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The Case to cheer Chris Bosh

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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#61 » by Cake Walk » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:37 pm

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Give your head a shake. What do you know about his relationship with his daughter? Sure there's reason to boo, enough valid reason. Delete that garbage and try again.


Nothing except that it was ALL OVER THE NEWS about how he refused to pay child support and even tried getting the court case in another state so that he could pay less. Just gives you a sense of his personality. If he isnt loyal to his own family that he created why would he be loyal to the Raptors in any sense?

Anyone who thinks Bosh is anything but a chump with talent is deficient with hellen keller like problems.

He was never found guilty of not paying.


Its not that he didnt want to pay, its that he wanted to pay like $1500 a month.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#62 » by Cake Walk » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:39 pm

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Cake Walk wrote:The fact he was banging a 35 year old woman with a forehead the size of an ice-rink is all i need to know about what a loser chris bosh is. Then he meets another chick and proposes within a few months.

I hope you take down the chris bosh posters when people visit.


I'm no Bosh fan, but calling out Bosh for stuff like that is below what any person of any substance should do. I hope you're just a kid. Enjoy your stay.


Stuff like what? I said hes got a boring personality, hes two faced and hes insecure. Hence hes a chump. What specifically did I say that you disagree with? I dont think anybody cares that he left except maybe his diehard fans, so what are you trying to say? He left in a dignified way?
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#63 » by ansoncarter » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:40 pm

bosh really said he was a wolf in a cage? rofl that's (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

"I felt like a mighty condor waiting to spread my wings and soar"

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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#64 » by PdiC » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:40 pm

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Not a chump, he'd be loyal.


I was actually a little surprised he left. With all the talk about how soft and introverted he is, I thought he'd make the easy decision and remain complacent in Toronto.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#65 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:42 pm

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Cake Walk wrote:The fact he was banging a 35 year old woman with a forehead the size of an ice-rink is all i need to know about what a loser chris bosh is. Then he meets another chick and proposes within a few months.

I hope you take down the chris bosh posters when people visit.


I'm no Bosh fan, but calling out Bosh for stuff like that is below what any person of any substance should do. I hope you're just a kid. Enjoy your stay.


Stuff like what? I said hes got a boring personality, hes two faced and hes insecure. Hence hes a chump. What specifically did I say that you disagree with? I dont think anybody cares that he left except maybe his diehard fans, so what are you trying to say? He left in a dignified way?


Specifically, the crap about his daughter, the child support and his gf''s. There's enough legit stuff to get on him for.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#66 » by Lionel Messi » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:48 pm

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garbagnani wrote:i dont agree with booing your own players. I think anyone that chose to leave our team, disrespected his toronto fans during his exit deserves to be booed.

I was a huge VC fan, he turned his back on team/city/fans hence got his a$$ booed. Bosh deserves the same thing.

Get real: Bosh played hard while he was here, and left when he was legally entitled to do so and anybody looking reasonably at the situation at the end of last year had to have said to themselves, "okay, this ship has gone as far as it's going to go and it's time for everybody to move on".

I think our own players should be booed. They had the worst defense in the league last year, and 2nd worst this year. There's little heart, effort or integrity on this team apart from a couple of players and that is disgraceful. Just because they put on a Raptors' uniform doesn't mean they're faithful to this city. Calderon sure as hell hasn't been faithful to this city with the way he plays, has he?

Being faithful to this city consists of a lot more than merely wearing a Raptors' jersey.



You are really off the deep end with some of your comments. Bosh is a sad sack and will be booed whether you like it or not. The guy spends ONE off-season in his 7 years here working HARD, and that season is the one before he is heading into FA as an UFA. Then he camps under the basket all game, demanding the ball or sitting there for rebounds and not rotating on defence. Defence doesnt show on the box score but rebounds do. Then he acts like a bitch with this whole ex-gf/baby scenario not paying child support like a punk. When he goes to miami and gets injured in the chicago game he has the balls to say people need to support their family and make money? No Chris, real men support their family you're just a tall lanky loser who happens to be good at basketball.

How everyone forgets how he decided not to play even though he was CLEARED by team doctors (fact!) because he 'felt he wasnt ready'. We were one game out of the playoffs, where was bosh? Oh yeah in a suite already searching real estate adds for his horrible unimaginative bland (just like his personality) mansion in Miami.

People that say he played hard here for 7 years, so what? We paid his ass to perform and you want to kiss it? Does your boss kiss your ass when you do what you are paid to do at work? No its business as usual. And if you quit that job and talked trash about the place of employment is he supposed to give you a glowing reference when you leave?

Please step into the real world and join us logical people.

and LOL @ you suggesting Calderon doesnt play hard or is commited to this team. Shows what you know about ball. There is a difference between trying and not being able to do something and not trying at all.

Some people have their facts all messed up and need a reality check. I used to like Bosh his first few years here, but I guess it takes other people longer to see the truth. Even when its slapping them in the face with comments like "I was a caged wolf" and "Toronto smells funny"

Ya the media twisted your words bosh. I'm sure you meant something positive by toronto smells different. I guess the cut out the part where he went on to say it smells like fresh baked bread like momma used to make.

You people make me sick. Go lick his boots you sheep.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Horrible post all around. Are you sure you aren't Contender? Only Contender can spew this type of crap and not realize that he comes off as a total moron.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#67 » by lobosloboslobos » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:49 pm

I tell you one thing, if I was CB, I would say FU to Feschuk and Blair when I saw them. Not only that I'd tell them that myself if I saw them. They pit the fans and the players and Bosh all against each other so that nobody can win unless someone else loses. What BS. I mean I was no huge Bosh fan but I don't think he deserves to be trashed that bad and for Blair to get the fans all riled up as if we or the players would be sucks for not trashing him is stupid. Let people do what they want - boo or cheer. If Blair boos or disses Bosh to his face then I'll give him credit, but if he hides behind his journalistic 'objectivity' after that article - as he undoubtedly will - it will just show again the massive hypocrisy of journalists. Screw him.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#68 » by Lionel Messi » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:53 pm

I'm glad this thread was made.

Bosh gets overly disrespected on this board and people like to pretend like him leaving isn't the biggest reason why we're the 3rd (?) worst team in the NBA this year.

He fought hard, he never said anything bad about the city and he left at a time that suited both us and him. If there was one star FA departure you'd think had potential to be mutual between the fans and the player it was this one. Unfortunately, there are some fans on here who have no class whatsoever and prefer to wear horse blinders and read out-of-context headlines on the RealGM WT instead of forming their own opinions on the subject.
The rest of you are like Contender and have some sort of crazy vendetta against Bosh because you dislike his style of play, dislike the way he looks and/or really love Bargnani.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#69 » by BorisDK1 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:55 pm

Cake Walk wrote:Nothing except that it was ALL OVER THE NEWS about how he refused to pay child support and even tried getting the court case in another state so that he could pay less. Just gives you a sense of his personality. If he isnt loyal to his own family that he created why would he be loyal to the Raptors in any sense?

Anyone who thinks Bosh is anything but a chump with talent is deficient with hellen keller like problems.

Except it was also all over the news three days later that his ex- had at that point three cheques in her possession worth tens of thousands of dollars and refused to cash them in order to make a media case about it. Further, Bosh had called her several times asking if she needed anything else and she didn't respond. After that little tidbit came out, you didn't hear anything more, did you? No, because she was forced to admit that Bosh was being decent about things and she...was trying to capitalize on the situation.

Is it right that he had a child out of wedlock? I might be in the minority who still believes this, but no. But was he living up to his end of the obligation? I think he was. And for you to libel the guy without the facts is the worst kind of gossip-mongering you can get.

Toronto's fans don't deserve to have any good players at all. We deserve to get stuck with the Calderons and Bargnanis of the world just because we're a bunch of insecure, narcissistic jerks.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#70 » by dagger » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:01 pm

BorisDK1 wrote:Toronto's fans don't deserve to have any good players at all. We deserve to get stuck with the Calderons and Bargnanis of the world just because we're a bunch of insecure, narcissistic jerks.


That's bullshiat. So Boston boos Phil Kessel every time he touches the puck. Does that make Boston sports fans insecure, narcissistic jerks? Or just passionate fans, paying good money, who find another way to express their love of team.

I do envy fans in places like Sacramento who can find pleasure in supporting their rebuilding team without crying and whining over personalities, engaging in character assassination and endless scapegoating, cheering against their own players, hoping they fail, because they have their little narratives and want to be validated. Now that's narcissistic and insecure.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#71 » by Comeatme_Bro » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:01 pm

Who cares about Bosh's daughter and baby mama? All that goes beyond basketball and doesn't affect his performance on the court. It shouldn't be any of our business in the first place.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#72 » by 5DOM » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:03 pm

It's funny how everyone thinks they are right and thinks others are complete morons. And Boris almost made this into another Bargs/Jose thread. Cool story bro
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#73 » by inonba » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:32 pm

Let's stop the auditioning year for Bosh BS. Reality was, Bosh was gone regardless. Auditioning year was just wishful thinking. Just about every media outlet knew he was gone, and denying it just makes us look like idiots. Fact is, Pat Riley didn't just start clearing cap space after we struggled. This was planned years in advance. You don't exactly gut a team like that if you don't have commitment from players.

Also, look back on how Bosh acted during free agency, or any of the big 3 for that matter. As the GMs interviewing them pointed out, they were childish, and specifically Bosh, more preoccupied with the camera filming his documentary than the actual pitch from the team. Let me ask you a question, if they strung the auditioning teams along to get free stuff, what makes you think they weren't playing their former teams?

My last Chris Bosh moment is when Haddi came on here just to make one final post and rub it in to the fans. This is reflection of Bosh.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#74 » by Lionel Messi » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:34 pm

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My last Chris Bosh moment is when Haddi came on here just to make one final post and rub it in to the fans. This is reflection of Bosh.


Oh great, so Bosh's fanboy media consultant that doesn't even hang out with him is a reflection of Bosh himself.

Now Hadi is hanging out with Amir, I guess I have to start hating Amir because I hate Hadi :dontknow:
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#75 » by J-Roc » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:35 pm

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BorisDK1 wrote:Toronto's fans don't deserve to have any good players at all. We deserve to get stuck with the Calderons and Bargnanis of the world just because we're a bunch of insecure, narcissistic jerks.


That's bullshiat. So Boston boos Phil Kessel every time he touches the puck. Does that make Boston sports fans insecure, narcissistic jerks? Or just passionate fans, paying good money, who find another way to express their love of team.

I do envy fans in places like Sacramento who can find pleasure in supporting their rebuilding team without crying and whining over personalities, engaging in character assassination and endless scapegoating, cheering against their own players, hoping they fail, because they have their little narratives and want to be validated. Now that's narcissistic and insecure.


If you become a fan who accepts rebuilding TOO MUCH, you end up a losing city like Pittsburgh and Kansas City in MLB. Support sure....but still demand results with some negativity.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#76 » by jxy007 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:59 pm

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mtcan wrote:Don't forget Chris' parting shots back in July...

Remember...on ESPN...comparing his time in Toronto to being a wolf stuck in a cage, while he watched other wolves eat steak.

Remember...

""I didn't want to go there," Bosh said.

"It was different. All I knew was Vince Carter was there and I never saw him play on TV. It was a whole different country, and it was just different. I'm 19 years old, I didn't know anything about culture and being away from home. All I know is the States.

"Toronto's a great place, a fantastic city. It's a metropolitan area, but you could tell you're somewhere different. You could feel it, you could look at it, you can smell it. Everything. All your senses tell you you're somewhere different."

We give you 7 years of love and the moment you leave...we get this.

He handled his exit horribly and unfortunately, that tarnishes his reputation and legacy.

Boo him. Bring out the Mikki Moore posters and RuPaul cut-outs and plaster them all over the Miami Heat dressing room. Everyone should be waving RuPaul pictures when he takes free throws. Someone sitting behind the Miami bench should whisper "RuPaul of big men" to him whenever he is on the bench. This should be a spectacle that makes ESPN. You want to be on ESPN while in Canada...this it your chance, Chris.


The wolf in the cage comment implies that he was stuck on a losing team while watching other players go deep in the playoffs.

The comments about being young and 19, and how everything is different here what's what was going on in his mind as a 19 year old. If you're 19, going out of your country from Texas to Toronto its totally different. If you were to go to Texas from Toronto at 19, you'd same the same thing. I've been to places down in the Carolinas, Kentucky, Florida...and yes it is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I'm sure Dallas is totally different too.

Bosh noted Toronto is a great, fantastic city. All he said was that it was different. His quotes were taken out of context IMO.


I think a lot of ppl defending Bosh should stop defending him. I had always been neutral on his departure even with his list of smart-ass comments to justify his leave to the US media. What happened between Bosh and the Raptors organization + all the fans, is essentially a breakup. Instead of a typical one-on-one breakup, we are talking about one man turning his back on an entire fanbase.
In the real world, when one person for whatever reason (championships, fame) places his own personal values or goals above a group of people without their consent, he will be seen as selfish regardless of how he does it. Honestly, I believe he would've been booed even w/o everything else he said afterwards, which in all honestly just added fuel to a fiery fanbase. Maybe his comments were neutral and the media did take them out of context, but it came at a sensitive time during which ppl were quick to pick up any slightest hint of negativity. Any comparison of Toronto and Canada with the US will be taken as offence unless it is an explicitly positive statement like "Toronto is a great, fantastic city". By saying it's different and the whole crap about how he knew nothing about the culture when he came to town at age 19, what he was trying to do was to defend himself and his decision. When you are openly giving yourself and the public reasons why you ditched them due to these unconvincing reasons, ppl will take them as a knock on the city.
Yes, Colangelo failed to put a in place a good team. We all should blame BC for that. If Bosh openly expressed and emphasized that reasoning, i think fans would have been more sympathetic of him and it would have been a lot better for him than stating how different Toronto is. Instead of showing his excitement as a "wolf out of the cage", if he just said " i am very excited to be join the Miami Heat with a chance for multiple championships", then the fans will also be more reasonable. But he didn't, In all his quotes, some way or another, he manages to carry a negative connotation in connection to the city. That is a failure on his part in terms of his management of public relations.
So far, I only mentioned the surface, the direct and open meanings that he conveyed in his numerous post-trade interviews. But underneath all that, I believe the most important reason for his departure, from his point of view aside from championships, is the media attention he seeks in the US. We can argue that some of it has to do with patriotism (likely brewing inside him since his 2008 Olympics performance). We should all respect that, but we can never be certain about how much of it is cultural difference and his love for his country or how much is based on his personal reasons and ambitions. If the former is indeed the case, we as Canadians, in supporting an American athlete and adopting him as basically the son of Toronto for seven years, also share our own patriotism and loyalty toward the organization, the city and the country. Because his way is not our way, we are bound for conflict.
Comments made by Colangelo and Triano, while seemingly unprofessional on the surface, do have a personal element in them. They were the guys in the organization, they had closer ties to Bosh than the fans. I am sure they were more affected by Bosh's decision than all of us. They are the ones with a public profile. They had to voice their displeasures, not only to side with the general fanbase, but also because of their own personal ties with Chris. No matter how unprofessional they sound, their feelings conveyed through their message were real.
I am not saying that Bosh is by any means chained to this city. He certainly had the right to leave. He left but he did not keep his mouth shut. He tried to defend his departure. In doing so, he angered the fanbase who were just initially sad that their adopted son left them. While booing is really a personal choice (I would boo), there is certainly no justifiable reason to cheer him on when CB4 is wearing an opposing jersey.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#77 » by J Dilla » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:38 pm

Strategist1 wrote:He even said he didn't know anything about culture...

Perhaps he's praising Toronto as a very cultured and multicultural city.

Fact is Dallas and Toronto are very different, the ethnic populations are very different.

Caucasion, African American, and Latino populations are huge there. The food is different too... They have American (diner type food), Tex-Mex (Ameri-Mexican) food... Collge sports and football are huge there... while here we have hockey and curling. That's what shown on TV.

Perhaps the question he was asked, as a 19 year old coming into the league, how did you view coming to Toronto and the Raptors?

Its all about context.


Toronto fans are pretty **** dumb when it comes to taking things into context.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#78 » by Mattd97 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:47 pm

I think theres a perfectly logical and reasonable case for cheering bosh (before the game - you dont cheer opponents); but booing him is much more fun so I would boo.
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#79 » by Too Late Crew » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:48 pm

jxy007 wrote: While booing is really a personal choice (I would boo), there is certainly no justifiable reason to cheer him on when CB4 is wearing an opposing jersey.



Thank god you posted! I've been seaching for so long for some to tell me what is a justifiable reason to cheer. The rules were all so confusing and vauge what is justifed and what is not. Now I understand its not what I think or what matters to me but that YOU alone can tell us all what is "justified".

Seriously though..there is no obvious scenario other thatn Bosh resigning in Toronto that would not result in him being booed.

If he had come out at the start of the year last year in the Media and said " My time here is done I will not be coming back and I'll work woth the Raptorsd to get the best trade they can he'd be crucified. If he kep absolutley quite all year fans would accuse him of stonewalling and not helping the Raptors make a trade on plan for next year.

No matter how he did it or why or how much he praised Toronto fans would boo when he comes back becuase they feel betrayed. He "rejected" them and Toronto. Even if he said "It was the best place ever and I wish I did not have to go" people would say Well why di you go then..we don't belive you.

Just watch the Carmelo situation. He keep saying he doesn't want to be like Bosh or Lebron. He says he's being "honest" about his intetnions and what he wants and will or won't do. If he leaves (even in a trade) when he comes back he's gonna get booed. They will complain about him being hurt this year. They will say "we are better off becuase we never won anything with him here"
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Re: The Case to cheer Chris Bosh 

Post#80 » by PdiC » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:04 pm

Pretty good take on it by Kelly Dwyer:

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chris-Bosh-returns-to-Toronto?urn=nba-322291

But, as the two kindly souls I quoted above will be the first to tell you, those boos will ring hollow at their core. Yes, Bosh will be booed quite a bit. But Raptor fans -- most of them -- know what's up. Bosh was never a franchise player, and while he could have handled his move to Miami better, you can't blame the guy for leaving these Raptors for that crew of MVP talents down in South Beach.


And the Raptors fans are right to boo. At the end of Chris' Toronto Story, he left the team. There were good and even great reasons to leave the Toronto Raptors last summer, but he still left the team to go play for another. And in the world of sports, that's a boo-able offense.
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