Midseason report: Your grade on our young prospects

[fatlever]

i didnt include liv in my rankings earlier oops

i give him 2.0 - 3.0 stars - lot depends on how knee holds up and if he can expand his range over the summer.

[captaincrunk]

i didnt include liv in my rankings earlier oops

i give him 2.0 - 3.0 stars - lot depends on how knee holds up and if he can expand his range over the summer.

I don't think he'll expand his range. But if he remembers how to be a playmaker that would be nice.

[fatlever]

liv getting some 3pt range would be the best thing that could happen to his game. wouldn't allow teams to sag off and pack the paint. gives the entire team more spacing when he is on floor which allows for more creativity off the dribble as well.

[captaincrunk]

liv getting some 3pt range would be the best thing that could happen to his game. wouldn't allow teams to sag off and pack the paint. gives the entire team more spacing when he is on floor which allows for more creativity off the dribble as well.

I don't think he's even interested in it. He never was good at it, but he used to be a good playmaker. That would be really nice on the bench with a bunch of guys who can't create on their own.

[Tupik]

i think his playmaking is something that can get back. He has to stay with the team for some time and eventually I think he could become some kind of a playmaker. I'm not saying he will, but I definitely think it's something he could do.

[captaincrunk]

i think his playmaking is something that can get back. He has to stay with the team for some time and eventually I think he could become some kind of a playmaker. I'm not saying he will, but I definitely think it's something he could do.

I do too. He spent a lot of time without being able to really play.

[el-mago]

i'm quite amazed there are still people here putting DJ (or even worse Tyrus) ahead of Henderson in terms of potential and talent. The only one of our young prospects to ever have a chance to reach the star status (so the 5 star grade according to fats scale) is Hendo. DJ has probably hit his ceiling this year and will more likely remain a borderline starter/6th man scoring guard off the bench.
He's no better than a Ramon Sessions for the time being. As for Tyrus, if he can't figure out how to get things right, he'll be forever stuck in the Stro Swift/Warrick mold (basically nothing more than a bench player who provides energy).

[Fred Williamson]

i'm quite amazed there are still people here putting DJ (or even worse Tyrus) ahead of Henderson in terms of potential and talent. The only one of our young prospects to ever have a chance to reach the star status (so the 5 star grade according to fats scale) is Hendo. DJ has probably hit his ceiling this year and will more likely remain a borderline starter/6th man scoring guard off the bench.
He's no better than a Ramon Sessions for the time being. As for Tyrus, if he can't figure out how to get things right, he'll be forever stuck in the Stro Swift/Warrick mold (basically nothing more than a bench player who provides energy).

I agree with this. Hendo has the skills and BBall-IQ to become a really good player. He's already the best defender on this team and knows very well how to move without the ball. DJ is a good shooter and solid playmaker, but he's too undersized and has no agility to ever become a good defender. Tyrus is just a shotblocker with a solid midrange jumpshot. I don't see how he can become a starting PF.

[captaincrunk]

i'm quite amazed there are still people here putting DJ (or even worse Tyrus) ahead of Henderson in terms of potential and talent. The only one of our young prospects to ever have a chance to reach the star status (so the 5 star grade according to fats scale) is Hendo. DJ has probably hit his ceiling this year and will more likely remain a borderline starter/6th man scoring guard off the bench.
He's no better than a Ramon Sessions for the time being. As for Tyrus, if he can't figure out how to get things right, he'll be forever stuck in the Stro Swift/Warrick mold (basically nothing more than a bench player who provides energy).

I agree with this. Hendo has the skills and BBall-IQ to become a really good player. He's already the best defender on this team and knows very well how to move without the ball. DJ is a good shooter and solid playmaker, but he's too undersized and has no agility to ever become a good defender. Tyrus is just a shotblocker with a solid midrange jumpshot. I don't see how he can become a starting PF.

Hendo is not the best defender on the team. You just said Diaw was in another post. Wallace is probably the best defender on the team with Jax right behind him. Of course that's realistic...

EDIT: What the balls dude? DJ has no agility? Tyrus is JUST a shotblocker? You're trolling, broken, or both. If you keep posting idiotic tripe like this I'll get suspended...

[Fred Williamson]

i'm quite amazed there are still people here putting DJ (or even worse Tyrus) ahead of Henderson in terms of potential and talent. The only one of our young prospects to ever have a chance to reach the star status (so the 5 star grade according to fats scale) is Hendo. DJ has probably hit his ceiling this year and will more likely remain a borderline starter/6th man scoring guard off the bench.
He's no better than a Ramon Sessions for the time being. As for Tyrus, if he can't figure out how to get things right, he'll be forever stuck in the Stro Swift/Warrick mold (basically nothing more than a bench player who provides energy).

I agree with this. Hendo has the skills and BBall-IQ to become a really good player. He's already the best defender on this team and knows very well how to move without the ball. DJ is a good shooter and solid playmaker, but he's too undersized and has no agility to ever become a good defender. Tyrus is just a shotblocker with a solid midrange jumpshot. I don't see how he can become a starting PF.

Hendo is not the best defender on the team. You just said Diaw was in another post. Wallace is probably the best defender on the team with Jax right behind him. Of course that's realistic...

I said Diaw is the best man-to-man defender on this team. He's undersized but with his mass he can stand his ground against any big in the league. And he knows how box out and he doesn't sack off from his man for a weakside block. Hendo has the whole defensive arsenal, he could lock down many guards in this league and his long arms and athetlic ability also allows him to block their shots if they try to shoot over him. The reason I value Hendo as a better defender than Diaw is because there aren't many big men in today's league who can drop 20+ points on you. As for guards, almost any team has one who can score 20.

[Fred Williamson]

EDIT: What the balls dude? DJ has no agility? Tyrus is JUST a shotblocker? You're trolling, broken, or both. If you keep posting idiotic tripe like this I'll get suspended...

How often have you seen bums like JJ Barea or old washed up PGs like Kidd blowing past DJ? I see it almost every game. And what about Tyrus? I have never seen him playing solid man-to-man D or posting up people consistently. Just a few weakside blocks per game and a few buckets from midrange. Some people really need a reality check. We don't have Damon Stoudamire and prime Mcdyess on our team. You won't get a superstar in return for one of these guys. They are young, limited roleplayers, and that's only thing you will get in return if you put them on the trading block. Check the recent rumour on the Suns board, they are hesitant to trade Hakim Warrick for Tyrus. What does that tell you?

[captaincrunk]

EDIT: What the balls dude? DJ has no agility? Tyrus is JUST a shotblocker? You're trolling, broken, or both. If you keep posting idiotic tripe like this I'll get suspended...

How often have you seen bums like JJ Barea or old washed up PGs like Kidd blowing past DJ? I see it almost every game. And what about Tyrus? I have never seen him playing solid man-to-man D or posting up people consistently. Just a few weakside blocks per game and a few buckets from midrange. Some people really need a reality check. We don't have Damon Stoudamire and prime Mcdyess on our team. You won't get a superstar in return for one of these guys. They are young, limited roleplayers, and that's only thing you will get in return if you put them on the trading block. Check the recent rumour on the Suns board, they are hesitant to trade Hakim Warrick for Tyrus. What does that tell you?

Tells me they don't like his contract. Just move on, this isn't going anywhere but a ban if you keep spouting nonsense.

[Fred Williamson]

Tells me they don't like his contract. Just move on, this isn't going anywhere but a ban if you keep spouting nonsense.

no. "they feel that Warrick can do the same things that thomas can do, but in a much lower salary."

[captaincrunk]

Tells me they don't like his contract. Just move on, this isn't going anywhere but a ban if you keep spouting nonsense.

no. "they feel that Warrick can do the same things that thomas can do, but in a much lower salary."

And Thomas can do the same things that Stoudamire can do at a much lower salary. Good for them.

[Tupik]

Tells me they don't like his contract. Just move on, this isn't going anywhere but a ban if you keep spouting nonsense.

no. "they feel that Warrick can do the same things that thomas can do, but in a much lower salary."

And Thomas can do the same things that Stoudamire can do at a much lower salary. Good for them.

[captaincrunk]

no. "they feel that Warrick can do the same things that thomas can do, but in a much lower salary."

And Thomas can do the same things that Stoudamire can do at a much lower salary. Good for them.

The suns board was trying to say that Warrick would do what stoudamire was doing and that Nash was the guy doing all the work so it woulnd't matter. That means they'd say "Warrick can do the same things Stoudamire does at a lesser salary".

[penquin11]

B: Gerald Henderson- at the begining of the year (during the LB coaching) Henderson was being talked about as a rash player who may have been a bust, I feel that he has developed into a 12-15ppg guy since then and his defensive impact is just great. Unfortunetly Henderson has also shown that he has nearly maxed out his offensive potential, meaning that he will probably only be able to contribute 16ppg at the most at the climax of his career.

B+: DJ Augustin - Augustin can go wild on opponents scoring wise, right now he is a 18ppg player who can also reliably give you 6apg, and while I dont see his apg going up anytime soon I do see his ppg numbers going up, maxing out at 23ppg. His defense however is something to laugh at.....

C+: Livingston - recent play has shown some hope for the surprisingly young Livingston....

D+: Derrick Brown...

D: Sherron Collins...

[captaincrunk]

B: Gerald Henderson- at the begining of the year (during the LB coaching) Henderson was being talked about as a rash player who may have been a bust, I feel that he has developed into a 12-15ppg guy since then and his defensive impact is just great. Unfortunetly Henderson has also shown that he has nearly maxed out his offensive potential, meaning that he will probably only be able to contribute 16ppg at the most at the climax of his career.

How has he shown this? What makes you believe that he couldn't score more efficiently or more often in the future, that you hadn't seen previously?

B+: DJ Augustin - Augustin can go wild on opponents scoring wise, right now he is a 18ppg player who can also reliably give you 6apg, and while I dont see his apg going up anytime soon I do see his ppg numbers going up, maxing out at 23ppg. His defense however is something to laugh at.....

I'd imagine him as a 20 and 8 guy in his prime. His playmaking ability is improving, and he's taking good care of the ball. Maybe the turnovers pick up to a normal level while he gets a couple more assists a game taking more risks?

C+: Livingston - recent play has shown some hope for the surprisingly young Livingston....

D+: Derrick Brown...

D: Sherron Collins...

DBrown is what he is, a 2nd round pick energy guy. Can't really fault him for that. Collins hasn't had the burn to do much but I've liked some of his defense.