[Camelo Thread Part 19] - Nyets won't be used pg 52

[Stern_Sux]

As an outside observer and my first post here and also not being a Knicks or Nuggets fan. What do you want Denver to do? Take your first low-ball offer or take the alleged, new Nets offer?

It seems not to be Denver's call, does it? Melo holds all the cards.

I'm aware it's his call and he's the one who has to agree on the extension with the Nets. I'm just saying, if I'm the Denver FO, I'm trying to get the best deal I can get. Maybe they know something we don't, maybe Melo will cave.

If Melo told the Denver FO that he didn't want to be with any other team but the Knicks, then why is Denver fielding different offers? Not Melo's agents saying it, but if Melo himself told them? I believe Melo doesn't know what the hell he wants...except his money.

[K_ick_God]

As an outside observer and my first post here and also not being a Knicks or Nuggets fan. What do you want Denver to do? Take your first low-ball offer or take the alleged, new Nets offer?

There is no Nyets offer. The Nyets' owner got out a month ago because 1. the price was too high and 2. the talks went public. So now, the prize is even more expensive and talks are still public and now he is ready to make a deal? His assistant already stated he hasn't changed his mind. The Nyets will try again but they will not be looking to pay more than last time for Melo.....for the third time. It simply makes no sense. This is the Denver FO creating another rumor and once again it immediately being denied, just like the Lakers rumor.

So you think Wojina is just making it up based on Denver sources?

[nyknicks2k2]

As an outside observer and my first post here and also not being a Knicks or Nuggets fan. What do you want Denver to do? Take your first low-ball offer or take the alleged, new Nets offer?

Frankly, I don't give a damn!

That right there is a Stephen A. response if ive ever seen one!

Needed more caps IMO

[BBALLER4FR]

One more thing -- if the Nets are just trying to up the ante and get the Knicks to give up more, then why make the deal they're offering so good?

The Knicks can't beat that offer, at least not in Denver's eyes, so it's best to make it a reasonably high offer so the Knicks have to match/beat it. Right now it's too high to even come close. So it doesn't force the Knicks to do more -- it still forces Melo to decide and doesn't make the Knicks give up more.

You amaze me. Why are you trying to figure out the secret ingredient to bat$hit? I don't want to know what the secret ingredient is. I only want to tell others not to eat it.

[moocow007]

As an outside observer and my first post here and also not being a Knicks or Nuggets fan. What do you want Denver to do? Take your first low-ball offer or take the alleged, new Nets offer?

It seems not to be Denver's call, does it? Melo holds all the cards.

I'm aware it's his call and he's the one who has to agree on the extension with the Nets. I'm just saying, if I'm the Denver FO, I'm trying to get the best deal I can get. Maybe they know something we don't, maybe Melo will cave.

If Melo told the Denver FO that he didn't want to be with any other team but the Knicks, then why is Denver fielding different offers? Not Melo's agents saying it, but if Melo himself told them? I believe Melo doesn't know what the hell he wants...except his money.

To get the Knicks to bite and give up what they have asked the Knicks for? Dude...where have you been for 1800 pages?

[knicks742]

Woj article back on yahoo website. I really think the Prokorov's spokeman statement was a mixed message. The first line said Prokorvov has not changed his mind, but when asked if Prokorvov has told front office not to talk to Denver, the spokeman said that was wrong. I dont know but seems that Prokorov's mind can be changed with meeting.

I think it's fair to say that the Nyets will get back at it but at a lower price than before, not higher. The Nyets are, smartly, keeping their options open in case they can 1. pay less and 2. convince Melo. Nothing wrong with that, still doesn't make the current offer any more real and anymore of a problem for the Knicks.

[NYK_Lampe]

As an outside observer and my first post here and also not being a Knicks or Nuggets fan. What do you want Denver to do? Take your first low-ball offer or take the alleged, new Nets offer?

It seems not to be Denver's call, does it? Melo holds all the cards.

I'm aware it's his call and he's the one who has to agree on the extension with the Nets. I'm just saying, if I'm the Denver FO, I'm trying to get the best deal I can get. Maybe they know something we don't, maybe Melo will cave.

If Melo told the Denver FO that he didn't want to be with any other team but the Knicks, then why is Denver fielding different offers? Not Melo's agents saying it, but if Melo himself told them? I believe Melo doesn't know what the hell he wants...except his money.

They would do it to drive up the Knicks offer that they obviously didnt like

[moocow007]

As an outside observer and my first post here and also not being a Knicks or Nuggets fan. What do you want Denver to do? Take your first low-ball offer or take the alleged, new Nets offer?

There is no Nyets offer. The Nyets' owner got out a month ago because 1. the price was too high and 2. the talks went public. So now, the prize is even more expensive and talks are still public and now he is ready to make a deal? His assistant already stated he hasn't changed his mind. The Nyets will try again but they will not be looking to pay more than last time for Melo.....for the third time. It simply makes no sense. This is the Denver FO creating another rumor and once again it immediately being denied, just like the Lakers rumor.

So you think Wojina is just making it up based on Denver sources?

If it looks like crap, smells like crap and tastes like crap...chances are...it's crap.

[HarthorneWingo]

It seems not to be Denver's call, does it? Melo holds all the cards.

I'm aware it's his call and he's the one who has to agree on the extension with the Nets. I'm just saying, if I'm the Denver FO, I'm trying to get the best deal I can get. Maybe they know something we don't, maybe Melo will cave.

If Melo told the Denver FO that he didn't want to be with any other team but the Knicks, then why is Denver fielding different offers? Not Melo's agents saying it, but if Melo himself told them? I believe Melo doesn't know what the hell he wants...except his money.

To get the Knicks to bite and give up what they have asked the Knicks for? Dude...where have you been for 1800 pages?

Exactly.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

One more thing -- if the Nets are just trying to up the ante and get the Knicks to give up more, then why make the deal they're offering so good?

The Knicks can't beat that offer, at least not in Denver's eyes, so it's best to make it a reasonably high offer so the Knicks have to match/beat it. Right now it's too high to even come close. So it doesn't force the Knicks to do more -- it still forces Melo to decide and doesn't make the Knicks give up more.

That's only if you believe that the imaginary offer is really better. Honestly, it's not better than the crazy proposal that the Knicks got. Not even close.

Exactly, 4 draft #1 picks (with an equal chance of a decent player or a bust) versus the 4 starters they were supposedly demanding from the Knicks.

[knicks742]

As an outside observer and my first post here and also not being a Knicks or Nuggets fan. What do you want Denver to do? Take your first low-ball offer or take the alleged, new Nets offer?

There is no Nyets offer. The Nyets' owner got out a month ago because 1. the price was too high and 2. the talks went public. So now, the prize is even more expensive and talks are still public and now he is ready to make a deal? His assistant already stated he hasn't changed his mind. The Nyets will try again but they will not be looking to pay more than last time for Melo.....for the third time. It simply makes no sense. This is the Denver FO creating another rumor and once again it immediately being denied, just like the Lakers rumor.

So you think Wojina is just making it up based on Denver sources?

I believe the Nyets are still in play. I do not believe they are going to pay a higher price to get Melo. This supposed deal is worst than the last one, they take on more salary, they give up a gazillion picks and they still give up Harris and Favors.

[NoLayupRule]

The path this is taking is making it very much ok for us to let the Carmelo trade pass and to take our chances on free agency.

Carmelo won't resign if he's not traded. He will look at the Denver mgmt as haven demanded impossible terms.

He will see nene headed to south beach.
He will see billups considering taking the player option if he cant get something better elsewhere but being all about himself.
He will see Hamilton take a gig in Boston or Miami or somewhere he can win.
He will see NY doing fine without him but making it wry clear that the summer is the summer of Carmelo coming to NY.

And he will see old man grouch Karl and useless novice Denver GM promising him whatever he wants in one breath and threatening him with the next.

Carmelo will risk free agency. He can make the difference back in NY.

[moocow007]

Guys? Have we learned nothing after 1863 pages of posts on this, many involving made up "sources" providing "info" about what's happening?

[Clyde_Style]

One more thing -- if the Nets are just trying to up the ante and get the Knicks to give up more, then why make the deal they're offering so good?

The Knicks can't beat that offer, at least not in Denver's eyes, so it's best to make it a reasonably high offer so the Knicks have to match/beat it. Right now it's too high to even come close. So it doesn't force the Knicks to do more -- it still forces Melo to decide and doesn't make the Knicks give up more.

You amaze me. Why are you trying to figure out the secret ingredient to bat$hit? I don't want to know what the secret ingredient is. I only want to tell others not to eat it.

Flies, Mosquitos, basically any airborne nocturnal insect.

[yesimmad]

opps I guess my post must have upset the RealGM Overlords.

[moocow007]

opps I guess my post must have upset the RealGM Overlords.

What are you talking about kermit?

[K_ick_God]

One more thing -- if the Nets are just trying to up the ante and get the Knicks to give up more, then why make the deal they're offering so good?

The Knicks can't beat that offer, at least not in Denver's eyes, so it's best to make it a reasonably high offer so the Knicks have to match/beat it. Right now it's too high to even come close. So it doesn't force the Knicks to do more -- it still forces Melo to decide and doesn't make the Knicks give up more.

You amaze me. Why are you trying to figure out the secret ingredient to bat$hit? I don't want to know what the secret ingredient is. I only want to tell others not to eat it.

True. But if it's a lie then it's a really bad lie. At least lie well.

[knicks742]

opps I guess my post must have upset the RealGM Overlords.

What are you talking about kermit?

I think she forgot to press submit and now is blaming us.

[BBALLER4FR]

One more thing -- if the Nets are just trying to up the ante and get the Knicks to give up more, then why make the deal they're offering so good?

The Knicks can't beat that offer, at least not in Denver's eyes, so it's best to make it a reasonably high offer so the Knicks have to match/beat it. Right now it's too high to even come close. So it doesn't force the Knicks to do more -- it still forces Melo to decide and doesn't make the Knicks give up more.

You amaze me. Why are you trying to figure out the secret ingredient to bat$hit? I don't want to know what the secret ingredient is. I only want to tell others not to eat it.

Flies, Mosquitos, basically any airborne nocturnal insect.

You make me

[moocow007]

One more thing -- if the Nets are just trying to up the ante and get the Knicks to give up more, then why make the deal they're offering so good?

The Knicks can't beat that offer, at least not in Denver's eyes, so it's best to make it a reasonably high offer so the Knicks have to match/beat it. Right now it's too high to even come close. So it doesn't force the Knicks to do more -- it still forces Melo to decide and doesn't make the Knicks give up more.

You amaze me. Why are you trying to figure out the secret ingredient to bat$hit? I don't want to know what the secret ingredient is. I only want to tell others not to eat it.

True. But if it's a lie then it's a really bad lie. At least lie well.

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