OT: Nets & Nuggets Reach Agreement On Trade;Now Its Up To CA

Post #161 » by **dougthonus** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:51 pm

illiance wrote:Why wouldn't they include Gallo? It would be like refusing to trade Deng if he was still on his rookie year. They play the same position. Gallo would get like 20 minutes and most of it would be playing out of position. Silly if that prevents them from getting Melo.

I'm confused as to what the Knicks give up that is worth 4 1st rounders and Favors even if they include Gallinari.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #162 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:51 pm

I think you're both wrong. If Amare and Melo both play, say, 36mpg, that leaves 24mpg for Gallo. He'd be a great super-sub. Depth is important, and if you can find any way to not include Gallo, you do it.

Cliff Levingston · Post #163 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:54 pm

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I think you're both wrong. If Amare and Melo both play, say, 36mpg, that leaves 24mpg for Gallo. He'd be a great super-sub. Depth is important, and if you can find any way to not include Gallo, you do it.

It'll be awfully tough for the Knicks to trump the Nets' offer without including Gallinari.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #164 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:57 pm

Cliff Levingston wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I think you're both wrong. If Amare and Melo both play, say, 36mpg, that leaves 24mpg for Gallo. He'd be a great super-sub. Depth is important, and if you can find any way to not include Gallo, you do it.

It'll be awfully tough for the Knicks to trump the Nets' offer without including Gallinari.

I think the Nets' offer won't matter if Melo doesn't agree to sign the extension with them.

Melo can't make up his mind about whether he wants to go to New York at all costs or whether he wants the extension pre-new-CBA at all costs. If he could make up his mind clearly and firmly about that, I think this would've been over some time ago.

Post #165 » by **pduh01** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:58 pm

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I think you're both wrong. If Amare and Melo both play, say, 36mpg, that leaves 24mpg for Gallo. He'd be a great super-sub. Depth is important, and if you can find any way to not include Gallo, you do it.

I totally agree see this is one the Knicks should think about is that if you don't have to trade your good assets like Fileds/Gallo and only get away somehow trading someone like Curry's contract, Chandler, and maybe Randolph then you do it but other then that they can wait. If Melo do indeed want to sign the Knicks which we have been hearing he can wait until the summer if not then the Knicks can go to plan C.

cars4978 · Post #166 » by **cars4978** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:58 pm

That's a pretty big gutting for the Knicks overall. Again Billups is a year or 2 left, and they eliminate all of their depth basically at this point. They're left with a starting group of Billups/Fields/Melo/Amar'e/Mozgof and a bench of Douglas, Chandler (maybe?) and Turiaf? Shawne Williams I guess is there too...

Gallinari is a player...but I think if I were the Nuggets I'd rather have Chandler. Same basic points, 1 more rebound for Chandler as well as better shooting percentages. And only 1 year.

If the Nuggets move Melo, that has to make JR Smith available right?

Jordan45822 · Post #167 » by **Jordan45822** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:58 pm

dougthonus wrote:
illiance wrote:Why wouldn't they include Gallo? It would be like refusing to trade Deng if he was still on his rookie year. They play the same position. Gallo would get like 20 minutes and most of it would be playing out of position. Silly if that prevents them from getting Melo.

I'm confused as to what the Knicks give up that is worth 4 1st rounders and Favors even if they include Gallinari.

I think what's happening is Denver trying to please Melotrying to do a deal with NY. If that does not work than Melo has told them that he will agree to meet with Jay-Z and Prokhorov and will sign an extension with them.

dice · Post #168 » by **dice** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:59 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:Here's the point: you want the Nets to hold onto five picks that equal the value of a #1. But guess what? They can't parlay those picks INTO the #1 pick because people who have the #1 pick don't trade it. Ever

and i'm saying that you don't have to. the odds of getting a franchise-type player are the same whether you keep the picks or trade them all for a #1 overall

What you're saying: three honda Accords > one Mercedes. My point is you can only "drive" one car, so while the dollar value of three Honda Accourds is greater than a Mercedes, you would rather have one Mercedes than three Hondas because when you get down to it, you want the absolute best car you can get.

bad analogy. you can't only play the best draft pick of the bunch (one of which quite possibly will be better than carmelo "mercedes" anthony anyway)

but using your mercedes analogy, let's say you're dan leno (nephew of jay) and have $300K with which to purchase a roster of 12 automobiles. you may drive only 5 of those cars in any given 6 month period (must be alternated - 5 guys on the court at once). you really want a particular new mercedes sedan (fully stocked!) that retails for $60K to be the jewel of your collection. problem is, the company is no longer making them. and for that matter, the economy's bad so all car companies have recently decided to only sell significantly less expensive cars. each mercedes still in stock of the type that you want is spoken for, but some guy tells you you can have the title to his for $100K. do you do it? there's no way you'll find a better car to drive, but you still have 11 more to buy

now, maybe the nets reeeeeealy want their mercedes. they're banking on jealous neighbors (season ticketholders) being dazzled by the crown jewel and not noticing the quality of the other vehicles, most of which will have to be driven quite a bit. hopefully it's the mercedes they're driving that day they see the hot chick one car over out on the road. but it probably won't be

Post #169 » by **Ben** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:00 pm

dougthonus wrote:
illiance wrote:Why wouldn't they include Gallo? It would be like refusing to trade Deng if he was still on his rookie year. They play the same position. Gallo would get like 20 minutes and most of it would be playing out of position. Silly if that prevents them from getting Melo.

I'm confused as to what the Knicks give up that is worth 4 1st rounders and Favors even if they include Gallinari.

This is exactly what I thought when I saw that report. Troy Murphy is already more valuable than Eddy Curry b/c he can actually play. Derrick Favors is worth more than any of the Knicks' young prospects except maybe Gallo. Then you're talking 4 first round draft picks? 4?

organix85 · Post #170 » by **organix85** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:03 pm

Risky game we play here...they mess this up and they may be 13-44 next year instead of 17-40.

cool007 · Post #171 » by **cool007** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:04 pm

All I will say is Nuggets will rape 1 of them for sure.

Let's see which team is it.

Jordan45822 · Post #172 » by **Jordan45822** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:04 pm

http://twitter.com/#!/FisolaNYDN/status ... 4846404608

Donnie Walsh and Denver GM Masai Ujiri also on conference call. If deal can't be worked out, Carmelo will meet with Nets officials
6 minutes ago vi

Jordan45822 · Post #173 » by **Jordan45822** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:06 pm

Ben B. wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
illiance wrote:Why wouldn't they include Gallo? It would be like refusing to trade Deng if he was still on his rookie year. They play the same position. Gallo would get like 20 minutes and most of it would be playing out of position. Silly if that prevents them from getting Melo.

I'm confused as to what the Knicks give up that is worth 4 1st rounders and Favors even if they include Gallinari.

This is exactly what I thought when I saw that report. Troy Murphy is already more valuable than Eddy Curry b/c he can actually play. Derrick Favors is worth more than any of the Knicks' young prospects except maybe Gallo. Then you're talking 4 first round draft picks? 4?

Sounds to me like Anthony told Denver is "try anything you can to make a deal with New York, if you can't than I will agree to meet with Jay-Z and Prokhorov than I will sign an extension with them"

Jeffster81 · Post #174 » by **Jeffster81** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:07 pm

The way I see it is this, CA has three choices:

1: sign the extension with Denver.
2: take the NJ/Brooklyn deal sign extension.
3: accept FA sign with NY and leave money on the table.

At this point if Melo wants to be traded it will either be NJ or LA. I simply do not see Denver willing to trade Melo to NY because I just don't see them liking NY's offer. If Melo wants NY he will have to take less money.

dice · Post #175 » by **dice** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:08 pm

Jordan45822 wrote:Sounds to me like Anthony told Denver is "try anything you can to make a deal with New York, if you can't than I will agree to meet with Jay-Z and Prokhorov than I will sign an extension with them"

which means the nuggets FO can make whatever the hell deal they want. the game of chicken has been played and melo is relinquishing his leverage

kyrv · Post #176 » by **kyrv** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:09 pm

cool007 wrote:All I will say is Nuggets will rape 1 of them for sure.

Let's see which team is it.

They will?

You think Denver will improve and the other team will get worse?

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #177 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:19 pm

If I was NY, I'd try to get Wilson Chandler to agree to an extension right now, and then try to get Denver to include Nene in the deal:

Curry+Felton+Chandler(extended)+Mosgov+pick for Melo/Billups/Nene/Carter

Nene/Turiaf
Amare/Gallo/S.Williams
Melo/Gallo
Fields/Walker
Billups/Douglas/Carter

Total pipe dream for NY though, 'cause Chandler won't give up money and Denver won't trade Nene for another big contract.

Dan Z · Post #178 » by **Dan Z** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:59 pm

OldSchoolNoBull-

If' I'm Denver and NY wants Nene I quickly no. What's being floated out there is already a weak enough deal for Melo and Billups.

WAYSA · Post #179 » by **WAYSA** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:12 pm

kyrv wrote:
cool007 wrote:All I will say is Nuggets will rape 1 of them for sure.

Let's see which team is it.

They will?

You think Denver will improve and the other team will get worse?

I don't see the Nets being worse, but I think Denver puts together a very good core w/ lots of options.

Harris / Lawson
Affalo
?
Favors
Nene

4 first rounders & the Murphy expiring contract to find a 3. Re-up Nene. It's a pretty decent core, opposed to what they are looking at when Melo walks in the summer.

johnnyvann840 · Post #180 » by **johnnyvann840** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:18 pm

Jordan45822 wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
illiance wrote:Why wouldn't they include Gallo? It would be like refusing to trade Deng if he was still on his rookie year. They play the same position. Gallo would get like 20 minutes and most of it would be playing out of position. Silly if that prevents them from getting Melo.

I'm confused as to what the Knicks give up that is worth 4 1st rounders and Favors even if they include Gallinari.

I think what's happening is Denver trying to please Melotrying to do a deal with NY. If that does not work than Melo has told them that he will agree to meet with Jay-Z and Prokhorov and will sign an extension with them.

Believe me, the Nuggets have ZERO interest in "pleasing Melo". Just the opposite. The Nuggets do NOT want to trade with the Knicks unless they absolutely have to. The Nuggets will do what's best for the Nuggets. PERIOD.