Denver-NJ in "advanced" talks

High0ctane21 · Post #121 » by **High0ctane21** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:26 pm

secund2nun wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with Carmelo. NY is better off waiting and making a run at Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Both of those guys are clearly better than Carmelo, especially Dwight Howard.

As good as Carmelo is, he is not a superstar and he is not worth a max contract.

If Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson are worth a max contract, than Melo definitely deserves the max.

The Skyhook · Post #122 » by **The Skyhook** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:26 pm

moocow007 wrote:All Melo needs to do is to realize that he just has to say "thanks but no thanks" to the Nets and the Nuggets WILL trade him. They aren't going to keep him so he isn't going to risk losing on on that money.

Yeah but the Nets won't agree on the trade if Melo doesn't want to sign.

Post #123 » by **moocow007** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:28 pm

eslr wrote:
magnumt wrote:
dcash4 wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Al_Iannazzone

Then he be pack-peddling.

Because NUMEROUS news outlets have backed the 4 Team NJ-DEN-CHA-UTA deal, and the DET-NJN-DEN deals.

Anything else today DCash?

--Mags

Those other two I think they always said "the basic framework has been agreed upon" but never "a deal has been agreed upon contingent upon Melo"

? So why was Proko looking to meet with Melo before and why would Denver give Proko approval to do so? You guys are arguing semantics, bottom line is ALL deals (at any stage involving any team) is ALL CONTINGENT on Melo being willing to resign!!!

They (the Nuggets) can figure out a way to trade for the entire country of Switzerland and it would mean diddly squat if Melo isn't willing to resign.

Knicker23 · Post #124 » by **Knicker23** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:28 pm

The Skyhook wrote:
moocow007 wrote:All Melo needs to do is to realize that he just has to say "thanks but no thanks" to the Nets and the Nuggets WILL trade him. They aren't going to keep him so he isn't going to risk losing on on that money.

Yeah but the Nets won't agree on the trade if Melo doesn't want to sign.

and that's the point...

devv83 · Post #125 » by **devv83** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:28 pm

secund2nun wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with Carmelo. NY is better off waiting and making a run at Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Both of those guys are clearly better than Carmelo, especially Dwight Howard.

As good as Carmelo is, he is not a superstar and he is not worth a max contract.

People keep saying this, but eventually you need to get someone alot can change in two yrs. If you got a chance to get Melo you get him now. Lets not act like Melo some avg player and the market dictates Melo is a max contract. Every team in the NBA would pay Melo the max. I trust them more the guys on real gm

secund2nun · Post #126 » by **secund2nun** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:30 pm

BlazersRizing wrote:
secund2nun wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with Carmelo. NY is better off waiting and making a run at Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Both of those guys are clearly better than Carmelo, especially Dwight Howard.

As good as Carmelo is, he is not a superstar and he is not worth a max contract.

Chris Paul is better than Melo? you been watchin the past few weeks? I gotta disagree. (yes CP3 is playing hurt, I know)

Yes Paul is clearly better than Melo. It is not as huge of a gap as the one between Dwight Howard and Melo though.

magicman123 · Post #127 » by **magicman123** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:30 pm

nets have a lot of work to do

eslr · Post #128 » by **eslr** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:30 pm

moocow007 wrote:Those other two I think they always said "the basic framework has been agreed upon" but never "a deal has been agreed upon contingent upon Melo"

? So why was Proko looking to meet with Melo before and why would Denver give Proko approval to do so? You guys are arguing semantics, bottom line is ALL deals (at any stage involving any team) is ALL CONTINGENT on Melo being willing to resign!!!

They (the Nuggets) can figure out a way to trade for the entire country of Switzerland and it would mean diddly squat if Melo isn't willing to resign.[/quote]
Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was all dependent on Murphys willingness to re-sign in denver.

Post #129 » by **moocow007** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:30 pm

The Skyhook wrote:
moocow007 wrote:All Melo needs to do is to realize that he just has to say "thanks but no thanks" to the Nets and the Nuggets WILL trade him. They aren't going to keep him so he isn't going to risk losing on on that money.

Yeah but the Nets won't agree on the trade if Melo doesn't want to sign.

I meant "the Nuggets WILL trade him to the Knicks". The Nets not agreeing is exactly what will happen if Melo just says "no I won't extend" at which point the Nuggets have really only one other team to deal with...the Knicks.

The Nuggets aren't going to keep him cause it's been pretty darn obvious he doesn't want to be there. It would make no sense for them (or Melo) to drag this out into the summer when the new CBA will very likely force Melo to accept less and make Melo more beligerent against the Nuggets (and increasing the likelihood that he will just leave them with pocket lint).

But it all depends on whether he realizes that and whether he has enough balls to say "no".

secund2nun · Post #130 » by **secund2nun** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:31 pm

High0ctane21 wrote:
secund2nun wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with Carmelo. NY is better off waiting and making a run at Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Both of those guys are clearly better than Carmelo, especially Dwight Howard.

As good as Carmelo is, he is not a superstar and he is not worth a max contract.

If Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson are worth a max contract, than Melo definitely deserves the max.

Just because JJ and Lewis got a max contract does not mean they were worth one. Those were 2 of the worst contracts in NBA history and the Lewis contract could be responsible for Dwight Howard leaving Orlando.

JF5 · Post #131 » by **JF5** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:31 pm

Honestly with this trade, they can get Chris Paul or Deron Williams in 2012 still.

One of them opts out, and joins Carmelo and Brook Lopez.

Plus Chauncey Billups contract ends after that. Plus they're going to Brooklyn

The Nets will be a successful hot spots, and destinations for fans and future free-agents.

magicman123 · Post #132 » by **magicman123** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:32 pm

hes better off staying in denver

Knicker23 · Post #133 » by **Knicker23** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:32 pm

secund2nun wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with Carmelo. NY is better off waiting and making a run at Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Both of those guys are clearly better than Carmelo, especially Dwight Howard.

As good as Carmelo is, he is not a superstar and he is not worth a max contract.

Are you out of your mind? :lol:

So you think it's smart to pass on the max star that wants to come play with us now for the pie in the sky Dwight Howard? Com'on dude, be smart.

eslr · Post #134 » by **eslr** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:33 pm

moocow007 wrote:
The Skyhook wrote:
moocow007 wrote:All Melo needs to do is to realize that he just has to say "thanks but no thanks" to the Nets and the Nuggets WILL trade him. They aren't going to keep him so he isn't going to risk losing on on that money.

Yeah but the Nets won't agree on the trade if Melo doesn't want to sign.

I meant "the Nuggets WILL trade him to the Knicks". The Nets not agreeing is exactly what will happen if Melo just says "no I won't extend" at which point the Nuggets have really only one other team to deal with...the Knicks.

But it all depends on whether he realizes that and whether he has enough balls to say "no".

The Nuggets can also say "look, NY isnt offering **** for you. It doesnt look like they want you that bad. We are ready to keep you rather than deal you for a bad package. Its NJ or bust if you want that max extension."

Everyone in Melos camp is pushing him to NJ. Between that and the prospect of losing a huge amount of money he might crack.

KB24Gold · Post #135 » by **KB24Gold** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:33 pm

If Melo wanted to go to NJ he would of agreed a long time ago. Why now when he's this close to getting what he wants. He should decline them again and make it even more clear than he has before its either NY or FA.

I'm just glad this crap is almost done. Whether he goes to NJ or NY the league can finally move on and forget this mess.

Post #136 » by **magnumt** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:34 pm

dcash4 wrote:why so angry?

link?

Who's mad? Sounds more like someone is sensitive again at their favorite Team to hate on might actually not be in bad spot anymore.

All I asked you was if there's anything else we can do for you today. :lol:

Next time reading comprehension my man. :lol:

As for link, sure: http://www.google.com/

moocow007 wrote:
eslr wrote:
magnumt wrote:Then he be pack-peddling.

Because NUMEROUS news outlets have backed the 4 Team NJ-DEN-CHA-UTA deal, and the DET-NJN-DEN deals.

Anything else today DCash?

--Mags

Those other two I think they always said "the basic framework has been agreed upon" but never "a deal has been agreed upon contingent upon Melo"

? So why was Proko looking to meet with Melo before and why would Denver give Proko approval to do so? You guys are arguing semantics, bottom line is ALL deals (at any stage involving any team) is ALL CONTINGENT on Melo being willing to resign!!!

They (the Nuggets) can figure out a way to trade for the entire country of Switzerland and it would mean diddly squat if Melo isn't willing to resign.

Exactly.

The NJ, Denver, and many other Boards, Sports Sites, and News Outlets were all posting the same things about those prior two deals being agreed to and awaiting word from Melo on an Extension.

The final proof being: RIP's benching for that week and a half.

--Mags

magicman123 · Post #137 » by **magicman123** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:36 pm

JF5 wrote:Honestly with this trade, they can get Chris Paul or Deron Williams in 2012 still.

One of them opts out, and joins Carmelo and Brook Lopez.

Plus Chauncey Billups contract ends after that. Plus they're going to Brooklyn

The Nets will be a successful hot spots, and destinations for fans and future free-agents.

better hope cp3 or deron takes a nice pay cut

Post #138 » by **dockingsched** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:36 pm

how was i hating on the knicks by posting nothing but a quote from the writer that broke this news that happened to directly address what you had just posted?

Knicker23 · Post #139 » by **Knicker23** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:37 pm

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Hard to imagine Prokhorov gets back into this only to be rejected again.

Probably why he wants to know if he'll be rejected today and somewhat under wraps rather than few days from now when everyone is watching.

vincecarter4pres · Post #140 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:38 pm

secund2nun wrote:
BlazersRizing wrote:
secund2nun wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with Carmelo. NY is better off waiting and making a run at Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Both of those guys are clearly better than Carmelo, especially Dwight Howard.

As good as Carmelo is, he is not a superstar and he is not worth a max contract.

Chris Paul is better than Melo? you been watchin the past few weeks? I gotta disagree. (yes CP3 is playing hurt, I know)

Yes Paul is clearly better than Melo. It is not as huge of a gap as the one between Dwight Howard and Melo though.

The gap is enormous.

Melo is the most overrated player in the league, period.