Denver-NJ in "advanced" talks

[eslr]

Exactly.

The NJ, Denver, and many other Boards, Sports Sites, and News Outlets were all posting the same things about those prior two deals being agreed to and awaiting word from Melo on an Extension.

The final proof being: RIP's benching for that week and a half.

--Mags

It looks like you remember it differently than other people. You might be right but at this point its just here-say, unless you quit the passive aggressive act and post something other than a google link.

[HarthorneWingo]

So maybe Donnie is still calling the shots. Let's hope so. I'm not going to shed any tears we end up not getting Melo. Not for the package that Denver was demanding. There will be other opportynities to improve the team.

[AllBall]

Melo Drama: Episode 16

This is getting interesting

[food4thought]

good luck melo have fun playing with this roster

Farmar
Morrow
Melo
Humphries
Lopez

Miami, Boston and Chicago be scared because it's about to get serious/

[Dr Positivity]

http://twitter.com/#!/Al_Iannazzone

All the other times the Nets and Nugs were close. to something. This is the 1st time they agreed. The big IF is Anthony.

I think the stage is set for the Nuggets to play chicken with Melo up until the deadline. Either take the extension or don't is the game. They're going to test just how serious the extension is for Melo. For Den the difference between NY's assets now and in the summer is not big enough. Especially when considering keeping Melo gives them playoff race sales and an outside chance a franchise tag letting them keep Melo with the new CBA

[magnumt]

how was i hating on the knicks by posting nothing but a quote from the writer that broke this news that happened to directly address what you had just posted?

You're dismissing one set of sources for another. What it all boils down to is no one knows what the hell is going on/ Not Iazzone, not Hahn, not Isola, not Broussard, not even the Front Offices it seems.

Exactly.

The NJ, Denver, and many other Boards, Sports Sites, and News Outlets were all posting the same things about those prior two deals being agreed to and awaiting word from Melo on an Extension.

The final proof being: RIP's benching for that week and a half.

--Mags

It looks like you remember it differently than other people. You might be right but at this point its just here-say, unless you quit the passive aggressive act and post something other than a google link.

So you're saying RIP Hamilton wasn't benched?

http://www.freep.com/article/20110119/S ... stons-dead

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=5627011

--Mags

[vincecarter4pres]

Am I the only one that doesnt even consider Carmello 'that great'.

I'm fully with you.

He's about the 18th best player in the league.

Melo is not a top tier star, but he is extremely valuable. One of the things that I think makes Carmelo very good (i dont know about "that great") is the fact that it is so easy to build around him.

Because he is so good at scoring from all over the court (posting up, mid range, facing up, off the pivot, jab step, fast break...the only thing that he isnt great at is 3 point shooting) and well above average at everything else (sans defense when he gets lazy) it is easy to surround him with a number of different type of players and have it work. You look at who he has played with at PG:

Andre Miller: A guy that couldnt shoot worth ****, dominated the ball, and passed a lot as a playmaker
Allen Iverson: A guy that could kind of shoot, dominated the ball, rarely passed and shot a lot
Chauncey Billups: A guy that can shoot, doesnt dominate the ball, both passes and shoots

He was able to thrive playing alongside all three of those guys with extremely different playing styles. I dont think Dwyane Wade or Lebron James, for example, could fit in so seamlessly with such different players.



I like Melo for the Nets because they seem to have no direction right now. Nothing solid to build around, Harris seems to be out the door, Brook is good but not great. Melo at least gives them a cornerstone to build off of, and a cornerstone that will be easy to build off of.

Melo isn't easy to build around what so ever.

All the examples you gave and he only made it out of the 1st round once with a roster tailor made around him.

You make a prime Andre Miller sound like a scrub.

The part about Wade and Lebron. Absolute and udder nonsense. I don't even care if it's somewhat true, Lebron carried a group of D Leaguers to the Finals and multiple deep playoff runs with 50+ wins for years.

Wade carried a team to the title with a bunch of AARP members and a half crippled Shaq and has been carrying his teams to above .500 playoff births pretty much every other season where the second best player was Udonis freakin' Haslem.

You cannot be serious?!

The Cavs are the NBA's worst team, a historically bad team without Lebron and the Heat went from a 44 win playoff team to the worst team in the league with 15 wins with Wade down for most of the season.

Melo does not compare with these other two in the least.

They are superstars.

Melo is not.

Melo is a superstar in name only.

The only thing he shares with Lebron and Wade is the same draft class and marketability.

Melo is a low level franchise player.

Not a 1st option on a Finals team.

You don't build around Melo, you build with him, as a 2nd option. He's the wing version of Pau Gasol.

This deal as reported will cripple the Nets into mediocrity if NJ doesn't add Chris Paul, Deron or Dwight all while keeping Brook Lopez or turning him into a third stud.

A team with Melo as the best player is not going very far.

[dockingsched]

how was i hating on the knicks by posting nothing but a quote from the writer that broke this news that happened to directly address what you had just posted?

You're dismissing one set of sources for another. What it all boils down to is no one knows what the hell is going on/ Not Iazzone, not Hahn, not Isola, not Broussard, not even the Front Offices it seems.

i didn't dismiss anything, i didn't say u were making stuff up or you were wrong, i simply asked you for a link to support your claims but you refused to give one, instead choosing to mock with a http://www.google.com link.

if its such common knowledge that the nets and nuggets have agreed to a deal several times before whats so hard about providing evidence for your claims? i know i head about "advanced talks", but don't recall any "agreed upon deal".

again, please explain how i was hating by quoting a writer that responded to the exact claim you had just made.

[Dr Positivity]

Well the Nyets probably have a decent chance at Paul, Deron or Dwight. Especially Deron. It's sounding more and more like he's closer to Melo than Paul upstairs. I could see him going Brooklyn Nets.. yes please!

[Dr Positivity]

Also Den got to the WCF that year... and I still think they were on the doorstep against the Lakers. Game 1 they clearly outplayed LA, Game 3 they blew a good 4th quarter lead. Give them Lawson to punish Fisher and take away some Ariza clutch plays and that's a different series. That was a really good Nuggets team

[The MVPlaya]

[Dr Positivity]

how was i hating on the knicks by posting nothing but a quote from the writer that broke this news that happened to directly address what you had just posted?

You're dismissing one set of sources for another. What it all boils down to is no one knows what the hell is going on/ Not Iazzone, not Hahn, not Isola, not Broussard, not even the Front Offices it seems.

i didn't dismiss anything, i didn't say u were making stuff up or you were wrong, i simply asked you for a link to support your claims but you refused to give one, instead choosing to mock with a http://www.google.com link.

if its such common knowledge that the nets and nuggets have agreed to a deal several times before whats so hard about providing evidence for your claims? i know i head about "advanced talks", but don't recall any "agreed upon deal".

again, please explain how i was hating by quoting a writer that responded to the exact claim you had just made.

From what I know the Pistons and Nets agreed to the Murphy, Hamilton Petro thing but Nuggets never agreed with Nets, they kept trying to swindle them

[SheedsWeed]

Wow, NJ is giving up a lot. My god. Unfortunately for Denver, I don't think Melo will accept the extension.

[omerome]

Meh.

Just end this one way or another.

[eslr]

All the examples you gave and he only made it out of the 1st round once with a roster tailor made around him.

I dont know how any of those players, except for Chauncey, could in the slightest be considered "tailor made around him". For his first three seasons, the Nuggets didnt have a single player that could shoot on the roster. In one playoff game against the Clippers I think the Nuggets went 1-16 from 3 point land while the Clippers triple teamed Melo and his teammates just kept clanking. Iverson tailor made to play with Melo? give me a freaking break. you are clueless. I dont even like Melo THAT much, but he is one of the easiest pieces to build around.

Melo does not compare with these other two in the least.

I never said he did. I said he can fit in in a wider range of schemes.

You don't build around Melo, you build with him, as a 2nd option. He's the wing version of Pau Gasol.

[quote+his deal as reported will cripple the Nets into mediocrity [/quote]
Thats a step in the right direction for you guys!!!! Be HAPPY!!!

A team with Melo as the best player is not going very far.

Conference finals aint too bad.

[dockingsched]

From what I know the Pistons and Nets agreed to the Murphy, Hamilton Petro thing but Nuggets never agreed with Nets, they kept trying to swindle them

i remember it that way too

anyway, just a little more certainty that the deal has been agreed upon pending melo's ext.

http://twitter.com/#!/Al_Iannazzone

I am 100 percent certain Nets and Nuggets have an agreement in place. Deal is pending Anthony's approval.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Meh.

Just end this one way or another.

On this, even Knicks and Bulls fans can agree.

[MaxRider]

Wow, NJ is giving up a lot. My god. Unfortunately for Denver, I don't think Melo will accept the extension.

just saw the deal on BSPN
i was like WTF is NJN owner smoking

[magnumt]

how was i hating on the knicks by posting nothing but a quote from the writer that broke this news that happened to directly address what you had just posted?

You're dismissing one set of sources for another. What it all boils down to is no one knows what the hell is going on/ Not Iazzone, not Hahn, not Isola, not Broussard, not even the Front Offices it seems.

i didn't dismiss anything, i didn't say u were making stuff up or you were wrong, i simply asked you for a link to support your claims but you refused to give one, instead choosing to mock with a http://www.google.com link.

if its such common knowledge that the nets and nuggets have agreed to a deal several times before whats so hard about providing evidence for your claims? i know i head about "advanced talks", but don't recall any "agreed upon deal".

again, please explain how i was hating by quoting a writer that responded to the exact claim you had just made.

Why should I do your legwork for you?

Some examples of the Nets prior attempts are mentioned here:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1092983&p=26859405#p26859317

Also, you weren't being mocked, but felt you were. You asked for a link and one was provided. Am I missing something here?

Also, I said the exact same thing in my prior posts as well: that the Nets have reached deals before only for them to fall apart. I re-iterate that Iazzone is back-peddling (which is my opinion), and that we as fans don't know who the hell to believe anymore (as I said above, not Iazzone, not Hahn, not Isola, not Broussard, not even the Front Offices here).

We're being fed A LOT of contradicting information from multiple angles, and sources like Twitter are only making it WORSE, not better as people would rather get the news out their 1st and jump-the-gun, rather than see what happens.

--Mags

P.S. I also said in my prior post(s) that this doesn't mean a deal with New Jersey and Denver won't get done, but based on prior circumstances that haven't.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Wow, NJ is giving up a lot. My god. Unfortunately for Denver, I don't think Melo will accept the extension.

just saw the deal on BSPN
i was like WTF is NJN owner smoking

From my post in another thread:


Melo isn't worth that much to anyone else, but he is to NJ. Moving into a new arena in a new city they need a star to market and build around. Melo is perfect.

As for the 4 first round picks - NJ has 5 first round picks over the next two years. So they'll stil have a first rounder next year at the very least.

NJ will have a marketable star, a probable .500 team, and the cap space to sign a mega-FA the season they move to Brooklyn.

This is a deal they need to make.