially lead to CP3/Deron.

You guys are so pathetic nutthugging our young players who in reality couldn't carry Melo's jockstrap. We are still keeping Fields in that deal. We could always find a guy just like Mozgov with MLE/cheap signing. Guys will be linnig up to come here. Gallo wouldn't even be able to be resigned most likely in 2012 with a chance at a 3rd star. Enough already with being so reluctant about giving up our guys. We would still keep Fields and maybe even AR too and im sure Walsh would get maybe JR Smith back. I also don't believe it will come down to the deal. I believe in Walsh. He is a veteran dealing with rookies. I am not telling him to do that deal now but if it comes down to that at 2:59, you need to pull the trigger.

[Knicker23]

Though no formal offers have been made by the Knicks, it has been clear that - with the knowledge that Anthony prefers to be in New York with a three-year, $65-million extension as part of the trade - they believe they have some leverage in negotiations with Denver.

The Nuggets, however, have maintained a stance that they won't trade Anthony if they're not satisfied with an offer for him.

Newsday reported Saturday that the Nuggets have been talking with other teams, with the Rockets as one dark-horse candidate, and also are interested in re-engaging talks with the Nets. Perhaps it's posturing, but the Knicks are concerned, the source said.

ESPN reported Friday that the Nuggets want Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari and Timofey Mozgov, along with multiple first-round picks, from the Knicks. That's a steep price that has led to some debate within the Knicks' hierarchy, according to multiple sources.

Mike D'Antoni, two sources said, is putting up the most resistance against giving up so many young players. Donnie Walsh has long been in favor of adding Anthony, whom he has told confidants is one of the toughest players in the league. Team owner James Dolan, multiple sources say, is on board with making the investment to add another star to join $100-million man Amar'e Stoudemire.

Where was this from?

Mr. Hahn.

[GONYK]

Yeah I don't understand why they don't just get on the phone and work something out though [if that is possible right now]... "we want this and that".. "we'll give you that and this"... "this is too much, how bout that and this" - until a deal is reached... No formal deal proposed sounded like they haven't taken any real steps towards making something happen... but I guess what I mentioned can be done with out a "formal" deal proposed..

Perhaps Moz would be too much, but 2/3 I don't think is worth putting your foot down.

Agreed. I wouldn't let 2/3 get in the way of making a deal, but like I have already said Denver has to make it clear that the deal gets done if we do that. No negotiating on top of that.

[Pharmcat]

Though no formal offers have been made by the Knicks, it has been clear that - with the knowledge that Anthony prefers to be in New York with a three-year, $65-million extension as part of the trade - they believe they have some leverage in negotiations with Denver.

The Nuggets, however, have maintained a stance that they won't trade Anthony if they're not satisfied with an offer for him.

Newsday reported Saturday that the Nuggets have been talking with other teams, with the Rockets as one dark-horse candidate, and also are interested in re-engaging talks with the Nets. Perhaps it's posturing, but the Knicks are concerned, the source said.

ESPN reported Friday that the Nuggets want Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari and Timofey Mozgov, along with multiple first-round picks, from the Knicks. That's a steep price that has led to some debate within the Knicks' hierarchy, according to multiple sources.

Mike D'Antoni, two sources said, is putting up the most resistance against giving up so many young players. Donnie Walsh has long been in favor of adding Anthony, whom he has told confidants is one of the toughest players in the league. Team owner James Dolan, multiple sources say, is on board with making the investment to add another star to join $100-million man Amar'e Stoudemire.

1) How have we not given them a formal deal - I don't understand.....

2) Appears as though MDA is the one being unwilling to part with too many young guys right now, and Donnie / Dolan are both behind getting Anthony...

3) "Denver wants Wilson Gallo and Moz" - who would not do that deal if push came to shove? We'd have to find a big though, that's for sure..

1) yea that is pretty pathetic, come on donnie
2) can him
3) i believe SAS said it was just posturing asking for all of them, and that 2/3 gets it done

[Starksfor3]

I'm standing firm. Gallo and Fields are off the table along with the obvious (Amar'e). I'd take back bad contracts to make it happen with anyone else on the squad involved. If not, wait until the offseason and take your chances.

[seren]

Mozgov should be untouchable. Never trade big for small.

Unless the big is Curry.

[Pharmcat]

Mozgov should be untouchable. Never trade big for small.

Unless the big is Curry.

how did oden over durant turn out?

[GONYK]

Yeah...actually I am. Im sorry that I am sick of seeing guys like Kobe and Lebron light up the Garden every time they come here. Sorry that I actually want a competitive team back here and the only way to do so is to get Melo which could potentially lead to CP3/Deron.

You guys are so pathetic nutthugging our young players who in reality couldn't carry Melo's jockstrap. We are still keeping Fields in that deal. We could always find a guy just like Mozgov with MLE/cheap signing. Guys will be linnig up to come here. Gallo wouldn't even be able to be resigned most likely in 2012 with a chance at a 3rd star. Enough already with being so reluctant about giving up our guys. We would still keep Fields and maybe even AR too and im sure Walsh would get maybe JR Smith back. I also don't believe it will come down to the deal. I believe in Walsh. He is a veteran dealing with rookies. I am not telling him to do that deal now but if it comes down to that at 2:59, you need to pull the trigger.

Posters like you completely miss the point. It's not about whether Moz and Gallo will ever be as good as Melo. It's about paying more than you have to and gutting the team for no reason.

How do people constantly miss this?

Also, stop bringing up what might happen to Gallo in 2012. Somebody has to play the games until then, and I would much rather have Gallo than not have him.

[GONYK]

Mozgov should be untouchable. Never trade big for small.

Unless the big is Curry.

how did oden over durant turn out?

That's a dumb question and you know it.

[NYsportsfan6230]

Mozgov should be untouchable. Never trade big for small.

Unless the big is Curry.

how did oden over durant turn out?

How could Portland ever conceive that Oden would be hurt this much.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but if you go back that would be the choice every single time. Oden was the better player at that time and there was questions about Durant's lanky frame.

Obviously now you take Durant but if I was Portland I have nothing to feel bad about, they made the right choice at the time, they just had crap luck.