Prospect Watch Thread

Grits n Gravy · Post #361 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:19 am

if we don't get randolph and perry jones and irving are off the board i 100% want jonas v...he's ridiculously productive, outstanding motor, long, pretty althletic...he has a LOT of room to grow. he would be a great pick because if there indeed is a lockout, he could head back overseas for another year and work on his game and body more. he is only 18 and yes is skinny, but most guys are very skinny at that age e.g darko at 18 compared to now. his flaws - strength and foul rate, are clearly connected and will be pretty easy to fix with nba trainers and time imo, but it is very rare for skilled big, long, althletic guys to have a motor and heart like this guy. he will be the kind of guy who keeps working and improving. he is just what this team needs, his defensive potential is enormous as well as his offensive game.

Piecake · Post #362 » by **Piecake** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:00 am

kiwi_adam wrote:if we don't get randolph and perry jones and irving are off the board i 100% want jonas v...he's ridiculously productive, outstanding motor, long, pretty althletic...he has a LOT of room to grow. he would be a great pick because if there indeed is a lockout, he could head back overseas for another year and work on his game and body more. he is only 18 and yes is skinny, but most guys are very skinny at that age e.g darko at 18 compared to now. his flaws - strength and foul rate, are clearly connected and will be pretty easy to fix with nba trainers and time imo, but it is very rare for skilled big, long, althletic guys to have a motor and heart like this guy. he will be the kind of guy who keeps working and improving. he is just what this team needs, his defensive potential is enormous as well as his offensive game.

Yup, he could be our 3rd big for a couple years while he improves, and eventually take over Darko's starting center role. I really have no desire to sign Darko to another contract after this one. Imagine all of the nagging injuries that a 30 year-old Darko would have? No thank you.

My list goes

Irving
Perry Jones
Jonas V.

cpfsf · Post #363 » by **cpfsf** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:12 am

Just a pick update

Minnesota #2 (ignoring the lottery)

Utah is tied with Memphis for the 8th best record in the West. I'll list the protections on the bottom, but it appears that at least one of these teams will make the playoffs as there are no other legitimate contenders in the West. It's entirely possible that both make the playoffs as Denver will likely trade Carmelo and Portland is still plagued with injuries. I should note though that Rudy Gay is out for the next 4 weeks do to a shoulder injury.

Utah pick: Top 16 (2011), Top 14 (2012), top 12 (2013), Lots of if than scenarios (2014)
Memphis: top 14 (2011), top 12 (2012), top 10 (2013), top 9 (2014), top 9 (2015), cash if we don't get a pick

Post #364 » by **Klomp** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:17 pm

If we were sitting in the clock with the main choice of prospects being Perry Jones III or Jonas Valanciunas, who do you pick and why?

AQuintus · Post #365 » by **AQuintus** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:32 pm

Klomp wrote:If we were sitting in the clock with the main choice of prospects being Perry Jones III or Jonas Valanciunas, who do you pick and why?

Perry Jones because he's going to be a freak athlete even by NBA standards and he doesn't have the issues with Euro contracts and whether or not his skills transfer. With that said Jones' defense really scares me. DX did a good writeup on him including a video of his strengths and weakness and during the defensive section, it seemed like 50% of the time he was being pushed out of position and 50% of the time he was completely lost in space like Flynn.

Edit:

I'll also say that if we get Anthony Randolph, I'd take Jonas.

AQuintus · Post #366 » by **AQuintus** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:47 pm

Another guy to watch, and that was mentioned earlier in the year, is Patric Young from Florida. DX currently has him as the 6th pick in the 2012 draft.

David Thorpe had this to say about him:

"Young routinely outmuscles players for rebounds and beats guys to important spots with his quickness. And speed? Forget about it. He flies effortlessly down the floor, either looking for a dunk or chasing guys down for a blocked shot."

"Young looks to be someone who will be able to defend stretch 4s thanks to that agility and length, but I'm not sure many stretch 4s will be able to handle him inside in a few years. He'll be able to overpower guys in the paint."

"Young might have the best body at this age since LeBron James or Dwight Howard"

"I'm more impressed with how Young defends than any freshman I've seen on tape in years."

He's only 6'9", but otherwise sounds like exactly the kind of C we would like next to Love; high motor, freak athlete, great body, and big time defender.

It doesn't sound like he'll enter this year's draft, but providing that it isn't illegal and if he tests the draft waters, I would be prepared to guarantee him a first round selection with either the Memphis or Utah pick. That would also leave us open to get someone like Burkes or Barnes with our pick.

Grits n Gravy · Post #367 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:05 am

yeah jones scares me too, i don't know if he has the will to work and be the best player he can be, i have 0 concerns in that regard due to jonas, i would be probably be leaning 60/40 to taking jonas.

Post #368 » by **Klomp** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:19 am

Another "not flashy" name or game, but Gilbert Brown could be a steal for someone in the 2nd. Could be this year's Sam Young or Landry Fields.

Defensively, Brown is outstanding, showing great physical tools with his size, length and lateral quickness, and having the toughness and intensity to put them to use. He guards pretty much any position at the college level, often seeing time at the power forward position on an undersized Pitt team, but rarely allowing opponents to take advantage of him inside the paint.

On the perimeter he's extremely effectively with the way he moves his feet and puts pressure on the ball, getting down in a low, fundamental stance and doing a great job smothering his opponent with his length. Pitt likes to switch on the pick and roll and Brown is a huge part of that strategy, as he has the ability to keep up with pretty much anyone thrown his way at the Big East level.

Despite his modest production last season—10.7 points in 24 minutes per game--and somewhat advanced age--turning 23 in September--Brown might be somewhat of a sleeper prospect to make an NBA team, and could even stick around for a while if he continues to improve and endears himself accordingly. He's extremely solid in every facet of the game and is incredibly strong in probably the most important one from his perspective—defense, which will give him a fighting chance anywhere he ends up. If he can prove that his perimeter shooting accuracy from last season was not a fluke, he's got a pretty good case to merit being drafted even.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gilbert-Brown-5150

shangrila · Post #369 » by **shangrila** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:33 am

He's not much of a shooter though, which were both things Young and Fields did fairly well.

Post #370 » by **Klomp** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:38 am

shangrila wrote:He's not much of a shooter though, which were both things Young and Fields did fairly well.

Just as a comparison...
Fields shot 33.7% from 3, 49.0% overall
Young shot 37.2% from 3, 50.2% overall
Brown is shooting 38.1% from 3, 43.6% overall

shangrila · Post #371 » by **shangrila** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:50 am

True, I just remember reading this nugget

His mechanics are also somewhat unconventional, flicking the ball at the basket from way above his head, which may cause some problems when it comes time to transition to the much further distance of the NBA 3-point line. While very solid with his feet set last season, Brown struggles shooting the ball off the dribble, and converted just 71% of his free throws last season, two things he would be well served working on.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gil ... z1ErPq1jJH
http://www.draftexpress.com

and thinking he sucked at it.

Post #372 » by **Klomp** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:54 am

shangrila wrote:True, I just remember reading this nugget

His mechanics are also somewhat unconventional, flicking the ball at the basket from way above his head, which may cause some problems when it comes time to transition to the much further distance of the NBA 3-point line. While very solid with his feet set last season, Brown struggles shooting the ball off the dribble, and converted just 71% of his free throws last season, two things he would be well served working on.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gil ... z1ErPq1jJH
http://www.draftexpress.com

and thinking he sucked at it.

Personally, I think thats where our player development comes into play, much like it did for Corey last season working on his technique.

Grits n Gravy · Post #373 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:24 pm

watching the end of partizan-real madrid...vesely is ****ing sick, gonna be a REAL good player

phonzadellika · Post #374 » by **phonzadellika** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:29 pm

^ Is that game linked anywhere...I've been wanting to watch a game of his for awhile...

Grits n Gravy · Post #375 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:39 pm

phonzadellika wrote:^ Is that game linked anywhere...I've been wanting to watch a game of his for awhile...

sorry man it was in the last 3 minutes when i posted that and didn't see you're response, partizan lost...vesely missed a game tying 3 with about 15 left, lost by 5...regardless, he is an unbelievably smart player, defend the perimter extremely well for a guy who is pretty much 7 foot, you can tell he's added a lot of size and strength from last year, his post game is much improved

i'm SO DAM PISSED that this draft sucks and where it is bright in in the position we don't need, PF. so dam annoying that there is no star shooting guards in the lottery, we need one so dam desperately and we will need to get very lucky in order to get something we actually need, irving. i wish barnes was a natural 2 and carrying over his momentum from high school.

shangrila · Post #376 » by **shangrila** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:13 am

I'll be fine with Valanciunis from this draft. Failing that, Burks will do. Failing that...we failed.

Krapinsky · Post #377 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:20 am

shangrila wrote:I'll be fine with Valanciunis from this draft. Failing that, Burks will do. Failing that...we failed.

Out of curiosity, have you ever seen him play?

shangrila · Post #378 » by **shangrila** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:20 am

Krapinsky wrote:
shangrila wrote:I'll be fine with Valanciunis from this draft. Failing that, Burks will do. Failing that...we failed.

Out of curiosity, have you ever seen him play?

Twice. First game he didn't play much, although I couldn't tell why because the commentary was in Spanish or something, and the second game he was alright.

He's not going to turn the franchise around on his own but like a Kendrick Perkins he's just solid. He runs the floor well, seems to have a decent post game, is fairly athletic and has a good energy level. He looks like the kind of guy you would want next to Love, on both ends of the court.

Post #379 » by **Klomp** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:39 am

Jazzfan12 · Post #380 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:48 am

Klomp wrote:

One weird thing that a Timberwolves fan mentioned to me on another forum, if Perry Jones is off the board, the Timberwolves always select Terrence Jones.