Deron to Knicks?

[Fido]

I'm not worried about this dodgy piece of twitter. As the author says, the Knicks probably wouldn't be able to add him if they already have 2 near max contracts. Mid-level exception Deron?

And I don't think the Jazz do anything like "trade him now while he still has value" (that statement is a load of crap by the way--what is he going to do, lose value between now and 2012?). Trading him somewhere for several role players and expiring contracts doesn't take you anywhere but the lottery--which is all anyone is going to offer in exchange. Carmelo is going to opt out and be a free agent after the season and has as much value as any star does--all he has to do is agree to the contract extension before the trade.

I'm far more worried about what will happen with the lockout, next CBA, and once those things are known the Jazz will move forward with their team building for the next phase of their NBA existance. This team was built to allow for a rebuild/reset if necessary in the summer of 2012. The only players who are under contract for 2012-13 is:
- Deron (expiring at $17.8 mill if he doesn't opt out)
- Jefferson (expiring at $15 mill)
- Millsap (expiring at $8.6 mill)
- Bell (expiring at $3.48 mill)
- Gordon Hayward (with 2 team options remaining)
- Jeremy Evans (on his QO if not resigned to another deal before then).

There is still a year and a half before any of this comes and hopefully we know what the new CBA is going to look like and moves made well before then.

[JDubJazz]

All this speculation is irrelevant until we know what happens with the collective bargaining agreement. That is THE game-changer. If franchise player tags or hard salary caps come to the NBA, then its a whole different game.

[NO-KG-AI]

Guys, every year, every single player is reported to be going to the Knicks, and Amare Stoudemire and Allan Houston are the only guys to ever actually do it.

I dunno why NY thinks everyone wants to play there, players use the Knicks as leverage all the time, hahaha.

[StocktonShorts]

Who could possibly want to leak a rumor that Deron wants to go the Knicks? And why would they want to do it this weekend? I just can't imagine who would do that.

[retiredcoach]

Miller should trade Deron and AK now while they still has value. AK now and Deron at the end of the season--unless they both commit to extensions now. Of course their agents won't let them do that!

And I don't think the Jazz do anything like "trade him now while he still has value" (that statement is a load of crap by the way--what is he going to do, lose value between now and 2012?).

While I can appreciate your sentimentality for Deron, of course he loses value as a trade by 2012.

Right now no one knows if there's going to be a lock out, a partial season or a last minute deal over the CBA. Some teams may think they have one last shot at a title, either this year or next and that the one missing piece might be Deron. They'll take the chance to either get him now for the rest of the season or next year and risk the lockout. They may believe that if they have a title shot, Deron will sign an extension or play his option year with them. That's not smart thinking, but we've all seen owners make dumb ass moves before, especially the ones with title lust. The one catch for trading him now is his hurt wrist.

Once 2012 is passes, all the options are on Deron's side of the table. He can take the option year or walk. He has zero trade value unless a team he wants to play for has to have a sign&trade deal to make it work. The probability of that is low.

Deron will get max money no matter where he decides to go or if he stays in Utah. The problem is with the CBA not yet set, max money could be a lot less if he goes. That's the one thing the Jazz have to hope for is that signing him here allows them to pay him $4 mil a year more than any other team could over the next 5 years. Right now, that may just be possible. There's also the franchise tag possibility. The only other reason Deron would stay is if he really liked living in Utah and that doesn't seem to the case.

AK has no trade value after Feb 24th.

[dancing dervish]

Hey guys how are you doing?

Just thought I'd drop by and say hello to my lovely brothers from Salt Lake City.

[countrybama24]

Lame. Even if it's wrong. This whole thing is weak.

[Fido]

While I can appreciate your sentimentality for Deron, of course he loses value as a trade by 2012.

Right now no one knows if there's going to be a lock out, a partial season or a last minute deal over the CBA. Some teams may think they have one last shot at a title, either this year or next and that the one missing piece might be Deron. They'll take the chance to either get him now for the rest of the season or next year and risk the lockout. They may believe that if they have a title shot, Deron will sign an extension or play his option year with them. That's not smart thinking, but we've all seen owners make dumb ass moves before, especially the ones with title lust. The one catch for trading him now is his hurt wrist.

Ok, excellent. Let's explore this. If a team feels like Deron is the "one missing piece" and this is their last shot at a title, what are they going to be willing to give the Jazz? Starters? No. That would be counter productive to their win-now position. So if all you can get for Deron is end-of-bench filler or expiring contracts (which is all I can envision a team in this scenario being willing to offer), then value = low as far as the Jazz are concerned. Maybe they offer draft picks. But a team in this scenario would only have draft picks late in the 1st round--where the Jazz have been picking anyhow. Again value = low as far as the Jazz are concerned.

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Once 2012 is passes, all the options are on Deron's side of the table. He can take the option year or walk. He has zero trade value unless a team he wants to play for has to have a sign&trade deal to make it work. The probability of that is low.

Hmmm....again this one is tough for me to understand. Why is the probability low that the team he wants to play for needs a sign-and-trade? Let's assume for the sake of argument that the Knicks are the team he wants to play for. They either offer him their available room under the cap or use an exception (we must use the rules as they are today because nobody knows how things would change then). Stoudemire will be making $19.948 mill in 2012-13. Gallinari and Randolph will both be up for contract extensions. If the Carmelo rumors are true and they give him a big contract, chances are the Knicks will be over the cap. I can't envision Deron taking the mid-level exception. Which means a trade is required to give Deron a reasonable salary.

Deron will get max money no matter where he decides to go or if he stays in Utah.

Not under the scenario proposed above. Deron would need the Jazz to sign and trade or he is very unlikely to get the max on a team able to compete in the "leave the Jazz" scenario. After all, Deron would be leaving $18.8 million on the table should he opt out that last year.

So for the reasons listed above, I don't see Deron having lower value to the Jazz in 2012--even if he opts out. Unless there is a Miami Heat-like scenario where the roster is all gone about the same time and lots of free agents are available. The only 2 potentials I see as rosters stand today is LA Clippers (assuming Baron opts out of his final year at $14 mill) or the Kings. But those scenarios don't really look like the Heat because they don't have a big money free agent who could resign like Wade did--unless it is Baron, which doesn't seem likely as he plays the same position as Deron.

[StocktonShorts]

I know it's the "in" thing around to here to bitch Deron Williams out about every little thing and to call him a bad person, but I've honestly always loved how he handles the media. He doesn't put up with their crap.

From @tribjazz:

Jazz's Williams: "If it comes from my mouth and you hear me say I want to go to New York, then you can believe it."

I think he truly hates the spotlight, and I do think he would think twice about playing somewhere like NY. Now, he's not going to stay with a team that doesn't look like they're trying to contend, but I don't think he's actively seeking out a bigger market. He doesn't strike me as that kind of guy. I think he'd play for whatever team gives him the best chance of winning, and if he were deciding between two cities I think he's the type of person to choose the quieter, less stressful one. That's my take on him, at least.

[Spottieottie]

D-Will is one surly ****

[The59Sound]

It's not the fact that it's "in," so much as the fact that he's kind of a prick. People that are commenting on it now were just willing to ignore it when things were all sunshine and meadows with the team.

[Neon Black]

You know what's funny?

Amidst all the questions Deron's had about the New York incident he's never denied it...not once. Oh sure, the Trib and Realgm headlines say he does. But read the articles. All he does is deflect and attack the credibility of the reporter.

[Neon Black]

You know what's funny?

Amidst all the questions Deron's had about the New York incident he's never denied it...not once. Oh sure, the Trib and Realgm headlines say he does. But read the articles. All he does is deflect and attack the credibility of the reporter.

[seejaydeja]

You know what's funny?

Amidst all the questions Deron's had about the New York incident he's never denied it...not once. Oh sure, the Trib and Realgm headlines say he does. But read the articles. All he does is deflect and attack
the credibility of the reporter.

Sometimes the report is so outrageous, it's laughable to even comment on it which I think applies on this one.

[StocktonShorts]

I heard from one of his associates that he eats babies. Until we hear a clear denial from him you should all operate as if this is a fact.

[retiredcoach]

Post by HappyProle on Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:52 pm
I heard from one of his associates that he eats babies. Until we hear a clear denial from him you should all operate as if this is a fact.

Even if Williams denies the rumor that he eats babies, he could be lying to cover it up. Or perhaps he runs them through the blender first so he can drink babies and then have plausible deniability.

About the only thing that can be determined is he didn't eat all of his babies because he has three children that haven't been eaten. Perhaps he only eats other people's babies.

It's very hard to know the truth about what's in the mind of another person. What is known for sure is he won't be here after 2012, so the baby eating problem will be up to someone else to figure out.

PS If the Jazz decide to trade him, I hope they trade him for someone who doesn't like babies, regardless of what kind they are!

[Soul Patch]

Gross man. Why would you eat them dead?

[Neon Black]

You know what's funny?

Amidst all the questions Deron's had about the New York incident he's never denied it...not once. Oh sure, the Trib and Realgm headlines say he does. But read the articles. All he does is deflect and attack
the credibility of the reporter.

Sometimes the report is so outrageous, it's laughable to even comment on it which I think applies on this one.

I think the report is a stretch but not outrageous. He's been asked much more outrageous things, in which cases he has flat out denied certain allegations.

I don't think that taking note of the very real possibility that there could be some hint of truth in Berger's irresponsible report means that I "operate as if this is a fact". I'm not treating either perspective as if I knew it were fact or fiction.