[Game #52] Phoenix Suns vs Sacramento Kings - Poll added

Post #181 » by **Miklo** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:19 pm

gaspar wrote:
Miklo wrote:Poll added

erm... Frye?

Frye as the reason we lost? I thought he was part of the reason we were holding on..but I'll add it obviously, this is a poll after all :lol:

now and 4 life · Post #182 » by **now and 4 life** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:41 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwuQRVN0nnw[/youtube]

RvM · Post #183 » by **RvM** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:14 pm

I blame myself. I should have made time to make the gamethread..

I didn't catch the game and I don't want to watch my recording, but how the hell can we lose to the 2nd worst team in the Western conference, on a back to back, without their 2nd best player?

Also, only 15 minutes for Vince? Again he's sucking it up, but how in the world did he lose this game for us?

Real disappointed with this lost. But if we can win the next two, we'll be in good position heading towards the all-star break.

Post #184 » by **Miklo** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:39 pm

RvM wrote:Also, only 15 minutes for Vince? Again he's sucking it up, but how in the world did he lose this game for us?.

I couldn't think of many options..I personally don't put it on Vince but I guess for the option I was thinking just in general him continually failing to provide us with a starting SG

YFZblu · Post #185 » by **YFZblu** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:57 pm

Miklo wrote:
RvM wrote:Also, only 15 minutes for Vince? Again he's sucking it up, but how in the world did he lose this game for us?.

I couldn't think of many options..I personally don't put it on Vince but I guess for the option I was thinking just in general him continually failing to provide us with a starting SG

I think Vince is a good pick. For a team like Phoenix that doesn't have the talent to play strong basketball for a full 48 minutes, Carter's 16 minutes of terrible play can absolutely hurt a team's chances of winning.

I find it comical that all Carter can talk about is "Beno's three" and "Landry's offensive rebounds"...I understand VC is a guy with tons of pride, but come on...He's completely unfocused and did contribute to the loss.

realsunsfan · Post #186 » by **realsunsfan** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:02 pm

I found this interesting.......... we aren't the only ones that think he is not giving full effort....

paulcoro Paul Coro
Gentry said he needs to engage Carter & play him in 4Q. He said he told him they traded their top scorer for him & expect him to be it now.

RvM · Post #187 » by **RvM** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:11 pm

YFZblu wrote:
Miklo wrote:
RvM wrote:Also, only 15 minutes for Vince? Again he's sucking it up, but how in the world did he lose this game for us?.

I couldn't think of many options..I personally don't put it on Vince but I guess for the option I was thinking just in general him continually failing to provide us with a starting SG

I think Vince is a good pick. For a team like Phoenix that doesn't have the talent to play strong basketball for a full 48 minutes, Carter's 16 minutes of terrible play can absolutely hurt a team's chances of winning.

I find it comical that all Carter can talk about is "Beno's three" and "Landry's offensive rebounds"...I understand VC is a guy with tons of pride, but come on...He's completely unfocused and did contribute
to the loss.

I do blame Vince for part of this loss, he's averaged 20+ per game for his entire career and it's bet
It's funny too, just a few weeks ago, Gentry was telling Vince that he WANTED him to attempt 15-20 shots a game, and it's pretty sad because VC's getting benched and only playing less than 25 minutes because he's not attacking and it just looks like he's going through the motions.

@realsuns fan
I really hope this lights a fire in Vince's attitude. I hope that Gentry really did talk to Carter about this, and Vince is an emotional guy. The benchings are getting to him, and if this team wants to make it to the playoffs then Vince needs to act like he gives a sh**. We need to win these next two games to be at 28-26 by the all-star break, and then hopefully it'll give us momentum. I fully expect Carter to start bringing his A game, but if not then The Suns organization should just trade him before the trade deadline to get a serviceable SG.

BurningHeart · Post #188 » by **BurningHeart** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:12 pm

YFZblu wrote:No way is it on the same level as flopping. No way.

It's pretty much exactly the same thing. Making it seem like something is there when it's not.

I guess I just like my boys to play a good, clean game. I hated when Raja flopped.

RaisingArizona · Post #189 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:27 pm

Frye is always a viable Leander candidate.

Post #190 » by **Miklo** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:28 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Frye is always a viable Leander candidate.

RaisingArizona · Post #191 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:41 pm

Miklo wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Frye is always a viable Leander candidate.

He always sucks when we lose. I'd liked having jrich as our barometer more. Frye is relied way too heavily upon right now.

Herman4MVP · Post #192 » by **Herman4MVP** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:45 pm

realsunsfan wrote:I found this interesting.......... we aren't the only ones that think he is not giving full effort....

paulcoro Paul Coro
Gentry said he needs to engage Carter & play him in 4Q. He said he told him they traded their top scorer for him & expect him to be it now.

That's exactly why I don't have faith in our coaching staff anymore - soft as Frye on his worst day - just try to make it work SOMEHOW...even if everyone sees that Carter is D-O-N-E.

Sorry but it's nothing personal - he just needs to go cause he's an even worse fit than Turk at PF was for us. It is just not working out so please let Dudley, Pietrus and Chilly play - cause they actually show effort every single game.

I hate this jerk laughing all game long with our opponents and having a great time while stinking it up game after game...

You know what will happen? He will have ONE (1) good game the next few days where he will score around 25pts or something and everybody will be good for a while - until he stinks it up 5 games in a row again - that is just not enough to be our starting SG!

I kinda like the idea of trading him for Rip and Maxiell - both would help us, really. Rip is a very good defender with a nice midrange game and Maxiell could get some minutes instead of Frye playing 38 minutes. He actually can bang with some bigger guys in the league.

Carter for Rip and Maxiell and we are talking...again we are running out of time and games to reach the playoffs - if we really want to play in the postseason we should try everything to make us better.

NYK 455 · Post #193 » by **NYK 455** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:30 am

YFZblu wrote:Once again Troy Murphy is publicly on the block. Once again, I think the Suns should trade for him.

He would be a very good addition for you guys, and he wouldn't cost much.

YFZblu · Post #194 » by **YFZblu** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:33 am

BurningHeart wrote:
YFZblu wrote:No way is it on the same level as flopping. No way.

It's pretty much exactly the same thing. Making it seem like something is there when it's not.

I guess I just like my boys to play a good, clean game. I hated when Raja flopped.

Unless it was against the Spurs or Lakers...then **** it, let's flop our way to victory.

YFZblu · Post #195 » by **YFZblu** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:35 am

NYK 455 wrote:
YFZblu wrote:Once again Troy Murphy is publicly on the block. Once again, I think the Suns should trade for him.

He would be a very good addition for you guys, and he wouldn't cost much.

Seriously, VC for Murphy and SASHA VUJACIC :lol:

OK, OK....Not Vujabitch...But I want Murphy on the Suns

Post #196 » by **Miklo** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:22 am

Why \Troy Murphy though? Frye is a better pure shooter and Gortat is at least as good of a rebounder, and better at defense, so if we're giving up pieces I'd rather go for something we don't have.

Wannabe MEP · Post #197 » by **Wannabe MEP** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:47 am

Miklo wrote:Why \Troy Murphy though? Frye is a better pure shooter and Gortat is at least as good of a rebounder, and better at defense, so if we're giving up pieces I'd rather go for something we don't have.

Because Frye + Gortat + Lopez + Murphy would be...

...a real frontcourt!! Plus the fact that we're only good with Frye on the court right now. Frye 2.0 is a good idea.

But it definitely depends on which pieces we'd be giving up.

sunskerr · Post #198 » by **sunskerr** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:46 am

YFZblu wrote:
sunskerr wrote:Once again the Suns lose an easy one. I don't think troy murphy is the answer to our problems, btw -He plays no D.

The Suns "problems" aren't related to defense, if we're assuming Phoenix can keep up their defensive production for the last 15-17 games. The Suns problem is they lack the talent to play well for a full 48 minutes---There is almost always going to be a let-down during games, which can lead to losses on those nights that the Suns don't recover.

Troy Murphy is a very nice rebounder. Defensive rebounding is a vital part of playing good defense. So while he may not individually be able to anchor a defense, he can contribute to a defense with his rebounding ability. And obviously he's a really productive assisted 3-point shooter and would be able to stretch the defense for Steve Nash and co.

I stand corrected.

It's kinda new to see the suns holding opponents(at least more than before) under 100.

YFZblu · Post #199 » by **YFZblu** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:11 pm

Los Soles wrote:
Miklo wrote:Why \Troy Murphy though? Frye is a better pure shooter and Gortat is at least as good of a rebounder, and better at defense, so if we're giving up pieces I'd rather go for something we don't have.

Because Frye + Gortat + Lopez + Murphy would be...

...a real frontcourt!! Plus the fact that we're only good with Frye on the court right now. Frye 2.0 is a good idea.

But it definitely depends on which pieces we'd be giving up.

Exactly--IMO the Suns are a good team, but lack enough talent to be consistent for 48 minutes night in and night out. Upgrading the talent level will help with that.

The struggle is getting the deal done. Murphy would constitute matching much of VCs salary, however the Nets would still need to include another player or players to make things work, or the Suns would need to find a 3rd team to make it happen....

YFZblu · Post #200 » by **YFZblu** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:12 pm

Miklo wrote:Why \Troy Murphy though? Frye is a better pure shooter and Gortat is at least as good of a rebounder, and better at defense, so if we're giving up pieces I'd rather go for something we don't have.

That's the thing, Murphy IS something we don't have. He's a legitimate reason to stop playing Hakim Warrick

Ugh, I don't even know...who's the reason we lost?