[Camelo Thread Part 17] - Denver makes trade offer p58

[King of Troy]

Never make decisions on "maybes."

Maybe Carmelo falls into Amare and ends his career.

Maybe Carmelo becomes Michael Jordan.

Maybe Carmelo grows wings and starts shooting fire out of his ass.

These all "may" happen. All we can do is look at what Carmelo has done, and as to this date he has not shown the ability to make those around him better via playmaking or setting a tone defensively.

The question is are we better off building around Amare/Melo/Felton or keeping the status quo going?

If we stand pat we are no better than a team with Melo and most likely worse

But we would still be able to sign Melo via FA.

That is the point.

Risk getting him and maintaining depth. That is my entire point. Rather then put us into mediocrity for the next 6 years with no escape, let us take a homerun swing.

[god shammgod]

Sheridan making a lot of sense...

the steve nash thing makes a lot of sense to me. i was surprised he didn't leave to come here when he had the chance.

[MaseInYourFace]

That's the thing though we really don't know at all what Walsh has up his sleeve. You never know what he's thinking which is extremely nerve racking for us fans but is also a breath of freash of air in this day and age where GM's manipulate the press all the time. Walsh is crafty though and extremely smart. We will learn soon enough what his cards are...

[Pharmcat]

Sheridan making a lot of sense...

the steve nash thing makes a lot of sense to me. i was surprised he didn't leave to come here when he had the chance.

nash is too old

id much rather wait for the 2012 scenario

[johnnywishbone]

Here is an excellent analysis by one the premier statisticians on the planet right now:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... about-him/

In this article Nate Silver describes why Carmelo Anthony does make his teammates much better.

All that article states is that Melo draws significant defensive attention, thus giving his teammates cleaner looks. So in essence, he doesn't actively do anything. I can say the same thing about Amare.

I'll tell you this Nate Silver is a genius. He created the new model for baseball handicapping and predicted the outcome of the last two US elections down to a T. So, I would take what he says very seriously.

[Fury]

I don't think the Nash thing would conflict with the 2012 scenario. Either way that scenario is unlikely.

[MaseInYourFace]

Yeah I don't love the idea of bringing a much older Nash and officially becoming PHX east. If Nash were younger I could maybe see him playing a little D but at this point in his career, nah man. I think it also further entrenches us as a Dantoni team something I don't totally get excited about either. But Sheridan makes excellent rational points.

[vallen]

Sheridan making a lot of sense...

the steve nash thing makes a lot of sense to me. i was surprised he didn't leave to come here when he had the chance.

nash is too old

id much rather wait for the 2012 scenario

if we get Melo, what exactly is the 2012 scenario ? no way we have money for a 3rd...

[NYKat]

Never make decisions on "maybes."

Maybe Carmelo falls into Amare and ends his career.

Maybe Carmelo becomes Michael Jordan.

Maybe Carmelo grows wings and starts shooting fire out of his ass.

These all "may" happen. All we can do is look at what Carmelo has done, and as to this date he has not shown the ability to make those around him better via playmaking or setting a tone defensively.

The question is are we better off building around Amare/Melo/Felton or keeping the status quo going?

If we stand pat we are no better than a team with Melo and most likely worse

But we would still be able to sign Melo via FA.

That is the point.

Risk getting him and maintaining depth. That is my entire point. Rather then put us into mediocrity for the next 6 years with no escape, let us take a homerun swing.

But that's a gamble...

The question then becomes what is easier to do--

1) Find cheap effective role players to fit around Amare/Melo/Felton

Or

2)Find a complimentary to Amare that is as good as an All-NBA, top-5-at-his-position Carmelo Anthony?

I think the answer is pretty clear, dude

[god shammgod]

Sheridan making a lot of sense...

the steve nash thing makes a lot of sense to me. i was surprised he didn't leave to come here when he had the chance.

nash is too old

id much rather wait for the 2012 scenario

i'm not saying i want it, i could see mike wanting it though. maybe nash even becomes a backup at that time.

[K_ick_God]

This is my first time posting on this site, but I've been reading for weeks waiting for that day I check and see that Melo is a knick, here are my two cents:


1) Denver really reallly really really doesn't want to trade Melo unless they are blown away by an offer

2) Nuggets still believe as crazy as it may seem that Melo will sign the extension

3) Nuggets are hopeful that if there is a new CBA that something like a franchise tag will be put on players

4) Knicks do not want to give up everything for Melo

5) They might want to take the risk of signing him as a Free Agent

6) Dolan and most fans want Melo now

7) Donnie wants to make a trade, but Denver will never say the offer the knicks have is good enough

End result and is just a prediction: Melo stays with Denver. I think despite the knicks attempts, Denver would rather hold onto him and get Lebron'd then trade him to the knicks. I think the Denver front office will take a huge PR hit if they trade him to the knicks, I think they will find it easier to let him go, and then paint Melo as the villian

Very good first post and summary of the situation. I think you hit the nail on the head.

Agreed, good post. At the end of the day, Wilson Chandler is not worth the PR hit they'll take.

I too get the feeling that Denver is just going to keep him and try to call his bluff. But Melo may become even more agitated and determined to leave via free agency.

They will have to figure out what they're willing to do by early next week because if they want to really figure out where Melo's head is at on this, they should start working with him a few days before the deadline.

If they just make an executive decision to roll the dice and think that Melo will cave, I could see him becoming disgruntled quickly and taking matters into his own hands.

[King of Troy]

@ NYKAT

Did you not read my post?

I said it was a risk to wait for FA. No ****.

The point was that the risk was worth it. Without that risk, we'd be mediocre.

My point was that it was better to risk failure and compete for a championship then to take the safe route, gut the roster, and then be an ok team for the next 6 years.

I've also doubted the availability of these 'role players' that everyone keeps talking about, as though they are a dime a dozen. We need players, not roster fillers.

[K_ick_God]

The team that looks like it made a mistake is Chicago. They are winning a lot of games without Noah.

I'm sure if they had offered up Noah, they could have gotten back Nene.

Nene
Boozer
Melo
2-Guard
Rose

Wow.

[Subway Token]

The team that looks like it made a mistake is Chicago. They are winning a lot of games without Noah.

I'm sure if they had offered up Noah, they could have gotten back Nene.

Nene
Boozer
Melo
2-Guard
Rose

Wow.

Dynasty won't even front.

[Context]

The team that looks like it made a mistake is Chicago. They are winning a lot of games without Noah.

I'm sure if they had offered up Noah, they could have gotten back Nene.

Nene
Boozer
Melo
2-Guard
Rose

Wow.

The only problem with that is Deng has back issues and his contract is not insurable. Not to mention, Denver wouldn't have taken Deng. And name me one team that would have?

[GONYK]

The team that looks like it made a mistake is Chicago. They are winning a lot of games without Noah.

I'm sure if they had offered up Noah, they could have gotten back Nene.

Nene
Boozer
Melo
2-Guard
Rose

Wow.

Denver was never taking Deng.

[MaseInYourFace]

The team that looks like it made a mistake is Chicago. They are winning a lot of games without Noah.

I'm sure if they had offered up Noah, they could have gotten back Nene.

Nene
Boozer
Melo
2-Guard
Rose

Wow.

Good point my man. I think they really didn't want to stray too much away from what they are doing with Thibs and they see Noah as a big part of that. It really would be unfair to put a 1st year coach in an uncomfortable spot like that. Nene is overrated defensively btw.

[K_ick_God]

The team that looks like it made a mistake is Chicago. They are winning a lot of games without Noah.

I'm sure if they had offered up Noah, they could have gotten back Nene.

Nene
Boozer
Melo
2-Guard
Rose

Wow.

Denver was never taking Deng.

With Noah, I think they would have. But then I don't know that Chicago would have enough salary to offer in order to take back Nene.

Still, with the way they're winning without Noah, maybe they should have pulled the trigger IF the Nuggets would have taken Deng in order to get Noah. It looks like they should have right now.

[K_ick_God]

The team that looks like it made a mistake is Chicago. They are winning a lot of games without Noah.

I'm sure if they had offered up Noah, they could have gotten back Nene.

Nene
Boozer
Melo
2-Guard
Rose

Wow.

Good point my man. I think they really didn't want to stray too much away from what they are doing with Thibs and they see Noah as a big part of that. It really would be unfair to put a 1st year coach
in an uncomfortable spot like that. Nene is overrated defensively btw.

Nene is not a particularly good defender, this is true. So they would have been weaker at 5-4 defensively. But I think defense comes down to good coaching and they have a good defensive coach. They'd have been at least good defensively with three really good scorers. Legit threats to Miami, though they may still be if Noah is as valuable as they are betting he is.

[I_Love_NYK]

Do the Knicks really have a plan B now? Danny Granger, Gerald Wallace, Andre Igoudala all looks like they are staying put as their teams are currently in the playoff hunt. But who else will be out there, are they really going to extend Chandler?