Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[nate33]

None of these Young trades interest me. This team is dying for some offense. So far, Young is the only guy who can be relied upon to provide it. I'd rather have Young at $5M a year than the have the #14 pick in the 2012 draft and pay him $2M a year to learn from the bench for two years before finally contributing in 2014. If we're lucky, maybe by 2014 he'll be roughly as good as Nick Young.

[Ruzious]

None of these Young trades interest me. This team is dying for some offense. So far, Young is the only guy who can be relied upon to provide it. I'd rather have Young at $5M a year than the have the #14 pick in the 2012 draft and pay him $2M a year to learn from the bench for two years before finally contributing in 2014. If we're lucky, maybe by 2014 he'll be roughly as good as Nick Young.

Yeah, I'm starting to lean toward your side. Otoh, him scoring 21 PPG over the last 2 months or so - he's gotta have some trade value now. Could we package Young and Javale for Cousins? Maybe take back Garcia? Sacto could then use Evans more with the ball. I'd like to make a trade for Cousins, but I don't want to throw in a 1st round pick unless it's like top 10 protected.

[jivelikenice]

Whats the enfatuation with trading Young? He is flawed, but in most of these proposals what are we getting back? We'd be downgrading offensively and a mid first round pick is a crap shoot. Also does a team that currently has 3 first rounders & 1 2nd rounder on the roster with a lottery pick comng up next season really need to add yet another mid first round pick tothe fold? I think 5 12t/2nd years players to go along with McGee, Blatche, and Young is plenty of youth....

[nate33]

None of these Young trades interest me. This team is dying for some offense. So far, Young is the only guy who can be relied upon to provide it. I'd rather have Young at $5M a year than the have the #14 pick in the 2012 draft and pay him $2M a year to learn from the bench for two years before finally contributing in 2014. If we're lucky, maybe by 2014 he'll be roughly as good as Nick Young.

Yeah, I'm starting to lean toward your side. Otoh, him scoring 21 PPG over the last 2 months or so - he's gotta have some trade value now. Could we package Young and Javale for Cousins? Maybe take back Garcia? Sacto could then use Evans more with the ball. I'd like to make a trade for Cousins, but I don't want to throw in a 1st round pick unless it's like top 10 protected.

Yeah, I'd trade Young as part of a package to get back a guy who has star potential. I'm not trading him for a mediocre role player or a crapshoot draft pick in the teens.

[507Mack]

Whats the enfatuation with trading Young? He is flawed, but in most of these proposals what are we getting back? We'd be downgrading offensively and a mid first round pick is a crap shoot. Also does a team that currently has 3 first rounders & 1 2nd rounder on the roster with a lottery pick comng up next season really need to add yet another mid first round pick tothe fold? I think 5 12t/2nd years players to go along with McGee, Blatche, and Young is plenty of youth....

I agree that we should not trade him for a mid 1st round pick. However, as much as his scoring game has skyrocketed, he's still a 20 PPG scorer on a team with a terrible record where no one else shoots. He's also painfully one-dimensional. That mid first rounder is the best we can get for him, as far as draft picks. I'm open to trading him IF can we get some combination of proven low post scoring/defense/IQ in return.

[TGW]

This team is in no position to give long contracts out to players that have "stepped up" during a contract year. It's bad business and the Wiz have gotten burned so many times in the past.

Nick has played very good basketball the past few months. Not years....months. You cannot reward that, especially considering Nick is streaky as heck. $5 mil/year might not look bad now, but it will look horrible when Nick goes through his stretch of crappy games where he misses shots, doesn't rebound, and averages an assist per game.

[nate33]

This team is in no position to give long contracts out to players that have "stepped up" during a contract year. It's bad business and the Wiz have gotten burned so many times in the past.

Nick has played very good basketball the past few months. Not years....months. You cannot reward that, especially considering Nick is streaky as heck. $5 mil/year might not look bad now, but it will look horrible when Nick goes through his stretch of crappy games where he misses shots, doesn't rebound, and averages an assist per game.

Except that Young hasn't had any crappy stretch of games despite logging 38 minutes a game as a starter and being the focal point of opposing defenses.

Maybe, just maybe, Young is now a consistent player who can be counted upon to score with efficiency. Give him one more good offensive teammate to draw defensive attention and his efficiency is likely to increase.

[JAR69]

I'm not pushing to trade Young, but I'm trying think about what the front office might want to do before the deadline. If I were in their shoes, I would think there is at least a 50 percent chance he won't be back next year, so I would be exploring trades to get something for him. There aren't a lot of teams that would give up something to rent Young for 30 games plus the playoffs. Chicago might be, and they have an extra draft pick plus an upside player. I like NY, and think he fits well with Wall, but I would probably pull the trigger.

[jivelikenice]

Whats the enfatuation with trading Young? He is flawed, but in most of these proposals what are we getting back? We'd be downgrading offensively and a mid first round pick is a crap shoot. Also does a team that currently has 3 first rounders & 1 2nd rounder on the roster with a lottery pick comng up next season really need to add yet another mid first round pick tothe fold? I think 5 12t/2nd years players to go along with McGee, Blatche, and Young is plenty of youth....

I agree that we should not trade him for a mid 1st round pick. However, as much as his scoring game has skyrocketed, he's still a 20 PPG scorer on a team with a terrible record where no one else shoots. He's also painfully one-dimensional. That mid first rounder is the best we can get for him, as far as draft picks. I'm open to trading him IF can we get some combination of proven low post scoring/defense/IQ in return.

I guess my point is if a mid 1st ronder is the best we can get, then why trade for it? The only way I move him is if its part of a package for a high upside player (like a Cousins if Sacramento decides to move on)...Otherwise keep him and know that another piece to the puzzle is potentially in place and now we can focus on a SF.

[tontoz]

This team is in no position to give long contracts out to players that have "stepped up" during a contract year. It's bad business and the Wiz have gotten burned so many times in the past.

Nick has played very good basketball the past few months. Not years....months. You cannot reward that, especially considering Nick is streaky as heck. $5 mil/year might not look bad now, but it will look horrible when Nick goes through his stretch of crappy games where he misses shots, doesn't rebound, and averages an assist per game.

Nick's 3 point percentage is 38.4% for his career. He shot 40% from 3 as a rookie. He has been able to shoot off the dribble since he came into the league. Nick scored at a rate of 17.6 pts per 36 minutes during his first 2 seasons. Nick's TS% of 53% during his 1st 2 seasons is better than Blatche did last season when everyone was saying how well he played.

Nick is up to 20 pts per 36 this year with a TS% of 55% which isn't a huge increase. Looks more like a natural progression.It isn't like just suddenly learned to score in a contract year.

[Tyrone Messby]

Nick Young finally turns into a capable shooting guard, and half the board is ready to trade him. LOL. This is why the Wizards are the Wizards.

[hands11]

None of these Young trades interest me. This team is dying for some offense. So far, Young is the only guy who can be relied upon to provide it. I'd rather have Young at $5M a year than the have the #14 pick in the 2012 draft and pay him $2M a year to learn from the bench for two years before finally contributing in 2014. If we're lucky, maybe by 2014 he'll be roughly as good as Nick Young.

Exactly. Getting young talent isn't always a good deal. We already have young talent and have paid the price in years of development. I see no reason why it would make good sense to let go of Nick at this point. McGee either.

I like watching home grown players. It is more enjoyable to me.

[Mr. Grundle]

I'm also stunned at the Young trade proposals. It seems like a lot of the people on the board hope a player develops just so he has trade value instead of being a part of the teams future. I know it's fun to come up with trade proposals, but come on.

He's the best player on our team right now. I don't care if he's one-dimensional. Putting the ball in the bucket is the most important skill in basketball, and Nick is the only guy on the team that can do it consistently. He's a perfect fit along side a non-shooting, pass-first PG. After all the years of bitching about combo-guards, we finally have a pure PG and SG.

Lock him up. The back court is set. Our focus should be up front.

[DaRealHibachi]

I'm also stunned at the Young trade proposals. It seems like a lot of the people on the board hope a player develops just so he has trade value instead of being a part of the teams future. I know it's fun to come up with trade proposals, but come on.

He's the best player on our team right now. I don't care if he's one-dimensional. Putting the ball in the bucket is the most important skill in basketball, and Nick is the only guy on the team that can do it consistently. He's a perfect fit along side a non-shooting, pass-first PG. After all the years of bitching about combo-guards, we finally have a pure PG and SG.

Lock him up. The back court is set. Our focus should be up front.

QFT.

[AceDegenerate]

Nick Young finally turns into a capable shooting guard, and half the board is ready to trade him. LOL. This is why the Wizards are the Wizards.

Not really. The Wizards are the Wizards specifically because they make a habit out of overpaying one-dimensional talents just like Nick Young. Nobody is advocating trading Nick at all costs, only to be conservative about his upcoming contract.

[Hoopalotta]

Nick Young finally turns into a capable shooting guard, and half the board is ready to trade him. LOL. This is why the Wizards are the Wizards.

Not really. The Wizards are the Wizards specifically because they make a habit out of overpaying one-dimensional talents just like Nick Young. Nobody is advocating trading Nick at all costs, only to be conservative about his upcoming contract.

You have become entirely too reasonable.

But that's pretty much what it should come down to - not an absolutist stance either way but a response according to the opportunities of the trade market and then what's projected as far as a contract. I'm sure management have some idea internally as to what they expect Nick will get offered (or at least who's interested), but my loose instincts would think it's going to come around $7 million per, except obviously the CBA will swirl things up nicely.

With what I know now - which is not much - I could easily go either way with Nick, but some genuine scoop as to trade offers and contract parameters would probably push me to one side or another. I'd say it's a fine line as to what would be prudent.

[hands11]

I'm also stunned at the Young trade proposals. It seems like a lot of the people on the board hope a player develops just so he has trade value instead of being a part of the teams future. I know it's fun to come up with trade proposals, but come on.

He's the best player on our team right now. I don't care if he's one-dimensional. Putting the ball in the bucket is the most important skill in basketball, and Nick is the only guy on the team that can do it consistently. He's a perfect fit along side a non-shooting, pass-first PG. After all the years of bitching about combo-guards, we finally have a pure PG and SG.

Lock him up. The back court is set. Our focus should be up front.

You got me Mr Grundle. I don't get it either. 6-7 young SG pure shooter, athletic who just added 10 lbs of muscle over the summer and is likely to get even strong over the next one. Someone who while not the sharpest tack in the box also isn't a me first egomaniac head case either. The kid has really stepped it up this year. Oddly, he isn't playing a game so much different then he was before. Problem before was he only jacked shots and he hadn't earned it yet. He wasn't listening and was slow to learn the offense.

And it's not like the kid isn't still improving. Most games he is logging 4 rebounds now. He is getting more consistency there. Still not were we want him but defiantly showing progress. He has off games but looking over his log, you can see more consistency with the rebounds. And he even dumped a 43 pt game this year. And he is still just starting to really come into his own and toughen up. He is even starting to drive more. But again, room for improvement there also. He needs to get to the line at least 6 times a game before I would be truly happy with that part of his game. And he kid can jump and finishes off contact. He has at least another year or growing to do before he reaches near peak. Given where he is, that is something I'm looking forward to see and I want to see it here.

All the above is Nick. People who want to trade him are just afraid of paying him and him not being able to keep it up. Well starting over with a draft pick is even a bigger gamble and it's going to take that player 3-4 years to get where we want him. It's going to take Wall way less time then that. With Walls new found jumping screens D, I'm back on the JW bandwagon. He will be balln the rest of the year and all of next. If people were excited about Wall and Gil, they should be falln over about Wall and Nick. And now Gil antics and no Gil contract. And he is actually a SG and jumps and dunks and plays D.

I'm pretty sold on keeping Nick. I just pray we can get him signed to a good contract. 25 is a great age to match up with Wall. Wall in another year should be a beast and Nick will be just coming into his prime.

And in two years McGee should be a beast also. Wall, Nick McGee. It may be hard for some to be sold on it today, but it would be hard to deny there isnt some unique talent there with lots of upside. Now add some vet level maturity like Howard and Lewis and that's not bad. Lewis eventually likely gets moved longer term so what is important is the talent and maturity that they bring in around these guys. It doesn't have to be a rookie. It can be a vet. And the good news is, as time goes on, it will be easier to integrate younger players because the team will have a rudder. It won't be a young player coming to a team of knuckle heads. Gil, DS, Dray, Haywood and Etan fighting. EFJ and I make buckets Opee or I'm Mike James Beeatch making 5M. No more SG/PGs.

The renovation project has been in the works since Dec 09. Demolition started back then. Now they have Walls. It's not pretty to watch but they have more pieces than some are giving them credit because those people only see Ws. Well Ws come later. It doesn't mean good work isn't taking place.

[Jay81]

Per realgm


Wizards Receive: Josh Smith, Tyrus Thomas, Brendan Haywood

Wizards Send: Andray Blatche, Kirk Hinrich, Nick Young, Yi Jianlian, Hilton Armstrong

• I wanted to clear Blatche and Young away from John Wall and this accomplishes that goal while giving Washington a borderline All-Star in Smith. He is a peculiar player, but a frontcourt of Smith and Rashard Lewis is intriguing and this should at least force the former to play closer to the rim.

By acquiring a talent of Smith's caliber without giving up anything of real value, the Wizards are forced to take on two onerous contracts in Thomas and Haywood.

Haywood is a familiar face, but with JaVale McGee, Smith and Thomas, the Wizards should lead the NBA in blocked shots. For some teams, blocked shots is a dubious stats but not with Wall since it should lead to more transition opportunities where he can use his speed and playmaking skills.

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[dangermouse]

Per realgm


Wizards Receive: Josh Smith, Tyrus Thomas, Brendan Haywood

Wizards Send: Andray Blatche, Kirk Hinrich, Nick Young, Yi Jianlian, Hilton Armstrong

• I wanted to clear Blatche and Young away from John Wall and this accomplishes that goal while giving Washington a borderline All-Star in Smith. He is a peculiar player, but a frontcourt of Smith and Rashard Lewis is intriguing and this should at least force the former to play closer to the rim.

By acquiring a talent of Smith's caliber without giving up anything of real value, the Wizards are forced to take on two onerous contracts in Thomas and Haywood.

Haywood is a familiar face, but with JaVale McGee, Smith and Thomas, the Wizards should lead the NBA in blocked shots. For some teams, blocked shots is a dubious stats but not with Wall since it should lead to more transition opportunities where he can use his speed and playmaking skills.

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Who goes where for the other teams?

[LyricalRico]

Wizards Receive: Josh Smith, Tyrus Thomas, Brendan Haywood

Wizards Send: Andray Blatche, Kirk Hinrich, Nick Young, Yi Jianlian, Hilton Armstrong

One problem with that is that we'd have a TON of money tied up in good but not great bigs. There also wouldn't be enough minutes, making the salaries look even worse and meaning McGee probably walks.

That said, if the Hawks ever looked into moving JSmoove so they could make Horford a PF, I'd like to get in on that. If Seraphin grows into being a Perkins-type, he and Smith would be a great frontcourt combo IMO.