OT: Nets & Nuggets Reach Agreement On Trade;Now Its Up To CA

[Red Larrivee]

Apparently it has. Look at the lack of depth of trade rumors this year. There's probably teams monitoring the situation, to see if they can get a player from that trade who's moved.

There was speculation Denver could deal Devin Harris if they get him from NJ.
Maybe someone thinks they can get Gallinari, Felton, Chandler or some draft picks as well.

[kyrv]

FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
James Dolan believes that if Isiah were involved from the start LeBron would be a Knick. Feels he got Amar'e & that he is delivering Carmelo
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Didn't Stern already say something about a current college head coach being involved with an NBA team being a no-no?

If any penalty was to be handed down on the Knicks, is there any precedent for this sort of thing?

I wish Dolan ran the Bulls instead of that crummy Rein$dorf.

And good catch, the Knicks should definitely be penalized.

Stern should have nipped the whole tampering thing in the bud imo now he's in a trick bag of sorts.

[Red Larrivee]

This is the most blatant tampering I've ever seen. Melo is contractually obligated to the Nuggets, but yet he's allowed to have meetings with the general manager and owner of other teams who will have the cap to sign him in the summer?

[Jordan45822]

This is the most blatant tampering I've ever seen. Melo is contractually obligated to the Nuggets, but yet he's allowed to have meetings with the general manager and owner of other teams who will have the cap to sign him in the summer?

Denver gave permission to New York and New Jersey to meet with him.

[nitetrain8603]

If I'm New Jersey, I just do the deal if they really want him that bad. As much as Lala and Melo want New York, they're not going to leave 30-40 million on the table just to be in a different borrough. It wouldn't make any sense for him to do so. Hell, he could still live in Manhattan if that's what he wants.

If I'm Denver, and NJ no longer wants him, I also call his bluff. Because again, I don't see him turning down the money to just play in New York.

Personally, I don't see the big knock against the Nets. Yeah, people point out that it will be a while until the move, but man: they have a real opportunity. The renders I've seen of that stadium are awesome, and it's in an awesome location. Brooklyn is hot these days. You build that thing, and people will come. Is it a challenge? Sure. But that's half the fun. If the Nets made wise moves post-Anthony, it's not a stretch to believe that they could surpass the Knicks BB-wise reasonably quickly, and when they move to Brooklyn, watch out. The hype of a stadium in Brooklyn and a home-town star could be a potent mixture, IMO.

My thoughts exactly. If I wanted to be in that area, I'd just wait it out with the Nets. Keep in mind, Brooklyn will treat him like a god.

[sonny]

Is it still tampering if the Nuggets give him permission to do so?

[Jordan45822]

Is it still tampering if the Nuggets give him permission to do so?

Nope and pretty sure they let the NBA know about it before-hand.

[wickywack]

Can anyone explain to me why Denver wants Gallinari instead of Fields?

Fields was a 4 year college player who is basically maxed out on what he is going to be. Does anyone really expect anything more that 12 & 7 out of him going forward? Don't get me wrong - I'd sell the bones of my dead grandmother to get him on the Bulls - but his value to a rebuilding club isn't as great as that of someone like Gallo - who at least has 'potential'.

I'd move the Charlotte pick to nab Fields ... perhaps Denver would go for that instead.

[nitetrain8603]

Can anyone explain to me why Denver wants Gallinari instead of Fields?

Fields was a 4 year college player who is basically maxed out on what he is going to be. Does anyone really expect anything more that 12 & 7 out of him going forward? Don't get me wrong - I'd sell the bones of my dead grandmother to get him on the Bulls - but his value to a rebuilding club isn't as great as that of someone like Gallo - who at least has 'potential'.

I'd move the Charlotte pick to nab Fields ... perhaps Denver would go for that instead.

I wouldn't, though he's a great rebounder for a SG. CHA pick only goes for Mayo. It's for naught though, the Bulls are too chemistry oriented and it doesn't sound like they'll ever let a player go.

[The ROY]

Stern don't give a ****..he's FROM NY...

[wickywack]

I wouldn't, though he's a great rebounder for a SG. CHA pick only goes for Mayo. It's for naught though, the Bulls are too chemistry oriented and it doesn't sound like they'll ever let a player go.

Fair enough, but Fields sounds like exactly the kind of player that wouldn't disrupt chemistry.

[wickywack]

I wouldn't, though he's a great rebounder for a SG. CHA pick only goes for Mayo. It's for naught though, the Bulls are too chemistry oriented and it doesn't sound like they'll ever let a player go.

Fair enough, but Fields sounds like exactly the kind of player that wouldn't disrupt chemistry.

... and I think we have the cap space to absorb Fields without sending anyone (besides the pick) out.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Just as an FYI to those worried about the Deron or CP3 to NY crap:

We'd have to figure it out capwise, but it shouldn't be to tough of a sell to convince Deron or CP3 to play in NY with Melo and Amar'e.

If the cap stays the same as it is right now - 58 million - in a best case scenario (only Amare and Melo o n the roster) NY would have approx 13.6 million in cap space.

(This supposes 20 million for Amare (actually 19.986) and 20.44 million for Carmelo along with 9 rosters holds for 4.4million (9 * 490k).)


Deron Williams in 2012, as a 7 year veteran, would be eligible for 30% of the cap (or 105% of his previous year salary of 16.4 million)

This means Deron could sign a FA contract for 6yrs starting at 17.4 million and totaling 131million.

The most NY could offer would be 6yrs 103million (and thats assuming that they agree to a S&T with the Jazz). Otherwise NY's max offer would be 5yrs 78.8 million.

While I am sure endorsements would make up some of the difference - I don't know that he's going to be willing to give up 28 million dollars.

It seems it would be a bit of a tough sell. Especially considering his running-mates in NY will be making 50% more than he is making.

So are you assuming the cap will stay at 58 million, or go up, under a new CBA?

[boogydown]

How difficult will a Landry/Amare/Melo/Paul/etc. team be?

I'm not that worried though as while Boston declines, New York rises. Just a cycle we are going to have to deal with. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure we are going to get involved with Dwight Howard ourselves to an extent, and many other free agents in order to win now. We have 1.5 years before this happens and with a defensive minded coach compared to an offensive minded team, I'm more worried about the Heat still than the Knicks if in event they can even find a way to get Deron or Paul.

[WAYSA]

How difficult will a Landry/Amare/Melo/Paul/etc. team be?

Of course, it's not like we can't improve our own team over the next 1.5 years.

We would need Dwight to have a chance, basically.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

How difficult will a Landry/Amare/Melo/Paul/etc. team be?

Of course, it's not like we can't improve our own team over the next 1.5 years.

As a second round pick - Landry Fields would be entitled to earn up to the full MLE in his third season (2010) - so 5.7 million currently.


That would put the Knicks at 19.98 (Amare) + 20.44 (Melo) + 5.7 (Landry) + 3.9 (8 * 490k) = 50 million


That would leave NY with 8 million dollars of cap space under the current CBA. Not gonna sign CP3 or Deron for 8 million starting.

[WAYSA]

Isn't it pretty much impossible to know what the cap is will be w/ the CBA in limbo?

Also, Stern is pushing revenue sharing. I wonder if the cap will go up, because of this.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Isn't it pretty much impossible to know what the cap is will be w/ the CBA in limbo?

Also, Stern is pushing revenue sharing. I wonder if the cap will go up, because of this.

Of course. But we work with what we know.


Re: Revenue sharing - I find it hard to believe anything will push the cap to go up. Or if it does go up - say goodbye to fully guaranteed deals.

[boogydown]

We would need Dwight to have a chance, basically.

Miami is bound to get a defensive center and a upgraded PG. Are we going to need Dwight to beat them as well?

I see the best case scenario for us getting Dwight in 2012 is moving Carlos Boozer to a team willing to absorb him.

Trading Noah which is the heart and soul of this team will never happen. Orlando is obviously going to demand this so best case scenario is we find a way to move these guys which forces Orlando to move him to us with Noah and Rose on this team. Then we're in solid shape which to me doesn't sound like something that is far fetched as we could do it and be well under the salary cap.

It really would come down to Boozer though because if he can play at the level he is playing now, he should be an easy target to be absorbed by a team.

Deng 13.36
Rose 9.1 (will be a bit higher but I bet he will be flexible)
Noah 11.3
Taj 2.1
Omer 2.3

38.1 million if we can move Boozer. We have 20 million cap space now to sign Dwight assuming things don't change. If we are unable to move Boozer, we could move Deng. We shouldn't have any issues competing in 2012 if you ask me.

Chicago is in good shape which is why they want a contract that expires in 2012 like Lee so they can make a decision then as well.

[Jordan45822]

I am not worried about NY:

1. they wouldn't be a contender yet, maybe in 2012 if they get Paul

2. Pringles still coach

3. Not sure if they even will get CA, something tells me Denver will somehow be successful in getting him to NJ