Denver-NJ in "advanced" talks

[magnumt]

Wow, NJ is giving up a lot. My god. Unfortunately for Denver, I don't think Melo will accept the extension.

just saw the deal on BSPN
i was like WTF is NJN owner smoking

From my post in another thread:


Melo isn't worth that much to anyone else, but he is to NJ. Moving into a new arena in a new city they need a star to market and build around. Melo is perfect.

As for the 4 first round picks - NJ has 5 first round picks over the next two years. So they'll stil have a first rounder next year at the very least.

NJ will have a marketable star, a probable .500 team, and the cap space to sign a mega-FA the season they move to Brooklyn.

This is a deal they need to make.

With that kind of offer, then can go after David West and Chris Paul, or even Deron Williams.

Not even KG, Lebron, or Bosh got those kind of returns.

--Mags

[devv83]

Melo is not a top tier star, but he is extremely valuable. One of the things that I think makes Carmelo very good (i dont know about "that great") is the fact that it is so easy to build around him.

Because he is so good at scoring from all over the court (posting up, mid range, facing up, off the pivot, jab step, fast break...the only thing that he isnt great at is 3 point shooting) and well above average at everything else (sans defense when he gets lazy) it is easy to surround him with a number of different type of players and have it work. You look at who he has played with at PG:

Andre Miller: A guy that couldnt shoot worth ****, dominated the ball, and passed a lot as a playmaker
Allen Iverson: A guy that could kind of shoot, dominated the ball, rarely passed and shot a lot
Chauncey Billups: A guy that can shoot, doesnt dominate the ball, both passes and shoots

He was able to thrive playing alongside all three of those guys with extremely different playing styles. I dont think Dwyane Wade or Lebron James, for example, could fit in so seamlessly with such different players.



I like Melo for the Nets because they seem to have no direction right now. Nothing solid to build around, Harris seems to be out the door, Brook is good but not great. Melo at least gives them a cornerstone to build off of, and a cornerstone that will be easy to build off of.[/quote]
Melo isn't easy to build around what so ever.

All the examples you gave and he only made it out of the 1st round once with a roster tailor made around him.

You make a prime Andre Miller sound like a scrub.

The part about Wade and Lebron. Absolute and udder nonsense. I don't even care if it's somewhat true, Lebron carried a group of D Leaguers to the Finals and multiple deep playoff runs with 50+ wins for years.

Wade carried a team to the title with a bunch of AARP members and a half crippled Shaq and has been carrying his teams to above .500 playoff births pretty much every other season where the second best player was Udonis freakin' Haslem.

You cannot be serious?!

The Cavs are the NBA's worst team, a historically bad team without Lebron and the Heat went from a 44 win playoff team to the worst team in the league with 15 wins with Wade down for most of the season.

Melo does not compare with these other two in the least.

They are superstars.

Melo is not.

Melo is a superstar in name only.

The only thing he shares with Lebron and Wade is the same draft class and marketability.

Melo is a low level franchise player.

Not a 1st option on a Finals team.

You don't build around Melo, you build with him, as a 2nd option. He's the wing version of Pau Gasol.

This deal as reported will cripple the Nets into mediocrity if NJ doesn't add Chris Paul, Deron or Dwight all while keeping Brook Lopez or turning him into a third stud.

A team with Melo as the best player is not going very far.

You clearly forgot to mention who the nuggets faced those yrs in the playoffs

Let see Melo's rookie year he faced MVP kg, spreweel, and cassell they made it to the western conference finals,

Second yr he faced the world champion spurs

Third yr faced a clippers team who actually tanked to get in the 5 spot to play the nuggets the second best player on that team was demarr johnson ( remember him), Kmart got suspended

fourth yr world champion spurs once again

fifth yr Lakers who went to the finals

seventh yr jazz who I admit the nuggets should have beat and Melo should take the blame for that even though he avg 30 8 and 3 on 48% shooting because he is the star

Stop acting like Melo had a cake walk, 4 out of the 6 times he was eliminated by the world champs or western conference finals reprasentative

As I can see though from every one of your posts you clearly have a problem with Melo its ok though everyone is entitled to there own opinion I just think about 99% of the baskeball world disagrees with you

[killbuckner]

Fans are freaking out over "four first round picks" but fans grossly overvalue non-lottery first round picks.

When you put names to the picks it makes more sense. Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard doesn't sound nearly as good.

[illiance]

Denver would come out looking like a genius if this went through. However, there's no way in hell Melo ends up with NJ. In fact, I'd be willing to bet my life on it.

[dockingsched]

Why should I do your legwork for you?

because when you make claims that are immediately contradicted, you usually want to provide some sort of evidence.

Some examples of the Nets prior attempts are mentioned here:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1092983&p=26859405#p26859317

i don't see where it says that all teams came to an agreement, just that trades were being proposed, etc. perhaps you define "a deal has been agreed to" a bit differently, but i think its being used here to mean that no more negotiations are taking place, that the deal will get done if melo says yes.

Also, you weren't being mocked, but felt you were. You asked for a link and one was provided. Am I missing something here?

i'm not the only one that senses this:

It looks like you remember it differently than other people. You might be right but at this point its just here-say, unless you quit the passive aggressive act and post something other than a google link.

perhaps its your posting style or the immediate claim that someone is hating.

Also, I said the exact same thing in my prior posts as well: that the Nets have reached deals before only for them to fall apart.

i don't believe any evidence has been provided to support that.

I re-iterate that Iazzone is back-peddling (which is my opinion)

any evidence to support that claim? i'm sure your basing your opinion on something, please share.

and that we as fans don't know who the hell to believe anymore (as I said above, not Iazzone, not Hahn, not Isola, not Broussard, not even the Front Offices here).

agreed, but i think we've gotten some pretty strong indications that a deal has finally been agreed upon. whether its the first time a deal has been agreed to is up for question, but evidence provided in this thread supports that is is the first time.

We're being fed A LOT of contradicting information from multiple angles, and sources like Twitter are only making it WORSE, not better as people would rather get the news out their 1st and jump-the-gun, rather than see what happens.

--Mags

agree with that, but this Iannazzone guy just tweeted some pretty strong info which i just posted ("100% certain")

[The Explorer]

dcash, here is the link

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_s ... y_yes.html

Sources: Nets, Nuggets reach agreement; now it's up to Carmelo Anthony to say yes
Friday, February 18, 2011
LAST UPDATED: FRIDAY FEBRUARY 18, 2011, 12:27 PM
BY AL IANNAZZONE
THE RECORD
STAFF WRITER
After nearly six months of pursuing Carmelo Anthony, countless phone calls, text messages, trade proposals, counteroffers and acrimonious times the Nets are close to landing the four-time All-Star small forward – finally.

[ikidunot]

ESPN is reporting deal is done. Melo is a Net.

[omerome]

ESPN is reporting deal is done. Melo is a Net.

Link please.

[food4thought]

Official word from NJ.com

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2011/0 ... nugge.html

where is all the source coming from?

[dockingsched]

ESPN is reporting deal is done. Melo is a Net.

the deal is done as in the players to be exchanged has been agreed to. melo still needs to agree to sign an extension.

[omerasik]

ESPN is reporting deal is done. Melo is a Net.

You're lying. Stop.

[ikidunot]

ESPN is reporting deal is done. Melo is a Net.

Link please.

Okay I read it wrong. They said deal is reached but Melo have to agree to 3 years, 65 million.

[magnumt]

^Iazzonne is the Nets version of Hahn/Isola. They've Tweeted and written before about a Nets-Nuggets (and Team X) deal being done, or very near done (IE: Offers made, and base parameters set).

Next thing you know we hear it's dead, or their Owner has taken the Team out of it.

This is becoming worse than the Lebron-drama. It's effecting pretty much the entire League right now as Teams either await followup deals, or the Nuggets Front Office keeps jerking people around (whether it be NJ, NY, or someone else).

The last deal NJ went all-in on for Melo, it fell apart for two reasons:

--The Petro contract
--Nuggets suddenly wanting to add Al Harrington's deal at the last minute

--Mags

[indiegrind]

lmaooooooo

melo says "what meeting"



http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=12950911


man, basketball reporting is getting beyond rediculous since this offseason.

[vincecarter4pres]

All the examples you gave and he only made it out of the 1st round once with a roster tailor made around him.

I dont know how any of those players, except for Chauncey, could in the slightest be considered "tailor made around him". For his first three seasons, the Nuggets didnt have a single player that could shoot on the roster. In one playoff game against the Clippers I think the Nuggets went 1-16 from 3 point land while the Clippers triple teamed Melo and his teammates just kept clanking. Iverson tailor made to play with Melo? give me a freaking break. you are clueless. I dont even like Melo THAT much, but he is one of the easiest pieces to build around.

Reading comprehension FTL.

I was talking about that one year they made it out of the 1st round.

Melo is like Iverson in a sense, that you need to build a perfect and specific lineup around him and then it is the type of roster that is going to have a tough time beating the other top squads.

I do agree that Melo would easily blend better with another star player that plays a different style to him, so in that sense he is better then Iverson, but I digress.

And don't insult me, no need to call me clueless because I don't agree with your biased opinion that you're clearly stating as fact.

Get off your high horse.

Melo does not compare with these other two in the least.

I never said he did. I said he can fit in in a wider range of schemes.

It's still absurd to even mention those two in the same sentence and you're basically wrong anyway, Lebron and Wade seem to be working quite well together and they're both super ball dominant players, so your argument holds little water.
Players of their tier find ways to coexist with other great players, they're on a different level.

You don't build around Melo, you build with him, as a 2nd option. He's the wing version of Pau Gasol.

This deal as reported will cripple the Nets into mediocrity

Thats a step in the right direction for you guys!!!! Be HAPPY!!!

Yeah, umm, nice backhanded parting shot.
Too bad that's exactly what the Nuggets were the entire time they had Melo.
And before Melo, you guys were a league worst train wreck for years.
People that live in glass houses shouldn't walk around naked.
The Nets may have a small fan base and our history isn't great, but what we did for almost a decade trumps the recent success of a ton of teams, one 12 win season does not cancel that out and it's not like the Nuggets are some power house team through NBA or ABA history either.

I mean you have never won a title, even in the ABA.

You guys had a recent run of 8 seasons under .500 and lotto bound!

Think before you speak.

A team with Melo as the best player is not going very far.

Conference finals aint too bad.

I will say this about Melo, his play wildly fluctuates and at times he has been a legit top 10 player.

But... but!

That team, everything came together in a sense that all those expensive pieces that Denver had added over the years were finally healthy at the same time and played as they were supposed to for a one month period.

On top of this, Billups presence and contribution was absolutely tremendous.

It's arguable Billups was the Nuggets best player that season and an equal to Melo in the playoffs as well as your most important player.

Melo is a very good player, but he's not worth this return and he is incredibly overrated league wide and especially by Nuggets fans.

He's a semi-efficient volume scorer with a bad attitude that does little else even though he has the talent to be one of the best all around players in the game.

Yuck.

[food4thought]

Knicks just licking their lips right about now, Nuggets seem desperate and trying to find ways to get Knicks to give in to the pressure.

Poor nets fans in all this.

[vincecarter4pres]

Fans are freaking out over "four first round picks" but fans grossly overvalue non-lottery first round picks.

When you put names to the picks it makes more sense. Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard doesn't sound nearly as good.

I would agree if one of these picks wasn't a guaranteed lotto pick, another one a very likely lotto pick and oh yeah, that Derrick Favors guy, just 8 months removed from being selected 3rd overall is in the deal as well.

[AllBall]

lmaooooooo

melo says "what meeting"



http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=12950911


man, basketball reporting is getting beyond rediculous since this offseason.

Anyways, why would he know about the meeting that the Nets are planning. He's not the one planning it. I could understand if they where reporting that they agreed to a meeting....

[Slava]

lmaooooooo

melo says "what meeting"



http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=12950911


man, basketball reporting is getting beyond rediculous since this offseason.

Either Melo is incredibly thick or he's morbidly arrogant. Prokhorov needs to kick this deal out and move on.

[slick_watts]

Isn't it weird for players under contract to have meeting with opposing team's ownership / management? I know Denver wants him to sign off but I can't remember anything like this ever happening before.