Denver-NJ in "advanced" talks

[macksunny]

Sure sounds like he is to me. The Nuggets really don't care about Chandler at all because he is going to be a free agent. Felton is only in the trade if Billups is going to be involved. Fields isn't enough by himself. To me its just a matter of whether the Knicks are willing to put Gallinari into the deal. And when it comes down to it I don't think that Carmelo would take 20 million less just so the Knicks can keep a backup SF.

Not gonna argue with you, but since this whole thing began i have not seen a single article from anyone, not even Knicks homer beat writers that Galo is untouchable. So i think you are wrong. The deal breaker is the package as a whole and any 1 player in it.

[7seventynine9]

All this for a guy that is a fringe top 10 player in this league. The Nets should have their heads re-examined if they think this a good deal

Cause top 10 players are easy to come by?

Seriously.

Very hard to acquire superstar talent in this league, when you have the chance you have to jump on it.

I guess that's true, but listening to sports radio and the rest of the media lately making it seem like he's near the level of LeBron James. This whole thing is just annoying. I do think ir's unwise for New Jersey to throw everything they have at him, looking at the history of the NBA, when trading a star how often does a team give up this much. Poor choice IMO.

Historically speaking, the team who gets the best player in the deal wins the deal.

[JustOneFix]

I would give up Chandler, Galinari and Fields and a pick easily for Melo....

No offense, but thank god you're not a GM, cause that's just terrible deal for already thin team.

You get Melo and you have Amare...that gets you into the playoffs in the East. You're not winning a title this year but that's a very solid base.

Base for what? Mediocracy? You have two guys on max contracts, basically no decent role players and no bench. Plus with the new CBA coming out and rising teams like the Bulls and the Heat who're going to be a dominant forces for the next 5+ years, that's base it's worthless. Playoffs? Sure, but the Knicks would be stupid to have such modest, modest goal. They're already a playoff team anyway.

[killbuckner]

Not gonna argue with you, but since this whole thing began i have not seen a single article from anyone, not even Knicks homer beat writers that Galo is untouchable.

Ummm.... on the wiretap right now there is an article stating "The Knicks' refusal so far to include Danilo Gallinari is reportedly the sticking point to completion of a trade that would send Carmelo Anthony to New York."

[curryfrieddonut]

he's got to understand the Knicks reluctance to trade all of their young stars away.

LOL. Carmelo doesn't see Gallinari as a young star. He sees Gallinari as a good backup SF. Lebron took less money so he could play with Bosh and Wade. Carmelo isn't going to take less money just so the Knicks can keep a backup SF. Carmelo will think its a slap in the face that the Knicks wouldn't pull the trigger now if all they have to do is put in a backup SF who isn't half the player that Carmelo is.

And honestly Carmelo will be absolutely correct. Why should he be on board with taking 20 million dollars less in this situation? Carmelo isn't going to look at Gallinari as the missing piece.

Even if he doesn't see him as a great young star, he has to see that in order for the Knicks to compete, they're going to need another piece. The only way I see the Knicks can do that is to hold onto Gallo. You tell Melo that Gallo could eventually lead to a package for a CP3 who is on the way out or D-Will, I definitely think it could change his mind on that.

[killbuckner]

You tell Melo that Gallo could eventually lead to a package for a CP3 who is on the way out or D-Will, I definitely think it could change his mind on that.

Carmelo is smart enough to know thats total BS. Maybe some delusional Knicks fans have talked themselves into that wet dream but to anyone else its clear how ridiculous that statement is.

[JustOneFix]

Basically, all the sides in this trade are (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

Billy King and the Nets are complete idiots if they're willing to give all of their young talent and bunch of picks, just to become a one man team.

Knicks are dumb if they don't want to part ways with Gallo (if the reports are true),

And Nuggets are fools if they asking for so much pieces cause Melo's gonna bolt anyway this summer, so they end up with nothing.

[RocketPower23]

Cause top 10 players are easy to come by?

Seriously.

Very hard to acquire superstar talent in this league, when you have the chance you have to jump on it.

I guess that's true, but listening to sports radio and the rest of the media lately making it seem like he's near the level of LeBron James. This whole thing is just annoying. I do think ir's unwise for New Jersey to throw everything they have at him, looking at the history of the NBA, when trading a star how often does a team give up this much. Poor choice IMO.

Historically speaking, the team who gets the best player in the deal wins the deal.

That's without throwing away all their talent. Take the Shaq to Miami deal for example. If the Lakers get Wade instead of Butler in that deal, clearly that changes everything.

[macksunny]

Didn't they get Butler AND Odom for Shaq.

[RocketPower23]

Didn't they get Butler AND Odom for Shaq.

It's not about giving up talent, it's about giving up too much talent.

[macksunny]

So who gave up too much talent? Or not enough talent? I dont get the reference at all. The trade worked out pretty good for both teams, both won championships after it. There isn't a player as good as Odom in either package. At least not yet.

[RocketPower23]

So who gave up too much talent? Or not enough talent? I dont get the reference at all. The trade worked out pretty good for both teams, both won championships after it. There isn't a player as good as Odom in either package. At least not yet.

The point is that the poster said that the teams that get the star in return benefit more so. Point I'm making is in most cases the team trading for the star try not to give away too much. The Lakers wanted Wade in that deal, but the Heat wouldn't have it. Substitue Wade for Caron, to the Heat still have the same success, probably not.

[The Skyhook]

All Melo needs to do is to realize that he just has to say "thanks but no thanks" to the Nets and the Nuggets WILL trade him. They aren't going to keep him so he isn't going to risk losing on on that money.

Yeah but the Nets won't agree on the trade if Melo doesn't want to sign.

I meant "the Nuggets WILL trade him to the Knicks". The Nets not agreeing is exactly what will happen if Melo just says "no I won't extend" at which point the Nuggets have really only one other team to deal with...the Knicks.

The Nuggets aren't going to keep him cause it's been pretty darn obvious he doesn't want to be there. It would make no sense for them (or Melo) to drag this out into the summer when the new CBA will very likely force Melo to accept less and make Melo more beligerent against the Nuggets (and increasing the likelihood that he will just leave them with pocket lint).

But it all depends on whether he realizes that and whether he has enough balls to say "no".

My fault. I'm not sure why I didn't think you meant the Knicks in the first place.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

So is Melo just giving us all blue balls? This is killing me, I wish it didn't affect my team but it does because of the Billups buyout rumors

[magnumt]

So is Melo just giving us all blue balls? This is killing me, I wish it didn't affect my team but it does because of the Billups buyout rumors

Neither NY nor NJ would buyout Billups since both would need a PG.

--Mags

[magnumt]

So is Melo just giving us all blue balls? This is killing me, I wish it didn't affect my team but it does because of the Billups buyout rumors

Neither NY nor NJ would buyout Billups since both would need a PG.

--Mags

[denvers_finest]

Ohh, please. Galinari is not the deal breaker here. The Nuggets want FOUR Knicks starters and 1 pick. Its easy to understand why the Knicks dont want the gut their whole team to get 1 guy. I'm sure Dolan wont have much of an issue telling Melo that, face to face or otherwise.

To be fair, the Nuggets want FOUR Knicks starters for Melo AND Billups. You make it sound like all the Knicks are getting is Melo, and thats just not true. The Nuggets are giving up the two best players in the deal. Thats not even considering the fact that the Knicks can't sign Melo w/o renoucning Chandler (so he is gone one way or the other if Melo is going to sign).

Two good players do not equal a great player. If you have a chance to get a great player you do it. Players like Fields and Gallo are easily replacable. Players like Melo are not.

[denvers_finest]

So is Melo just giving us all blue balls? This is killing me, I wish it didn't affect my team but it does because of the Billups buyout rumors

Neither NY nor NJ would buyout Billups since both would need a PG.

--Mags

Even if they did, Billups would more than likely come back home. Miami signing him is a pipe dream.

[Harry_Seaward]

I would give up Chandler, Galinari and Fields and a pick easily for Melo....

No offense, but thank god you're not a GM, cause that's just terrible deal for already thin team.

You get Melo and you have Amare...that gets you into the playoffs in the East. You're not winning a title this year but that's a very solid base.

Base for what? Mediocracy? You have two guys on max contracts, basically no decent role players and no bench. Plus with the new CBA coming out and rising teams like the Bulls and the Heat who're going to be a dominant forces for the next 5+ years, that's base it's worthless. Playoffs? Sure, but the Knicks would be stupid to have such modest, modest goal. They're already a playoff team anyway.

You're not going ANYWHERE with Amare and overrated role players. Keeping those guys and waiting for Chris Paul or Dwight Howard or etc. is a waiting game New York knows all to well. LeBron, anyone? It will continue to be what it's been for years for NY...waiting for next year. You gotta take a risk. You gotta mortgage those "assets" because you have the chance to get better....

A lot of GMs and fans for that matter overrate their team's assets. They covet them, when in reality you can find another player to fill that void. Role players, even the really special ones, are nowhere near as important as stars, all-stars, and superstars in this league.

Look at Cleveland the last few years. They had a superstar and a bunch of good role players, and they had "depth", and players they coveted like Hickson, and that got them nowhere.

Then James goes to a team where it's him, two other stars, and shooters like James Jones, Eddie House, below mediocre guards and veterans signed to league minimum contracts...and they're tied for first in the East. This is a stars league, and having more than one outweighs the depth. It just does.

Carmelo Anthony will be more productive then Chandler and Fields put together, as stated above, they are both frightening overrated. One's a decent rookie working nicely in the Knicks system and the other is several tiers below Carmelo Anthony as a player. Galinarri is a nice player, but if he's considered untouchable in NY I really have to question what that front office considers untouchable talent.

[#1 pick]

You tell Melo that Gallo could eventually lead to a package for a CP3 who is on the way out or D-Will, I definitely think it could change his mind on that.

Carmelo is smart enough to know thats total BS. Maybe some delusional Knicks fans have talked themselves into that wet dream but to anyone else its clear how ridiculous that statement is.

POTY. I think NY should go for Melo. He would be exciting.