We should try trading battier

rocketsfan1 · Post #1 » by **rocketsfan1** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:14 pm

I think we should trade battier and Brooks and a pick of we have to for chris kaman and Eric Bledsoe

MaxRider · Post #2 » by **MaxRider** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:13 pm

kaman - no, bad contract and not healthy
bledsoe - don't buy into the hype, lowry is better

The Beam King · Post #3 » by **The Beam King** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:14 pm

rocketsfan1 wrote:I think we should trade battier and Brooks and a pick of we have to for chris kaman and Eric Bledsoe

You very well might get Kaman for that package, but I highly doubt you'll squeeze Bledsoe out of the deal too.

texasholdem · Post #4 » by **texasholdem** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:37 pm

Plan B

Brooks, Brad and Battier to the Lakers for
Bynum and Blake

Rockets
F: Martin/Bud
F: Scola/Hill/Patterson
C: Bynum/Hayes
G: Lowry/Blake/Smith
G: Lee/Williams

Lakers
F: Battier/Artest
F: Odom/Smith
C: Gasol/Miller
G: Brooks/Fisher
G: Bryant/Brown

MaxRider · Post #5 » by **MaxRider** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:11 am

texasholdem wrote:Plan B

Brooks, Brad and Battier to the Lakers for
Bynum and Blake

Rockets
F: Martin/Bud
F: Scola/Hill/Patterson
C: Bynum/Hayes
G: Lowry/Blake/Smith
G: Lee/Williams

Lakers
F: Battier/Artest
F: Odom/Smith
C: Gasol/Miller
G: Brooks/Fisher
G: Bryant/Brown

for lakers to give us bynum
scola will be in it

rocketsballin · Post #6 » by **rocketsballin** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:04 am

i dont wanna deal with another 5 years of an expensive injury prone center unless 90% of his salary can be traded or absorbed

MaxRider · Post #7 » by **MaxRider** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:18 am

roxfashoballin wrote:i dont wanna deal with another 5 years of an expensive injury prone center unless 90% of his salary can be traded or absorbed

if he never play a game in those years insurance will pay most of it

Guy986 · Post #8 » by **Guy986** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:32 am

roxfashoballin wrote:i dont wanna deal with another 5 years of an expensive injury prone center unless 90% of his salary can be traded or absorbed

Most big guys are injury prone. Bogut, Nene, Kaman, Bynum... it comes with the territory. If you dont want injury pron players, you're looking at a 6'6 guy.

texasholdem · Post #9 » by **texasholdem** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:34 am

roxfashoballin wrote:i dont wanna deal with another 5 years of an expensive injury prone center unless 90% of his salary can be traded or absorbed

What is this 5 years you speak of? Bynum will make $15 million next year and after that we would have a team option to pay him $16.5 million or let him walk.

rocketsballin · Post #10 » by **rocketsballin** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:09 am

oh woops, i dont keep up with contracts that much. still, i'd rather get someone who has been healthy within the last 3-5 years. ever since bynum broke out he's been injured. those guys like bogut, kaman, even camby pulls in a healthy season. i dont mind injuries, but bynum has too much.

Post #11 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:28 am

Kaman is overrated offensively, and not enough a defensive threat that he'd be a sort of answer to our problems. I'd love to get Bynum, his potential would be too much to pass up on, but it's all moot, considering there's no chance we could get him.

Kal El · Post #12 » by **Kal El** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:30 am

bynum is overrated. don't fall for this "potential" non sense. he is what his numbers say. a guy that has yet to average over 8.3rpg. he is not a shot blocker. he is what he is and that is long lanky 7'0 footer that gets his occasional tip ins but his length does create the defensive presence. yao ming was healthier than this guy to start of his career.

but i do agree kaman is also overrated. we are looking more for a defensive big man and kaman is not, while his offense is also overrated.

Most big guys are injury prone. Bogut, Nene, Kaman, Bynum... it comes with the territory. If you dont want injury pron players, you're looking at a 6'6 guy.

the only one injury prone is bynum. bogut has only had 1 season where he missed significant time. kaman 2 seasons and nene is in his 3rd straight healthy season. bynum has yet to start more than 65 games in a season in his career. his games played season after season is atrocious

Post #13 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:15 am

Kal El wrote:bynum is overrated. don't fall for this "potential" non sense. he is what his numbers say. a guy that has yet to average over 8.3rpg. he is not a shot blocker. he is what he is and that is long lanky 7'0 footer that gets his occasional tip ins but his length does create the defensive presence. yao ming was healthier than this guy to start of his career.

His numbers are also in a role where he's barely the fourth option, if that on offense. In the 17 games Gasol didn't play last season, 15 of them Bynum played in. Those 15 games, his stats were as follows:

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19.8 PPG, 11.8 RPG, 1.4 APG on 124-220 (.563)

His potential is there, he's got terrific size, and with that sort of length as you allude to, he can be a player that affects the game on both ends. I agree he's overrated by some fans, in that a lot of people already act like he is that great center, but it'd be interesting too see him in a role where's relied upon, and gameplanned for offensively.

Kal El · Post #14 » by **Kal El** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:01 am

i understand that he isn't the 1st or 2nd option on offense. and yes im aware of his flashes but i think i ts time when he separate flashes from potential to his ceiling. those are great numbers no doubt. but in reality its about consistency. he has had one good season where he managed to start 65 games and average 15/8 in 09/10. this season 11/7 has only played in 32 games thus far. 08/09 50 games 14/8. the season before that 35 games. and not to mention the fact he was practically non existent in every sense during the finals.

now im not trying to kick a guy down due to his injuries, as a rockets fan i think we all know how unfortunate those are. but i would not pay this player $13+ mil a season. never mind about hoping to reach his potential. can he even stay consistent and be a serviceable center at 15/8? i mean for $13 mil $15 mil $16 mil a season i might be content with a 15/8 center with defensive presence, but does he even have the "potential" to do that? the only potential i see is that he has the potential to have worse career turnout than yao ming.

- just my opinion

Post #15 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:22 am

I agree with what you're saying, for the amount of money he makes, it's a concern when the most consistent aspect of his game is that he's bound to miss a chunk of games. More what I was trying to point out was that he'd likely have greater stats on a worse team, or on a team that was more centered around him (essentially trying to say it might be a bit unfair to bring up solely statistics). Unfortunately the league we're in is so center deprived that Bynum's impact/potential does tend to get overrated in an all-time sense, but he has things you can't teach in size, and length. And I think with the flashes he's shown, with a more consistent role, he could maybe maximize that potential, heck, he has shown he can be a 15/8 center, but the more pressing issue is his health. You bring up a good point in his playoff performance though, that has been underwhelming to say the least.

Definitely respect your opinion, but if a sort of situation came up where we could get Bynum (again, no chance), I wouldn't hesitate, just because how much premium there is on big men.

Kal El · Post #16 » by **Kal El** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:26 am

^greater stats on a bad team, i can agree to that. hypothetically speaking if he was healthy for a string of seasons and he played for lets say the wolves and given the minutes and opportunities he would have a good chance of having better numbers. i mean kevin love is a 21/15 player on the wolves lol.

inquisitive · Post #17 » by **inquisitive** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:01 am

I wouldn't mind getting Bynum despite his injury history . He is 23yrs old and his contract is only fully guaranteed for next season. The following year is an option. He is not overrated, but he still needs to work on his low post D and also rushes his shots offensively. Still, considering we only have to pay him for 1 yr until we decide on his future., i would pull the trigger in a heartbeat especially for only Battier and Jeffries. I do think that if the Lakers trade for him, they would want Brooks in return.

rdehonney · Post #18 » by **rdehonney** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:33 am

inquisitive wrote:I wouldn't mind getting Bynum despite his injury history . He is 23yrs old and his contract is only fully guaranteed for next season. The following year is an option. He is not overrated, but he still needs to work on his low post D and also rushes his shots offensively. Still, considering we only have to pay him for 1 yr until we decide on his future., i would pull the trigger in a heartbeat especially for only Battier and Jeffries. I do think that if the Lakers trade for him, they would want Brooks in return.

basically. Half the people on this board are willing to wait for yao to get healthy and our other young players to develop(when a lot of our young players have a low ceiling) but they don't want to trade for anyone who is developing or injury prone. I agree with everything you said about bynum, he's past the potential phase and he's shown how good he can be. The only two questions with him are: 1) can he be great rather than good and 2) can he stay healthy. When gasol is out he shows how good he is.

MaxRider · Post #19 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:54 am

rdehonney wrote:
basically. Half the people on this board are willing to wait for yao to get healthy and our other young players to develop(when a lot of our young players have a low ceiling) but they don't want to trade for anyone who is developing or injury prone. I agree with everything you said about bynum, he's past the potential phase and he's shown how good he can be. The only two questions with him are: 1) can he be great rather than good and 2) can he stay healthy. When gasol is out he shows how good he is.

i think majority of the people on this board including myself just want to wait to get the right pieces
we don't want to trade someone just to make change that actually isn't going to help