Carmelo Anthony Thread (Denver Finalizes Deal With Knicks)

[enetric]

sam was right on there. miami had an up-and-coming young team. they were taking a gamble on a short-term bump to get them into immediate contention

1) there was only one top-flight team in the east - the pistons. right now there are FOUR major hurdles in the east

2) their second year w/ shaq the heat won 52 games in a weak conference. wade almost single handedly (w/ help from refs?) took them past the pistons in the ECF and the mavs in the finals. shaq was solid but unspectacular. and that was the end of the run right there. the next year they were back to mediocrity and 2 years later they were the worst team in the league

the nets of 2010-2011 and the heat of 2003-2004 are totally different animals. the nets would be taking a long-term gamble in order just to become a playoff team in the short-term. carmelo anthony is not dwyane wade. and brook lopez, needless to say, is not shaq

I beg to differ from you, Melo is maybe a notch below them but dam close. There is a lot of sad puppies here and i can understand why. But man what a difference a few months make. Not too long ago I was arguing with a nets fan telling me Lopez was an elite center, and i was telling him he good but not elite. Now im hearing he is awful. I really do hope Melo comes here and have success so some of these sour apples will cheer up lol. It may be your tired of hearing these Melo rumors are making many become sour. There is never a perfect scenerio, even the Heat signing the Big 3 came with criticism (too many alpha dogs, no quality role players, Wade and Bron cant shoot, Bosh is soft etc....).

Brook has had a dissapointing season...but only one ignorant 13 post jackhole threw him off the cliff. Brook has big upside yes. But had a fall back season. Even a few months ago...NO ONE...and I mean no one was confusing that upside with SHAQ, TD, KG...etc. NO ONE. SO lets keep what is being said in perspective.

One thing is blatently clear to me. You are one of those guys who severely overrate Melo. The guy has a LOT to be desired. A LOT.

Of course all sceanrios receive critcism. But that doesnt make them alike. I really hate stubborness. ANd that is all I am reading post after post. You arent seeing what we have realistically.

[enetric]

That was funny...

[enetric]

melo never was and never will come to the Nets. have fun with Brook Lopez and his 3 double doubles or whatever the hell amount he has.

Why do losers like you feel like trolling with your 8 posts until your next banning is worth your time? Seriously...if trying to torment people is what turns you on...just go downstair and say...HI MOM.

Once she remembers that you are the mutant spawn she created she will give your the horrified reaction you are hoping for.

[NyCeEvO]

I love when E comes back to lay the smackdown on the board! It's great...

[twix2500]

Brook has had a dissapointing season...but only one ignorant 13 post jackhole threw him off the cliff. Brook has big upside yes. But had a fall back season. Even a few months ago...NO ONE...and I mean no one was confusing that upside with SHAQ, TD, KG...etc. NO ONE. SO lets keep what is being said in perspective.

One thing is blatently clear to me. You are one of those guys who severely overrate Melo. The guy has a LOT to be desired. A LOT.

Of course all sceanrios receive critcism. But that doesnt make them alike. I really hate stubborness. ANd that is all I am reading post after post. You arent seeing what we have realistically.

Maybe how good is Anthony, may be the big difference between me and some of the Nets fans against this deal. I still can see Melo playing at a MVP candidate level in the future. And i can see Lopez playing at a 20/10 level in the near future, being a Pua Gasol level of player. And be the best player Melo has ever played with.

[8 Mile Ilic]

Once again people overreacting to something that hasn't happened as if it actually has.

I still believe this Melo talk smells of BS.

[NyCeEvO]

Once again people overreacting to something that hasn't happened as if it actually has.

I still believe this Melo talk smells of BS.

I've been saying the same thing to. It's too illogical for our management to even consider talking to the Nuggets again and for more than before unless it's a bluff to up the ante against the Knicks. I think that's exactly what we're seeing. Slowly but surely the Nuggets have got Gallo in the package and now they're asking for Mozgov too. The Knicks are falling into the same trap that we almost fell into and it may be even worse for them since they don't have the draft picks for compensation nor the cap relief. It gives the Denver FO an even greater incentive to drive up the price.

[vincecarter4pres]

melo never was and never will come to the Nets. have fun with Brook Lopez and his 3 double doubles or whatever the hell amount he has.

Why do losers like you feel like trolling with your 8 posts until your next banning is worth your time? Seriously...if trying to torment people is what turns you on...just go downstair and say...HI MOM.

Once she remembers that you are the mutant spawn she created she will give your the horrified reaction you are hoping for.

[panthermark]

So we entered a bidding war without even entering a bidding war to sweeten a NY deal for Denver?

I think our management's hate for NY is greater than their current dislike of the Denver FO. Therefore, because it was said that we were "back in the game" and were willing to give up so much, it has now forced NY to be willing to give up Gallo in addition to the package that they have already put out there. While it sweetens the pot for Denver, it also hurts NY because instead of paying Melo less via free agency and not giving up any players, NY is now forced to give up players and pay Melo's extension just to acquire him. It is a weird twist of the old proverb "The enemy (Knicks) of my enemy (Nuggets) is my friend".

LOL! Agree...
I was pushing the same agenda...and I had used the exact same phrase.
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by panthermark on Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:36 pm

Another layer in my whacky theory...

Not only is NJ in cahoots with Denver (allowing themselves to be used as leverage)...but Melo is helping.

Why in the world would Melo say he was worried about the CBA this late in the game? That gave ALL of the leverage back go Denver?

Why? They are all forcing NY's hand and not allowing the Knicks to wait until summer to get Melo for cheap.

Melo wants his cash...and he wants NY...that is how he gets it.
Denver gets a better deal out of it.
Denver "owes" NJ one...and they can work out a side deal for Murph in some way....thus helping NJ out while watching NY actually have to pay up for Melo.

NJ was never going to get Melo...but they can indeed help drive the price up....with Denver and Melo's help.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

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[8 Mile Ilic]

Woj has a flair for dramatics but I would be pretty damn happy if he finally got one right for a change:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... icks022011

[smw6230]

Woj has a flair for dramatics but I would be pretty damn happy if he finally got one right for a change:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... icks022011

Nope. shockingly Wojo got it wrong again.

NY Daily News - Isiah Thomas isn't involved in Carmelo Anthony trade talks between Knicks and Nuggets: Knicks

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/02/20/2011-02-20_isiah_thomas_isnt_involved_in_carmelo_anthony_trade_talks_between_knicks_and_nug.html

the Knicks said in a statement Sunday that Garden chairman Jim Dolan has been working with team president Donnie Walsh and coach Mike D'Antoni, and suggested that former team president Isiah Thomas has had no involvement in the team's trade talks with the Denver Nuggets.

"We want to make it abundantly clear that we have been in constant communication throughout this process and the three of us are in complete agreement with everything that we are currently working on," said the statement. "Together, we will do what is best for the long-term success of the franchise. In addition, we want to make it clear that no one from outside our organization has been involved in this process in any way. We will have no further comment at this time."

[vincecarter4pres]

Woj has a flair for dramatics but I would be pretty damn happy if he finally got one right for a change:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... icks022011

Oh lawdy lawdy!

[vincecarter4pres]

Woj has a flair for dramatics but I would be pretty damn happy if he finally got one right for a change:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... icks022011

Nope. shockingly Wojo got it wrong again.

NY Daily News - Isiah Thomas isn't involved in Carmelo Anthony trade talks between Knicks and Nuggets: Knicks

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/02/20/2011-02-20_isiah_thomas_isnt_involved_in_carmelo_anthony_trade_talks_between_knicks_and_nug.html

the Knicks said in a statement Sunday that Garden chairman Jim Dolan has been working with team president Donnie Walsh and coach Mike D'Antoni, and suggested that former team president Isiah Thomas has had no involvement in the team's trade talks with the Denver Nuggets.

"We want to make it abundantly clear that we have been in constant communication throughout this process and the three of us are in complete agreement with everything that we are currently working on," said the statement. "Together, we will do what is best for the long-term success of the franchise. In addition, we want to make it clear that no one from outside our organization has been involved in this process in any way. We will have no further comment at this time."

Lol, like the Knicks FO would EVER admit to this ****.

Taking that article over Woj is stupid, Woj is the best in the biz period.

[enetric]

Brook has had a dissapointing season...but only one ignorant 13 post jackhole threw him off the cliff. Brook has big upside yes. But had a fall back season. Even a few months ago...NO ONE...and I mean no one was confusing that upside with SHAQ, TD, KG...etc. NO ONE. SO lets keep what is being said in perspective.

One thing is blatently clear to me. You are one of those guys who severely overrate Melo. The guy has a LOT to be desired. A LOT.

Of course all sceanrios receive critcism. But that doesnt make them alike. I really hate stubborness. ANd that is all I am reading post after post. You arent seeing what we have realistically.

Maybe how good is Anthony, may be the big difference between me and some of the Nets fans against this deal. I still can see Melo playing at a MVP candidate level in the future. And i can see Lopez playing at a 20/10 level in the near future, being a Pua Gasol level of player. And be the best player Melo has ever played with.

I can see Brook being the best player he ever played with. I cant see Melo this far into his career being more than a scorer. A great scorer but one that is medicore to poor at every other facet of his game. I cant see that pairing being enough., And I cant see a team supported by Morrow, Outlaw, Humphries and little chance to add much more since cap room, all draft picks, and almost every other prospect for the next few years will be GONE.

That team isnt better than say Derron Williams and Boozer with a supporting cast on Utah that destroys what we would have fo the next few years. Its not. I think you have this idea that we can simply get guys. But I dont think you are looking at what we would have left to fill it in. We would be in trouble.

And I have trouble putting Melo in the top 10 NBA players not top 5. But lets say he is around 10. That and Brook and crap for the next 3 years isnt getting it done.

[vincecarter4pres]

I got Melo at 18...

[enetric]

Woj has a flair for dramatics but I would be pretty damn happy if he finally got one right for a change:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... icks022011

Nope. shockingly Wojo got it wrong again.

NY Daily News - Isiah Thomas isn't involved in Carmelo Anthony trade talks between Knicks and Nuggets: Knicks

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/02/20/2011-02-20_isiah_thomas_isnt_involved_in_carmelo_anthony_trade_talks_between_knicks_and_nug.html

the Knicks said in a statement Sunday that Garden chairman Jim Dolan has been working with team president Donnie Walsh and coach Mike D'Antoni, and suggested that former team president Isiah Thomas has had no involvement in the team's trade talks with the Denver Nuggets.

"We want to make it abundantly clear that we have been in constant communication throughout this process and the three of us are in complete agreement with everything that we are currently working on," said the statement. "Together, we will do what is best for the long-term success of the franchise. In addition, we want to make it clear that no one from outside our organization has been involved in this process in any way. We will have no further comment at this time."

Could be damage control. You dont want it to look like thier is dissention in the midst of a big deal. Woj doesnt get many things wrong from what I see. At least with facts. Opinions are another thing...

[enetric]

I got Melo at 18...

I bet he is closer on your ist to Danny Granger than he is Lebron James...right?

[vincecarter4pres]

I got Melo at 18...

I bet he is closer on your ist to Danny Granger than he is Lebron James...right?

1. Lebron James
2. Dwight Howard
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Chris Paul
5. Derrick Rose
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Kevin Durant
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Deron Williams
10. Pau Gasol
11. LaMarcus Aldridge
12. Manu Ginobili
13. Steve Nash
14. Amar'e Stoudemire
15. Russell Westbrook
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Paul Pierce
18. Carmelo Anthony
19. Tim Duncan
20. Rajon Rondo

Honorable mentions:
Carlos Boozer
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin
Danny Granger

[8 Mile Ilic]

Eh there are a lot of stretches on that list but some of the most notable ones are:

Pierce, Garnett*, Westbrook, Aldridge**

*Can not carry a team like Carmelo can and is being vastly overrated, presumably because of his former accomplishments.

**He's having a great year. Which is pretty much on par with Carmelo's worst year...

[Norm2953]

I got Melo at 18...

I bet he is closer on your ist to Danny Granger than he is Lebron James...right?

1. Lebron James
2. Dwight Howard
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Chris Paul
5. Derrick Rose
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Kevin Durant
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Deron Williams
10. Pau Gasol
11. LaMarcus Aldridge
12. Manu Ginobili
13. Steve Nash
14. Amar'e Stoudemire
15. Russell Westbrook
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Paul Pierce
18. Carmelo Anthony
19. Tim Duncan
20. Rajon Rondo

Honorable mentions:
Carlos Boozer
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin
Danny Granger

That's an interesting list for I'd put Melo ahead of Aldridge for now for nobody knows if Aldridge will end up deferring to Roy wen he returns.

I hope it all ends up well for NJ. There was an interesting comment during the AS game questioning
whether Amare and Melo could co-exist in D'Antoni's system. I would not be eager to give up so much for Melo be it NY or NJ. Cripes, you guys might be better off trying to trade for Deron Williams for I wonder if Melo even if you sign him would end up regretting not going to his preferred team in the end.