OT: Nets & Nuggets Reach Agreement On Trade;Now Its Up To CA

[Magilla_Gorilla]

wow.......i mean the team will give up everything for melo.....but do they really have anything outside lopez and favors? those 4 first rounders are going to cutler the nets.....

People fail to realize that the Nets have a large collection of other team's 1st round draft picks which include teams like the Lakers and Hawks (I believe). So they won't get Cutlered. Cutler wasn't a Top 10 player and might not even be a Top 10 QB. Melo is a Top 8 player. I like the deal for the Nets since they have a large collection of other team's 1st rounders that are low in the draft order anyway. It's not like they are trading 4 first rounders that were originally Nets' picks.

First round picks are worth way, way more than in the NFL.

Lottery picks are - after that, teams give away first rounders in the NBA.

[dice]

Melo and another superstar and role players is better than what they have now. Dramatically.

that's not the issue. any team can make themselves better now at the expense of the future. and again, it's making the big assumption that they can convince another superstar to come

as for lopez, i believe the nets would have to decide not to offer an extension this summer. then i'm not sure whether they'd be able to sign the superstar and then go over the cap by matching another team's offer in 2012

[dice]

First round picks are worth way, way more than in the NFL.

Lottery picks are - after that, teams give away first rounders in the NBA.

those in financial straits do

i'm just sayin'. i don't think mid-late first rounders are worth much, but they're not without value

[Red Larrivee]

No it's taking the chance at getting two superstars instead of banking on your draft picks being good players. The Nets don't want to keep rebuilding, that much is clear.

[DanTown8587]

Quality > Quantity in the NBA. Every time.

i'm not talking about keeping 4 pretty decent players through the draft over melo. i'm talking about the chances just one of those 4 picks ends up being a player better than melo. which is pretty damn good looking at history. and, not unimportantly, it'd be at a far, far lower cost

How many players have entered the league after Melo and are better than him? Like Seven? And how many were picks that the Nets are giving up?

[LoveDaBoo]

People fail to realize that the Nets have a large collection of other team's 1st round draft picks which include teams like the Lakers and Hawks (I believe). So they won't get Cutlered. Cutler wasn't a Top 10 player and might not even be a Top 10 QB. Melo is a Top 8 player. I like the deal for the Nets since they have a large collection of other team's 1st rounders that are low in the draft order anyway. It's not like they are trading 4 first rounders that were originally Nets' picks.

First round picks are worth way, way more than in the NFL.

Lottery picks are - after that, teams give away first rounders in the NBA.

There's only 2 rounds in the NBA, and the NFL is (currently) set up so that first rounders are almost invariably overpaid horribly.

[ngeloh]

You aren't allowed to trade first round picks in consecutive years right? So, would the picks have be spread out over 8 years? one every other year?

Only one pick is their own.

Oh right, completely forgot about them hording draft picks earlier this season. Seems so long ago...

[Magilla_Gorilla]

There's only 2 rounds in the NBA, and the NFL is (currently) set up so that first rounders are almost invariably overpaid horribly.

The first ten of the first round are usually overpaid, but after that the NFL draft is good cheap labor.

[Jordan45822]

Bucher reports that Anthony would sign an extension with NJ only if NY doesn't work out a trade with Denver

[dice]

Quality > Quantity in the NBA. Every time.

i'm not talking about keeping 4 pretty decent players through the draft over melo. i'm talking about the chances just one of those 4 picks ends up being a player better than melo. which is pretty damn good looking at history. and, not unimportantly, it'd be at a far, far lower cost

How many players have entered the league after Melo and are better than him? Like Seven? And how many were picks that the Nets are giving up?

for starters, i would guess the two of us are far apart on how much we think melo actually is. but for the sake of argument, i'm estimating the following values for each pick:

nets 2011 #6
lakers 2011 #25
rockets 2012 #20
GSW 2012 #13

then you have to figure what favors is currently worth. we'll say a number #5

since the early 80's i believe there have been 39 allstars combined taken in those slots draft slots. in less than 30 years. so you're probably giving up at least 1 all star for melo. that much is verifiable

now, given my analysis, which you have every right not to trust, i'm valuing all those picks + favors as a #1 overall pick. and we all know how many franchise players have been taken at #1 in the past 30 years or so. a high number of these are way, WAY better than melo

[dice]

Bucher reports that Anthony would sign an extension with NJ only if NY doesn't work out a trade with Denver

good news for anyone wanting melo to end up in jersey. he's basically saying to the denver FO "whatever you guys work out is fine by me"

[Bluewaterheaven]

Since Denver is stacking up 1st rounders, how bout we trade them JJ, Bogan, 2011 First, Bobcats Pick

[kyrv]

Dice, are you saying the Nets winning percentage will go down now?

[biggestbullsfan]

Bucher reports that Anthony would sign an extension with NJ only if NY doesn't work out a trade with Denver

Haha Den doesnt wanna deal with NY. So I guess. This is getting dumb.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Bucher reports that Anthony would sign an extension with NJ only if NY doesn't work out a trade with Denver

Haha Den doesnt wanna deal with NY. So I guess. This is getting dumb.

All this tells us is that Melo is going to sign an extension. So NY either pony's up and gives Denver what they want - or Melo is going to sign the extension with whatever club he is sent to.

At this point I wonder if Melo is ready to tell NY to go F themselves.

[DanTown8587]

now, given my analysis, which you have every right not to trust, i'm valuing all those picks + favors as a #1 overall pick. and we all know how many franchise players have been taken at #1 in the past 30 years or so. a high number of these are way, WAY better than melo

Here's the point: you want the Nets to hold onto five picks that equal the value of a #1. But guess what? They can't parlay those picks INTO the #1 pick because people who have the #1 pick don't trade it. Ever. So while the dollar value of the picks is equal to the value of the player, you can't get the player because the dollars equal.

What you're saying: three honda Accords > one Mercedes. My point is you can only "drive" one car, so while the dollar value of three Honda Accourds is greater than a Mercedes, you would rather have one Mercedes than three Hondas because when you get down to it, you want the absolute best car you can get.

[kyrv]

Lottery picks are - after that, teams give away first rounders in the NBA.

MG, I love you man, but you don't really think that's a fair evaluation of the worth of a #1 draft pick do you? Because a couple of teams have sold them (note: not given them away)?

When the best team in the league has all-star quality players taken late in the first round?

[JoeDog10]

If what Bucher is reporting is true, this quickly went from a "sure thing" for the Knicks to a "can't win" situation.

So, it's either they have to gut their entire team to land Carmelo, or watch him go across the way to New Jersey. Either way, they're going to look like crap when all is said and done.

I'm still hesitant to believe the Bucher report though. If Carmelo wants to be a Knick as bad as everyone says, I don't see how he would let this information leak out. It completely eliminates his chances of being dealt there.

[Bluewaterheaven]

Since Denver is stacking up 1st rounders, how bout we trade them JJ, Bogan, 2011 First, Bobcats Pick

For Affalo is what I forgot to add

[Magilla_Gorilla]

If what Bucher is reporting is true, this quickly went from a "sure thing" for the Knicks to a "can't win" situation.

So, it's either they have to gut their entire team to land Carmelo, or watch him go across the way to New Jersey. Either way, they're going to look like crap when all is said and done.

I'm still hesitant to believe the Bucher report though. If Carmelo wants to be a Knick as bad as everyone says, I don't see how he would let this information leak out. It completely eliminates his chances of being dealt there.

Carmelo wants to sign an extension - I think everyone knows that. This might a source interpreting Carmelo's desires into "he'll sign an extension if no other options".