How should we draft?

Sandlot · Post #1 » by **Sandlot** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:47 pm

We are all talking about this in a few of the threads but I thought we could centralize it. I specifically want to talk about our first two picks. We are in a good place to make our team better. I think quarterback and secondary are priorities but we clearly have other needs. If possible I would try and get LSU's Peterson in the first and hope that Locker falls to us in the second. I like Mallett and if Newton fell to the second I might be interested. However, Locker was going to be the number one pick last year. I think there was a reason for that. I would love to see what Harbaugh could do with him, especially since his draft stock has fallen. This would let us get a starter on defense in the first and we could get a potential star QB in the second.

azwfan · Post #2 » by **azwfan** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:28 pm

I haven't seen a lot of Mallett, but what i did see i didn't like. He looked timid, not very accurate and in general I wasn't very impressed with his demeanor... but hey it was only 1 game.

I liked Locker a lot last year, but missed him this year. From my understanding he had a terrible year. Any chance he's available in the 3rd rd?

I'd like to get a big time pass rusher with our 1st rd pick.

Dalbi · Post #3 » by **Dalbi** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:41 am

azwfan wrote:Any chance he's available in the 3rd rd?

I don't see Locker getting out of early second round. The potential is too much.

From what I have seen any quarterback is not a good choice with out first pick. Corner is need so if Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukumara are available then we can get them. If not then a player I love is Von Miller. I know our secondary was awful but one rookie cornerback won't drastically improve that because last year multiple guys were always open. A good pass rusher will make quarterbacks have little time to throw and therefore make our secondary have less work to do.

Bac2Basics · Post #4 » by **Bac2Basics** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:44 am

I think a lot of this is going to depend on if they are going to put their primary focus as far as QB on a veteran or someone they plan on drafting, and if they plan on drafting, who they have zero-ed in on.

Other than the QB, I'd really like to see them get a big time pass rusher. I think there's been a lot of talk about the secondary, and the best way to help them is to get a guy that can make a big impact as far as getting some sacks. I'm not opposed to adding some secondary guys as well, but I think the pass rusher is the bigger priority

Dalbi · Post #5 » by **Dalbi** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:56 pm

After reading more about the quarterbacks and the senior bowl practices I am even more in support of passing on a quarterback in the first round. Quarterbacks like Andy Dalton and Ricky Stanzi showed potential and those are guys we can get in later rounds. I do not see a huge difference in the first round talent such as Gabbert and Locker compared to the later rounds. As we have seen with Alex Smith is a quarterback usually needs to sit for a while. Therefore lets get some players who can help now. Right now I would draft a pass rusher and cornerback in the first two rounds. Then use the other rounds to maybe trade for a veteran quarterback and pickup some potential quarterbacks. The later rounds can be used for the other positions we have needs for like offensive guard, d-line, secondary, and maybe an additional playmaker.

SmellingColors · Post #6 » by **SmellingColors** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:52 pm

azwfan wrote:I haven't seen a lot of Mallett, but what i did see i didn't like. He looked timid, not very accurate and in general I wasn't very impressed with his demeanor... but hey it was only 1 game.

I liked Locker a lot last year, but missed him this year. From my understanding he had a terrible year. Any chance he's available in the 3rd rd?

I'd like to get a big time pass rusher with our 1st rd pick.

Why would you want to get a big time pass rusher for a 1st rd pick when you have the option of getting a lock-down corner back in Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara? We need corner backs more than we need a pass rusher. Or at least that's how I see it.

thesack12 · Post #7 » by **thesack12** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:03 pm

CB, and QB must be addressed at the beggining of the draft, really the first 2 rounds IMO. Whether it be just drafting guys at those positions, or using those picks to trade for current NFL players at those positions. Just dont trade for VY, please.

That said, I wouldn't be shocked if Harbaugh doesn't take a Qube in this draft (at least not in the first couple rounds). Reason being, he may want to make an all out blitzkrieg effort to make a run at Andrew Luck in next year's draft. I doubt Frisco will get the #1 pick then, but it wouldn't surprise me if Harbaugh would offer up the farm to get ahold of Luck. If a Qube is taken high in this upcoming draft, there would be massive internal and external pressure to develop that guy so I don't think Haraugh would be able to make a spirited run at his boy Andy.

Sandlot · Post #8 » by **Sandlot** » Tue Feb 1, 2011 1:11 am

Von Miller looked great in Senior Bowl practices and I would not mind seeing him in a Niners uniform. I don't like any QB's enough to get them with one of our first two picks. I really liked Dalton's senior bowl week and would like to see us go after him in the third round or later.

Sandlot · Post #9 » by **Sandlot** » Tue Feb 1, 2011 1:13 am

Oh and I liked Locker a lot more before senior bowl week. He had way too many bad throws and I heard him compared to Alex Smith. That was enough for me.

thesack12 · Post #10 » by **thesack12** » Tue Feb 1, 2011 1:36 am

Sandlot wrote:Von Miller looked great in Senior Bowl practices and I would not mind seeing him in a Niners uniform......

Oh and I liked Locker a lot more before senior bowl week. He had way too many bad throws and I heard him compared to Alex Smith. That was enough for me.

Yeah, Von looks like an absolute stud. Dude was absolutely everywhere in the Sr bowl: was getting consistent pressure on the qubes, tackling the RB at or even behind the line of scrimmage, making uber athletic plays out in open space, and also caused a couple of penalties on the offense. I would also like to have him in Frisco, but I don't really see him making it past Zona @ 5.

Yeah, Locker was downright terrible in the Sr Bowl. He didnt make a single throw that I was impressed with, and actually was off target more often than not. He also got careless with the football a couple of times. I didnt hear that Alex comparison myself, but yeah it pretty much tells me what I need to know also, lol. I was never all that high on him anyways.

Dalbi · Post #11 » by **Dalbi** » Tue Feb 1, 2011 7:01 am

SmellingColors wrote:Why would you want to get a big time pass rusher for a 1st rd pick when you have the option of getting a lock-down corner back in Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara? We need corner backs more than we need a pass rusher.

Cornerback is extremely important, but this draft is loaded with cornerbacks so we could wait and grab one at the second or third round. Also free agency could be a great place for cornerbacks such as Nnamdi, Bengals Joseph, or Champ Bailey. Finally pass rush is just as important as cornerback. Sure we aren't the worst statistically in sacks but for anyone who watches the games it is obvious that we do not put enough pressure on the quarterback and good quarterbacks always torch us because they have time. Even with a good rookie corner we would still have same problem if pass rush is not addressed. A great pass rusher like Von Miller could improve our whole defense where as a good corner only improves one position really. My top three picks for this draft our Patrick Peterson, Von Miller, and then Prince Amukumara.

Dalbi · Post #12 » by **Dalbi** » Tue Feb 1, 2011 9:59 am

I think some good advice to how we should draft should be a focus on the teams in the Super Bowl. Both the Packers and Steelers were in the top five in yards allowed on defense and one and two in points allowed. This should point to the fact that everyone knows that defense wins championships. We should heavily focus on our defense. A veteran quarterback with decent skills can manage our offense with our talent on that side. We do not have to ignore the offense as we can look for a project quarterback, some o-line projects and depth, and then positions like running backs and receivers in later rounds. But our first rounds though need to be defense in pass rush and secondary.

Website · Post #13 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:43 am

I nominate Dalbi for Niners board mod.

Sandlot · Post #14 » by **Sandlot** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:52 pm

Nicky Nix Nook wrote:I nominate Dalbi for Niners board mod.

I second that!

Sandlot · Post #15 » by **Sandlot** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:55 pm

Dalbi wrote:I think some good advice to how we should draft should be a focus on the teams in the Super Bowl. Both the Packers and Steelers were in the top five in yards allowed on defense and one and two in points allowed. This should point to the fact that everyone knows that defense wins championships. We should heavily focus on our defense. A veteran quarterback with decent skills can manage our offense with our talent on that side.

Trent Dilfer won a superbowl with a great defense. I agree that should be the focus. If the class was loaded with great quarterbacks then I might be talking differently but there are great defensive players available that could make us a force for years to come.

SmellingColors · Post #16 » by **SmellingColors** » Wed Feb 2, 2011 8:41 pm

Dalbi wrote:
SmellingColors wrote:Why would you want to get a big time pass rusher for a 1st rd pick when you have the option of getting a lock-down corner back in Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara? We need corner backs more than we need a pass rusher.

Cornerback is extremely important, but this draft is loaded with cornerbacks so we could wait and grab one at the second or third round. Also free agency could be a great place for cornerbacks such as Nnamdi, Bengals Joseph, or Champ Bailey. Finally pass rush is just as important as cornerback. Sure we aren't the worst statistically in sacks but for anyone who watches the games it is obvious that we do not put enough pressure on the quarterback and good quarterbacks always torch us because they have time. Even with a good rookie corner we would still have same problem if pass rush is not addressed. A great pass rusher like Von Miller could improve our whole defense where as a good corner only improves one position really. My top three picks for this draft our Patrick Peterson, Von Miller, and then Prince Amukumara.

I like the way you think. Also, what about Nick Fairley for the defensive line?

Dalbi · Post #17 » by **Dalbi** » Thu Feb 3, 2011 2:27 am

Sandlot wrote:Also, what about Nick Fairley for the defensive line?

Nick Fairley does not fit our defensive scheme from what I have heard. He is such a high pick because he was a great 4-3 defensive tackle. What really matters is he will be taken way before the 49ers pick. If for some reason he slips then I would look to trade our pick possibly, but again unless something strange occurs he is going before number seven.

Sandlot · Post #18 » by **Sandlot** » Fri Feb 4, 2011 11:19 pm

It's not going to matter but I heard Fairley could play as a D end in a 3-4.

azwfan · Post #19 » by **azwfan** » Sat Feb 5, 2011 5:15 pm

SmellingColors wrote:Why would you want to get a big time pass rusher for a 1st rd pick when you have the option of getting a lock-down corner back in Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara? We need corner backs more than we need a pass rusher. Or at least that's how I see it.

Honestly, i didn't watch much college football this year so i am not as well educated as others on who is available and how they project to the NFL.

But just from a strategic standpoint, i would much rather have a stud pass rusher (or defensive linemen in general) than a shut down corner. A defense's ability to put pressure on the QB without blitzing is crucial. Having said that, if the talent level favors the CB as you seem to feel it does, then by all means we should go in that direction.

Sandlot · Post #20 » by **Sandlot** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:57 pm

It looks like Von Miller is going to go ahead of us. I saw a mock on ESPN that had Peterson dropping to us. I would be ok with that. I'm really hoping we grab a quarterback in the 3rd. I like andy dalton the most. I like kaepernick when I saw him play for Nevada but I'm not sure how his game translates to the NFL. I'm assuming that the top tier will all be gone too early.