Grizzlies Aggressively Shopping Thabeet... Again!

geeman · Post #1 » by **geeman** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:52 pm

Do you think we could move Marvin for thabeet? Both of these guy may just need a change of adress ot reach the potenial? Marvin starts over with a younger team that could you his playoff
experince and Thabeet could fill the need we have for a big body to defend the paint. If it work
out it would also alow us to move other players to gain cap space to resign JC or create a package centered around Zazz (6 mil) $ Bibby (5mil) or Teague tp get a real PG. Thoughts

azuresou1 · Post #2 » by **azuresou1** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:07 pm

Thabeet is a D-Leaguer. Marvin is at least a starting caliber NBA player.

I'd take Thabeet, but not for Marvin. Maybe for Zaza + a pick swap.

parson · Post #3 » by **parson** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:15 pm

Zaza has less potential and that pick swap would definitely benefit us. We'd need to sweeten the deal, maybe by offering Zaza AND a pick, rather than also taking their pick.

ACE_reppin_ATL · Post #4 » by **ACE_reppin_ATL** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:16 pm

Love Jamal, but if we could do this trade http://es.pn/ff2tgT, I'd be ecstatic!!!

It would also open PT for Teague + Jordan...Good deal? Mayo could be a great piece for us off the bench with Marvin and Teague...A change of scenery could be the best thing for his career.

Thabeet would be brought along behind Collins, hopefully learning how to be tough and consistent from Horford and eventually become our starter. He is younger, has more size, and a better shot blocker than any Hawks big (hold Josh/Al of course)...

I say lets do it and make a bench deeper, more versatile and usable in the Playoffs!!! Or do we continue to deteriorate this season, stay stagnant, flop out early in the Playoffs, and LOSE JAMAL THIS SUMMER FOR NOTHING???

geeman · Post #5 » by **geeman** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:16 pm

I think Marvin maybe having some back issue, he just don't look right out there! I was thinking more of a salary dump and it Thabeet don't work out just don't extend him. But, I like Marvin and he just may need a fresh start. Agian, this move would free up cap space next year if we want to resgn JC

geeman · Post #6 » by **geeman** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:27 pm

I think the reason for not including JC in a trade like this for contracts that don't expire is Hawks management extended Big Al and that 10 mil comming off the books next year will keeps ther cost down. Other than cost I would want to give Marvin more time to develop ( he's only 24). But his youth and potenial maybe a reason some may take a flyer on him

parson · Post #7 » by **parson** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:31 pm

ACE, I had almost the same idea (sans ET) but it leads me to ask whether or not we could afford that deal.

We'll be over the LT next year, when Horford's salary increase kicks in, unless we renounce Jamal. Your deal saves us $2 million next year but costs us $9,249,480 next year. Since we'd be over the LT limit, that figure woul'd DOUBLE. Would the ASG pay so much?

geeman · Post #8 » by **geeman** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:35 pm

I would much rather do a Marvin & Teague for Devin Harris Deal. Devin/Bibby as our PG's would work for me

azuresou1 · Post #9 » by **azuresou1** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:37 pm

parson wrote:Zaza has less potential and that pick swap would definitely benefit us. We'd need to sweeten the deal, maybe by offering Zaza AND a pick, rather than also taking their pick.

I meant the right to swap firsts over the next few years, maybe until 2013 or so.

MaceCase · Post #10 » by **MaceCase** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:20 pm

azuresou1 wrote:Thabeet is a D-Leaguer. Marvin is at least a starting caliber NBA player.

I'd take Thabeet, but not for Marvin. Maybe for Zaza + a pick swap.

If only they hadn't bought out Jaric we would of probably been able to extend the trade to Zaza, Mo, and Jamal for Mayo, Thabeet and Jaric's expiring deal. This would of kept us right at next year's lux tax/hard cap line while still fielding virtually the same roster but younger and with more potential.

Post #11 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:25 am

There is some seriously awful grammar on this page.

Thabeet has potential. I'd trade any player on our team except Al. True story. Mabe not straight up, but nobody on our team is above being moved if it improves us and gives an actual future.

Our team is average, we gotta take some chances on high potential players at crucial positions. (PG, SG, C)

Patience and a solid big man coach. give him consistent minutes on a winning team so he can see what a functional franchise looks like. (and yes, compared to Memphis, we are at least functional)

evildallas · Post #12 » by **evildallas** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:49 am

Jamaaliver wrote:There is some seriously awful grammar on this page.

Thabeet has potential. I'd trade any player on our team except Al. True story. Mabe not straight up, but nobody on our team is above being moved if it improves us and gives an actual future.

Our team is average, we gotta take some chances on high potential players at crucial positions. (PG, SG, C)

Patience and a solid big man coach. give him consistent minutes on a winning team so he can see what a functional franchise looks like. (and yes, compared to Memphis, we are at least functional)

I'm on the opposite side when it comes to Thabeet. I feel he has no drive. He plays basketball because of his height and the money but he doesn't strive to be the kind of player of his physical gifts could be. Even less drive than I've seen out of Marvin. Without a strong plan of how to reach him and coach him up I would touch him or waste an asset to acquire him.

Post #13 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:46 am

ed,

That's actually a really good point. I just think we gotta take some chances on some other teams trash and try to spin it into gold. (Like we did with Jamal Crawford)

We either need to get really terrible and draft a superstar, or take some chances and trade for a talent in need of a fresh start.

Think Artest on the Lakers; Ben and Rasheed Wallace on the Pistons.

We haven't won a second round playoff GAME in more than a decade. Maybe I'm just enamored with the thought of Mutombo: The Next Generation gracing the Highlight Factory. But we got to try something, and since we're not willing to spend money on an experienced/top flight coach. That leaves us to take some chances with the roster. We're not winning a championship anytime soon. Why not at least take a shot at greatness?

evildallas · Post #14 » by **evildallas** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:41 am

Some people just don't have it. I think I'll feel better about taking a chance under the next CBA. The owners seem to really value getting a mechanism to escape dead money. Until then filling roster spots with lazy, unmotivated holders of guaranteed contracts is not a recipe for success. By the time one hits you may have poisoned the team. Until then I could see risking it on a talented head case (like Artest or Rasheed) or underappreciated workaholic (like Big Ben). They might be a little crazy or bipolar, but they aren't just living on cruise control which is the impression Thabeet has given me.

ACE_reppin_ATL · Post #15 » by **ACE_reppin_ATL** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:42 pm

geeman wrote:I would much rather do a Marvin & Teague for Devin Harris Deal. Devin/Bibby as our PG's would work for me

I definitely like that as well...Mainly because the big problem with our team's OFFENSE is that there's no PG that breaks down defenses and opens up the floor for the rest of the team...Harris is lightning quick and young...He could make Joe look like a $100MIL man...Not a $120MIL man (because Joe just doesn't have that extra umph like a Kobe/Lebron)...But $100MIL Joe with Harris, J-Smoove, and Al could maybe get us a ring.

azuresou1 · Post #16 » by **azuresou1** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:43 pm

Thabeet is like Marvin but without any sort of basketball skill or IQ. And you guys want to pick him up?