OT: Nets & Nuggets Reach Agreement On Trade;Now Its Up To CA

[DanTown8587]

i don't think you understand the concept of overpaying. you don't overpay michael jordan in his prime

Yes you do.

don't think there's much convincing you at this point. you're essentially saying that as long as your team is bad and some player is really good there's no limit to how much he can ask you for. that's shortsighted and it hurts both your franchise and your basketball team in the long term

Using the assets going out in the NJ Trade, tell me why this is bad.

What are the odds the picks they trade give them a
-Better C than Lopez
-Better SF than Anthony
-Better PG than Billups

That's 3/5 of their unit. Now the role players Morrow and Humphries. It's entirely possible to draft a player better than those two. But is it entirely possible that having a catch and shoot SG and a PF with great rebounding and doesn't require shots is something that makes sense to have on a team with a SF that likes to isolate and a C in the post? You can't make a better 5 for NJ than Billups/Morrow/Anthony/Humhpries/Lopez by keeping their assets. You can't. That's why this trade isn't bad for them in the basketball sense. Then add to it the vast marketing sense it makes, it's an easy trade to make.

Simple rule: you can't overpay for elite NBA talent. Especially if your team is 17-30.

[dice]

You know why your own system of adding value to draft picks is wrong for the NBA? You only play five guys

i'm not buying that. adding a particular quality of player to a great team i don't think is all that much different value-wise to that team as it would be to a poor team getting that player

You have to look at this in terms of who NJ is taking off the court and placing on it.

The top eight in minutes for NJ are
Lopez
Outlaw
Harris
Humphries
Morrow
Farmar
Favors
Vujacic

Guessing after the trade it goes to
Anthony (better than anyone previously listed)
Billups (better than anyone previously listed)
Lopez
Humphries
Morrow
Outlaw
Farmar
Vujacic

So basically, the Nets traded their #3 and #7 in terms of minutes players and got back two better players. Why is this a bad deal?

because of the draft picks? just because the nets get better immediately doesn't make it a good trade. they're limiting their future by giving up a **** of draft value and killing their capspace. all for a mediocre team. where's the sense in that?

[dice]

Simple rule: you can't overpay for elite NBA talent. Especially if your team is 17-30.

if that was true this deal would have been done long, long ago. and the GM of every bad team in the league is a moron

and p.s.: you're really stretching the definition of the word 'elite' if it includes carmelo anthony

[Red Larrivee]

The Nets are not killing their cap space. They would have enough cap space in 2012 to sign Paul, Williams or Howard. The Nets are not getting better by holding on to their draft picks.

They have a move to Brooklyn soon and not only do they need a star for marketing purposes, they need one because their team sucks balls. You can't have this team going into Brooklyn, or you will flop immediately. They get better immediately and they will in the long-term too.

[captaincrunk]

Is Prokhorov even in LA this weekend?

[dice]

You can't have this team going into Brooklyn, or you will flop immediately

they will still be thoroughly mediocre after making this trade. maybe nets fans are gullible enough to start snatching up nets tix and gear before realizing the screwup, but judging from how much the nets board hates this proposed trade, i doubt it

as for the long term, i'm not sure how trading the equivalent of a #1 overall pick (IMO, of course) doesn't hurt you in the long term

[Red Larrivee]

They are not going to be mediocre.

Carmelo Anthony + one of Deron, Paul or possibly Dwight Howard in 2012. Nobody is coming to the games right now, they will if Melo is there.

[dice]

They are not going to be mediocre.

Carmelo Anthony + one of Deron, Paul or possibly Dwight Howard in 2012

pretty big assumption there, no?

a bird in hand...

[ngeloh]

You aren't allowed to trade first round picks in consecutive years right? So, would the picks have be spread out over 8 years? one every other year?

[biggestbullsfan]

http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn/status/38682867672416256

From AP: Carmelo Anthony says “no meeting at all” is scheduled with the New Jersey Nets. #fb

http://twitter.com/#!/NetsDaily

Melo tells writers no meeting skedded with Nets, adds: "If I was to meet with that guy to be honest I really don't know what I would say."

Didn't I watch this movie before?

"Brooklyn is lame, Y sucks but its a bigger market. Ima go with them. You can suck it."

[Red Larrivee]

[pretty big assumption there, no?

Sure, but what other alternative do you propose? Waiting for Favors to develop? Praying those draft picks turn into halfway decent players?

[DanTown8587]

Simple rule: you can't overpay for elite NBA talent. Especially if your team is 17-30.

if that was true this deal would have been done long, long ago. and the GM of every bad team in the league is a moron

and p.s.: you're really stretching the definition of the word 'elite' if it includes carmelo anthony

Or because the bad team doesn't have the assets to get good players because you know, the team is bad. I mean how many bad teams also have assets to get good players? Not many would be the typical answer.

because of the draft picks? just because the nets get better immediately doesn't make it a good trade. they're limiting their future by giving up a **** of draft value and killing their capspace. all for a mediocre team. where's the sense in that?

Quality > Quantity in the NBA. Every time.

[DanTown8587]

They are not going to be mediocre.

Carmelo Anthony + one of Deron, Paul or possibly Dwight Howard in 2012

pretty big assumption there, no?

a bird in hand...

What Bid do they have in their hand?

[captaincrunk]

You aren't allowed to trade first round picks in consecutive years right? So, would the picks have be spread out over 8 years? one every other year?

Only one pick is their own.

[organix85]

Knicks should be able to keep max cap room open in 2012. At that point, Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Dwight Howard are UFAs. I doubt very much they'd get shut out there.

Is this if they don't have Melo and Amare? i.e...only Amare. Or are you saying they can do a big 3?

[Dan Z]

There's no reason for the Nets not to make this trade (unless Melo doesn't want to sign an extension, of course).

What does this mean for Affalo and Nene? Two players on Denver who are free agents after this season. Does Denver keep or trade them?

If so, any chance the Bulls make a run for Affalo?

[dice]

[pretty big assumption there, no?

Sure, but what other alternative do you propose? Waiting for Favors to develop? Praying those draft picks turn into halfway decent players?

i propose that the nets stop the madness and let the odds work in their favor

i can't wait to see melo's next team underwhelm

and by the way...

outlaw 7 mil
petro 3 mil
james 2 mil
morrow 4 mil
farmar 4 mil
melo 21 mil
lopez 10 mil conservatively

adding the 4 cap holds you're at about 53 million committed. the current salary cap is 58 million and i don't expect it being much higher come the summer of 2012, particularly given a new CBA coming. unless you fail to re-sign lopez, you're looking at MAYBE melo, another superstar, and role players. that's if you can convince the 2nd superstar to come

[Red Larrivee]

Lopez is restricted in 2012. The Nets have no odds in their favor aside from acquiring Melo. They are 17-40. Melo and another superstar and role players is better than what they have now. Dramatically.

[dice]

Quality > Quantity in the NBA. Every time.

i'm not talking about keeping 4 pretty decent players through the draft over melo. i'm talking about the chances just one of those 4 picks ends up being a player better than melo. which is pretty damn good looking at history. and, not unimportantly, it'd be at a far, far lower cost

[LoveDaBoo]

wow.......i mean the team will give up everything for melo.....but do they really have anything outside lopez and favors? those 4 first rounders are going to cutler the nets.....

People fail to realize that the Nets have a large collection of other team's 1st round draft picks which include teams like the Lakers and Hawks (I believe). So they won't get Cutlered. Cutler wasn't a Top 10 player and might not even be a Top 10 QB. Melo is a Top 8 player. I like the deal for the Nets since they have a large collection of other team's 1st rounders that are low in the draft order anyway. It's not like they are trading 4 first rounders that were originally Nets' picks.

First round picks are worth way, way more than in the NFL.