Denver-NJ in "advanced" talks

[Parataxis]

Knicks stay losing. Where is Deron or CP3 going? NYK or NJN?

Ummm, NY signed A Max Free Agent

No, they decided to pay Amar'e the max. Not quite the same thing.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

I dont think anyone can answer that until the Melo deal is done and we know where he is going and for whom.

I could see Paul taking a small paycut, the endorsement opportunities in NY can make up for any salarie differences

Did I miss something here since when did all these players start taking pay cuts to play for the Knicks. I saw a great quote from someone in another thread. "It took the Knicks a decade to get to .500 and 2 months to become cocky". Love it. If the Knicks think Melo and Amare can get them a ring then go for it cause once that deal goes through they will have nothing but the MLE to improve for the next 2-3 years.

The Nets aren't giving up this package, this is just DEN driving up the price. I think they will get back in the deal for the right price but not for whats being reported.

The bolded is my favorite 'Knick-ism'. Its the same logic that was going to net them Lebron and Bosh. But I guess Amare didn't get the memo when he signed that 100 million dollar deal (20 million more than anyone else was offering).

Unless Paul is going to play for a contract starting at 14 million (5 million less than what he would be entitled to) NY cant afford him, Amare, and Carmelo.

[Soap345]

Um correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it against the rules for Melo to meet with other teams' executives while still under contract with Denver?

Both Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan and Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov are scheduled to meet with Carmelo Anthony during All-Star Weekend in Los Angeles.

Anthony's representatives will be responsible for setting up the meetings with the two owners.

Dolan and Prokhorov will receive an audience in a similar way to what was arranged during LeBron James' free agency.

It is not clear why Anthony would need to meet with Dolan, considering the Knicks have been his top choice for months.

One league executive believes that Anthony, like James, simply wants to hear straight from Dolan what the future holds for the Knicks.
Whether or not Donnie Walsh will be in attendance is not known, but Garden president Scott O'Neil and assistant general manager Allan Houston will likely attend beside Dolan.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... th_Anthony

Wtf? I'm almost positive that's not allowed.

They can if Denver gives them permission

But why would they? I mean, if they trade Melo to NY, its not like he is going to say no. THe only thing that can happen there is they convince him to say absolutely no way no NJ.... I mean really what is in it for denver to allow NY to talk to him?

[Jordan45822]

But why would they? I mean, if they trade Melo to NY, its not like he is going to say no. THe only thing that can happen there is they convince him to say absolutely no way no NJ.... I mean really what is in it for denver to allow NY to talk to him?

I don't see whats the big deal here.

[Parataxis]

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Wtf? I'm almost positive that's not allowed.

They can if Denver gives them permission

But why would they? I mean, if they trade Melo to NY, its not like he is going to say no. THe only thing that can happen there is they convince him to say absolutely no way no NJ.... I mean really what is in it for denver to allow NY to talk to him?[/quote]

Because nobody will trade anything of any worth for Melo unless they're sure he'll sign an extension. So without getting to talk to him in advance, there's no chance of a trade.

[Jordan45822]

Because nobody will trade anything of any worth for Melo unless they're sure he'll sign an extension. So without getting to talk to him in advance, there's no chance of a trade.

Yeah that and CAA could have also told Denver that their client wants to meet with the Knicks as well.

[killbuckner]

LOL@ the people who think the Nets would not trade for Carmelo now. THe reason the nets pulled out is that at the time Carmelo wasn't going to sign with the nets. They needed to wait until closer to the deadline where Carmelo would have to decide whether he was really willing to give up 20 million dollars to play for the Knicks. And Carmelo has been reading story after story about how the Knicks would rather keep Gallinari than trade for Carmelo and of course its going to irritate him. No way would he choose to give up 20 million dollars just so the Knicks can keep his backup on the roster.

So now the NUggets will give him the choice. They'll tell him the package they have on the table to trade him to the Knicks- and he'll know that he is far better than any of the players the Knicks are giving up. Or else he can go to New Jersey and get paid. Or else he can give up 20 million dollars just because the Knicks wouldn't pay the price to get him.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Woj is reporting that at least one of those NJ first rounders are going to a third team to take on the expiring contract of Troy Murphy.

[Jordan45822]

Woj is reporting that at least one of those NJ first rounders are going to a third team to take on the expiring contract of Troy Murphy.

Sounds like Cleveland to me, they have a trade exception to take him on and a draft pick or two would be good for them. I doubt Nets touch Rip's contract anymore.

[tranjSAIC]

IF the Knicks land Melo they will be a better team but I still don't see them as championship contenders. Personally I think the only teams that have a shot this year are, Lakers, Boston, Miami, and Spurs. There are a few other teams that are close to the elite but aren't quite there yet. Getting Melo would put Knicks in that 2nd tier of teams.

I really hope all this NJ talk is BS, if they trade all of those assets for Melo, there is no way in hell they will be able to field a elite team. How are they going to improve?! Melo isn't even worth all of those assets!!

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Woj is reporting that at least one of those NJ first rounders are going to a third team to take on the expiring contract of Troy Murphy.

Sounds like Cleveland to me, they have a trade exception to take him on and a draft pick or two would be good for them. I doubt Nets touch Rip's contract anymore.

That was my first thought as well.

[eslr]

Woj is reporting that at least one of those NJ first rounders are going to a third team to take on the expiring contract of Troy Murphy.

Sounds like Cleveland to me, they have a trade exception to take him on and a draft pick or two would be good for them. I doubt Nets touch Rip's contract anymore.

That was my first thought as well.

Seems like it would be pretty simple. Murphy is owed $3.5 mill for the remainder of the season. The Nuggets or Nets kick in $3 mill cash to the Cavs along with the pick. The Cavs probably have a pre-negotiated buy-out with Murphy where he takes $1 mill less to be released and play for a contender. Cavs make a bit of money and get a pick for free. Denver saves a boat load. Murphy gets to a contender and can play for a new contract without giving up too much money. Seems like a win-win-win-win.

And judging from Colangelos recent comments, it doesnt seem like the Cavs can hold out for much better with that TE.

[JustOneFix]

This is why you never, ever, ever hire Billy King as a GM of your team.

Guy's a franchise gravedigger. He ruined Sixers, now he's doin the same with the Nets. That russian fool is lucky that Melo's isn't willing to sign an extension or otherwise, good ol' Billy would blow his team to pieces.

[eslr]

I really hope all this NJ talk is BS, if they trade all of those assets for Melo, there is no way in hell they will be able to field a elite team. How are they going to improve?! Melo isn't even worth all of those assets!!

NJ has more cap space flexibility, particularly if they deal Harris. I

f they could somehow do Harris and outlaw for Dre Miller and Prybilla they would be in fantastic shape cap wise. Sign David West in the off season and then be a shoe-in (and be right on the border of having max money to throw at him) to sign CP3 in 2012. Cp3/Melo/West/Lopez is gnarly.

[devv83]

Am I the only one that doesnt even consider Carmello 'that great'. He's good, but if the Nuggets dont get this deal done that NJ is offering, then i would **** a brick.

No..I agree with you. he's basically a Durant type w/o the eff or just a slighter more eff Danny Granger.

Granger's TS% in the last 3 seasons:
58.4%
56.4%
55.6%

Melo's TS% in the same period:
53.2%
54.8%
54.7%

This is the reason why some advanced stats suck. Melo is literally better than Danny Granger in every way on the basketball court besides three point shooting. Defense is a wash. Their both average defenders.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Granger's TS% in the last 3 seasons:
58.4%
56.4%
55.6%

Melo's TS% in the same period:
53.2%
54.8%
54.7%

This is the reason why some advanced stats suck. Melo is literally better than Danny Granger in every way on the basketball court besides three point shooting. Defense is a wash. Their both average defenders.

How does Melo being a better player show that TS% sucks? Granger is a more efficient scorer - but at lower volume. TS% only shows efficiency - nothing else. I have to know and understand that efficiency is effected by volume.

It is up to the reader to understand and interpret the meaning of the stat correctly. A stat doesn't 'suck' just because you don't understand it.

[Alex Trevelyan]

I'm not sure what rock you have been living under but Donnie Walsh has been doing an amazing job in NY. The plan is to get better and they are doing that in anyway they can.Signings, trades, draft...

Donnie Walsh is well-respected. He's also 70-years old and isn't going to be in the Knicks front office for much longer. Walsh has said he's not going to gut the roster to get one guy and that's the wise man talking. Unfortunately for Walsh, Dolan is one of the worst owners in professional sports. He spends money, but spends it foolishly. Everyone knows the rumors floating around about Isiah whispering in Dolan's ear, undermining Walsh, trying to worm his way back into the Knicks organization.

And for all of Walsh's considerable talents as a general manager, he paid Amar'e Stoudemire, a player with serious injury concerns, max money when no one else was offering him max money. What do you want to bet that that deal eventually comes back to bite the Knicks in the rump? Trading for Anthony comes off as a move Dolan is pushing more than Walsh. Be realistic, what do the Knicks do for themselves by trading for Melo and having he and Stoudemire on the same team? Neither can play defense and they don't compliment each other offensively. A smarter play would be to let the Nets mortgage everything for Melo, then wait another year for Chris Paul. Paul makes the Knicks a much better team then Melo does and the fact is the Knicks can't sign all three, it's a fantasy, there is no conceivable way it can be done.

[Raps in 4]

NJ getting robbed if true. This also shows how bad BC and Ferry are at their jobs.

[devv83]

Granger's TS% in the last 3 seasons:
58.4%
56.4%
55.6%

Melo's TS% in the same period:
53.2%
54.8%
54.7%

This is the reason why some advanced stats suck. Melo is literally better than Danny Granger in every way on the basketball court besides three point shooting. Defense is a wash. Their both average defenders.

How does Melo being a better player show that TS% sucks? Granger is a more efficient scorer - but at lower volume. TS% only shows efficiency - nothing else. I have to know and understand that efficiency is effected by volume.

It is up to the reader to understand and interpret the meaning of the stat correctly. A stat doesn't 'suck' just because you don't understand it.

Melo is a better player period in every way besides three point shooting. The stat might not suck but people need to watch games as well. Some people just throw that stat out there like it completely measures a player.

[thegreatblaze]

RT @al_iannazzone: Sources: there is a tentative agreement between the Nets and Nuggets for Carmelo Anthony. Still need him to agree to ext.
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