Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[nate33]

CCJ, forget your vision of your ideal roster configuration for a moment and consider the realities of the free agency process.

Even if Howard wants to leave, he's going to designate a handful of teams that'll he accept a trade to. If we're lucky, we'll be one of those teams, but there's absolutely NO chance that we'll be the ONLY team Howard will consider. Therefore, we will be in a bidding war with the other teams on Howard's short list to put together the best trade package. It's a virtual certainty that, at the very least, we'll have to offer future picks plus one or two talented young players.

Assuming that the talented trade assets available for trade are McGee, Blatche, Young, plus whoever we drafted with our 2011 lotto pick, then it is pretty clear to me that McGee would be the most expendable as well as the most desired of those assets. He would surely be a goner.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sorry, but Dwight Howard destroyed Javale like he was a 4'11 little girl with pigtails every time they play. He might be proud as peaches of him, but he's got no reason to want to play with him. It's Wall that is the attraction to play with the Zards - and that's pretty much it right now. Javale can become a very good player, but Hakeem, Ralph, The Admiral, and Dwight and even Pau were studs from day 1. It's sacrilege (I tells ya) to make any kind of comparison of Javale to those guys.

Ruz, Howard is a true C. Javale is being done a disservice by a coach who puts him in positions to fail left and right. Seraphin should have been the post defender with Javale blocking shots from the weak side. McGee dunking and Seraphin dunking and Booker dunking is what Dwight should have been concerned with when he was crushing Javale.

McGee is also like Hot Rod Williams, perhaps more than he's like Nance. I remember both players well.
Nance did play mostly with Phoenix before that team had drug issue players they decided to break up.

McGee's offense needed to be from Blatche's position, with Seraphin and Booker attacking Howard, After softening Howard and getting him to foul, THEN put Andray out there from midrange and with post moves with Dwight saddled a bit.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ, forget your vision of your ideal roster configuration for a moment and consider the realities of the free agency process.

Even if Howard wants to leave, he's going to designate a handful of teams that'll he accept a trade to. If we're lucky, we'll be one of those teams, but there's absolutely NO chance that we'll be the ONLY team Howard will consider. Therefore, we will be in a bidding war with the other teams on Howard's short list to put together the best trade package. It's a virtual certainty that, at the very least, we'll have to offer future picks plus one or two talented young players.

Assuming that the talented trade assets available for trade are McGee, Blatche, Young, plus whoever we drafted with our 2011 lotto pick, then it is pretty clear to me that McGee would be the most expendable as well as the most desired of those assets. He would surely be a goner.

Why can't the tradable assets be Valanciunis, Seraphin, Lewis' expiring deal, and future picks? You have no clue who the team will draft. McGee is definitely worth 10 Mil--they need to extend him ASAP.

I think the bottom line is don't close your mind to anything, nate. If Seraphin's the man in a year I'd trade Javale if it got me Dwight Howard.

You guys trading away McGee with Blatche and picks are giving young talent with years of experience.

[leswizards]

Even if Howard wants to leave, he's going to designate a handful of teams that'll he accept a trade to. If we're lucky, we'll be one of those teams, but there's absolutely NO chance that we'll be the ONLY team Howard will consider. Therefore, we will be in a bidding war with the other teams on Howard's short list to put together the best trade package. It's a virtual certainty that, at the very least, we'll have to offer future picks plus one or two talented young players.

The Cavs and the Raptors got some picks and a huge trade exemption for Lebron and Bosh. The Wizards should wait till Dwight becomes a free agent, hopefully convince him that DC is the best place to play, and not offer much more to Orlando than what the Cavs and Raptors got.

[no D in Hibachi]

Even if Howard wants to leave, he's going to designate a handful of teams that'll he accept a trade to. If we're lucky, we'll be one of those teams, but there's absolutely NO chance that we'll be the ONLY team Howard will consider. Therefore, we will be in a bidding war with the other teams on Howard's short list to put together the best trade package. It's a virtual certainty that, at the very least, we'll have to offer future picks plus one or two talented young players.

The Cavs and the Raptors got some picks and a huge trade exemption for Lebron and Bosh. The Wizards should wait till Dwight becomes a free agent, hopefully convince him that DC is the best place to play, and not offer much more to Orlando than what the Cavs and Raptors got.

The eyes of NBA GM's have been opened and they're all being proactive about getting what they can for stars if they don't re-sign. Look at Melo, Denver has been talking about trading him the moment he wouldn't re-sign last summer. I suspect teams won't let these pouty mega-stars burn them like Cleveland and Toronto got burned last year. We'll see a lot more Melo-Drama situations going forward than "Decision 2010's".

[nate33]

Why can't the tradable assets be Valanciunis, Seraphin, Lewis' expiring deal, and future picks? You have no clue who the team will draft. McGee is definitely worth 10 Mil--they need to extend him ASAP.

I think the bottom line is don't close your mind to anything, nate. If Seraphin's the man in a year I'd trade Javale if it got me Dwight Howard.

You guys trading away McGee with Blatche and picks are giving young talent with years of experience.

It's not about being close-minded, it's about reality. Lewis won't be included because Orlando would rather have raw cap space. Future picks will be included but that's not much of an incentive. Those future picks are likely to be in the 25-30 range. Seraphin may or may not be included, but again, he's not the incentive that the Wizards will need to add to outbid other offers.

The centerpiece to our deal will have to be either McGee or our 2011 draft pick (assuming that pick pans out to be a budding star). If our pick looks like he'll pan out to be a starting-caliber SF or PF, then it makes more sense to trade McGee than that pick. Also, Orlando will presumably be looking for a center to replace Howard, not a forward like Sullinger, Kanter, Williams or Barnes.

I don't anticipate drafting Valenciunas. If we do, then my guess is that we'll be forced to give up whomever among McGee/Valenciunas that Orlando wants. Maybe that will indeed be Valanciunus, but only if he looks to be better than McGee.

[Ruzious]

Ruz, Howard is a true C. Javale is being done a disservice by a coach who puts him in positions to fail left and right. Seraphin should have been the post defender with Javale blocking shots from the weak side. McGee dunking and Seraphin dunking and Booker dunking is what Dwight should have been concerned with when he was crushing Javale.

McGee is also like Hot Rod Williams, perhaps more than he's like Nance. I remember both players well.
Nance did play mostly with Phoenix before that team had drug issue players they decided to break up.

McGee's offense needed to be from Blatche's position, with Seraphin and Booker attacking Howard, After softening Howard and getting him to foul, THEN put Andray out there from midrange and with post moves with Dwight saddled a bit.

Just for kicks, I looked at the Cleveland 91-92 roster. It was sick. Daugherty, Hot Rod Williams and Larry Nance up front - backed up by Danny Ferry and Chucky Brown. Mark Price in the backcourt with young Terrell Brandon - along with Craig Ehlo and Steve Kerr. Bobby Phills was on the roster before that tragic car accident. Hot Rod had issues if I remember right, but I can't remember what they were. And Daugherty was almost Tim Duncan quality.

[leswizards]

The eyes of NBA GM's have been opened and they're all being proactive about getting what they can for stars if they don't re-sign. Look at Melo, Denver has been talking about trading him the moment he wouldn't re-sign last summer. I suspect teams won't let these pouty mega-stars burn them like Cleveland and Toronto got burned last year. We'll see a lot more Melo-Drama situations going forward than "Decision 2010's".

Yeah, but Denver hasn't gotten anything for Melo yet. New Jersey has offered a lot, but it was all contingent upon Melo signing. Melo doesn't want to sign with New Jersey, and hence their is no deal. All smart teams should offer as little as possible, not get in a trade war, and just wait till the free agency period. That way, they can get Melo or Howard for as little possible.

[theboomking]

Just to be clear, I don't think we need to pursue assets to trade for Dwight. I just think we need to be obtaining assets. Period. I just thought the Irving for Cousins for Howard was an interesting discussion piece. An no, I don't think Mcgee, Blatche and Irving are too much for Cousins. Cousins replaces McGee, who isn't as good a post defender as the rookie, Seraphin, and who has no offensive repetoir. Blathe is a throw away piece IMHO. Outside of Irving, who we obviously don't need, who in this draft do you guys feel is a better prospect than Cousins. Nobody. This is a star driven league and that trade would allow us to add a potential future star at one of the most important positions. It couldbe a decent trade whether or not we flipped Cousins for Orlando. Then again, givem Cousins' attitude, it could be a disaster.

In terms of playing McGee at PF, I just don't see it. Just because Seraphin is a better post defender, doesn't mean McGee has the ability to play PF on offense. He can't shoot and isn't even good on offense at center except for alley oops; transition, and clean ups. I do think that McGee might be better at defending PF's however.

Regarding Howard, I agree that it is unlikely that he'll sign here, but he makes for interesting conversation on a forum. He's definitely not going to the Lakers, who have no cap room. Howard will have to consider teams that have the cap room to accomodart him. Whether we are on his initial short list or not, if we have cap room, Wall, and the best trade offer on thd table, he'd have to consider us. Of course, we'd be better off just signing him in FA. Wall, Howard, NY, Jared sullinger, and a 3 that could shoot would be a championship caliber starting five. I wish Melo would just set the example of just waiting for FA and signing with a team. It son't happen, and makes little sense financially, but if you want to win, it makes a lot more sense to sign with a team in FA, thereby allowing that team to keep its personnel assets.

[mhd]

Just a trade I thought of to get max cap space for 2012:

Wiz trade Lewis+Javale for Camby+VladRad (exp)+Dorrell Wright
GSW trade: Wright+VladRad+Biedrins for Lewis+McGee
Por trades: Camby for Biedrins

Por gets a starting center now in Biedrins for an injured Camby. Biedrins is also 10 years younger. GSW gets a needed shotblocker in Javale and they have no cap space plans anytime soon, so Lewis isn't a prohibitive deal.

Wiz get a good young starting SF in Wright while getting max cap space with Camby's 2011 expiring deal.

[nate33]

Just a trade I thought of to get max cap space for 2012:

Wiz trade Lewis+Javale for Camby+VladRad (exp)+Dorrell Wright
GSW trade: Wright+VladRad+Biedrins for Lewis+McGee
Por trades: Camby for Biedrins

Por gets a starting center now in Biedrins for an injured Camby. Biedrins is also 10 years younger. GSW gets a needed shotblocker in Javale and they have no cap space plans anytime soon, so Lewis isn't a prohibitive deal.

Wiz get a good young starting SF in Wright while getting max cap space with Camby's 2011 expiring deal.

If we want max cap space in 2012, all we have to do is trade Blatche for a 2012 contract. That should be feasible. No need to sacrifice McGee.

[no D in Hibachi]

Looks like Gallo and Mosgov will be going to NJN. With Timophay manning the five-spot maybe the Nets will be open to dealing Lopez (after all he is having a down year). Would you consider trading the Wizards top pick after the season for Lopez? Do you think NJN would be up for it?

[mhd]

Just a trade I thought of to get max cap space for 2012:

Wiz trade Lewis+Javale for Camby+VladRad (exp)+Dorrell Wright
GSW trade: Wright+VladRad+Biedrins for Lewis+McGee
Por trades: Camby for Biedrins

Por gets a starting center now in Biedrins for an injured Camby. Biedrins is also 10 years younger. GSW gets a needed shotblocker in Javale and they have no cap space plans anytime soon, so Lewis isn't a prohibitive deal.

Wiz get a good young starting SF in Wright while getting max cap space with Camby's 2011 expiring deal.

If we want max cap space in 2012, all we have to do is trade Blatche for a 2012 contract. That should be feasible. No need to sacrifice McGee.

Nate, are you factoring in Young's potential contract in your calculations?

[hands11]

The Howard dream needs to stop (at least so seriously).

If he were to go anywhere (and I doubt he will), I suspect LA to take over the reins of the Lakers.

Agreed. While I consider the acquistion of Howard to be within the realm of possibility, it is by no means likely enough to start making long range plans for it.

The following things must happen before a Howard to DC proposal is feasible:
* We must retain max, or near-max cap room in 2012
* Howard must want out of Orlando
* We need to win at least 40 games next year and generate buzz as an "up and coming" franchise like Chicago was last year.
* Wall needs to approach superstar status by the second half of next year - at least as good as Russell Westbrook or Rajon Rondo - an hopefully in the same tier as Paul, Rose and Deron.
* We need our 2011 draft pick to look like a future star-caliber player, not necessarily a superstar, but at least project to be roughly as good as Serge Ibaka or Rudy Gay.
* We need McGee to improve enough to where his trade value is significant. And Blatche also needs to improve or be traded for future picks/prospects to use as trade bait.

If all these things come to pass, then, and only then should we seriously discuss Howard. The only thing we can control is step 1 - maintaining 2012 cap room. That's the only thing I'd worry about for now.

Yeep, I think that is why people are talking about it.

So here is what some are saying Wall is worth.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/2/21 ... #storyjump

[eltacoman]

Boston IN
Kirk Hinrich - Defensive/scoring Combo Gaurd vet
Josh Howard - Defence/Scoring SF vet
Boston OUT
Jermaine O'Neal
Nate Robinson
Avery Bradley
2011 1st

Washington
Jermaine O'Neal - Experienced Vet Could serve as a bigman player/coach
Nate Robinson - Good spark off the bench Combo guard
Avery Bradley - Young Player (19th 2010)
2011 Boston 1st - 30th - 27th overall pick
Washington
Kirk Hinrich
Josh Howard

Boston would get two players that would fit right on to there style of play.
this could help them make there run at a title this year and next much more easier

For Us this trade would just break Kirks contract about in Half with Oneals and Nate contracts
It would snag us Two young assets with Avery and Bostons pick to use in future trades
Oneal could prove to be a good player/coach for Blatche n McGee

[verbal8]

Boston IN
Kirk Hinrich - Defensive/scoring Combo Gaurd vet
Josh Howard - Defence/Scoring SF vet
Boston OUT
Jermaine O'Neal
Nate Robinson
Avery Bradley
2011 1st

Washington
Jermaine O'Neal - Experienced Vet Could serve as a bigman player/coach
Nate Robinson - Good spark off the bench Combo guard
Avery Bradley - Young Player (19th 2010)
2011 Boston 1st - 30th - 27th overall pick
Washington
Kirk Hinrich
Josh Howard

Boston would get two players that would fit right on to there style of play.
this could help them make there run at a title this year and next much more easier

For Us this trade would just break Kirks contract about in Half with Oneals and Nate contracts
It would snag us Two young assets with Avery and Bostons pick to use in future trades
Oneal could prove to be a good player/coach for Blatche n McGee

I like it for the Wizards, but I think Boston is overpaying a bit. I would be happy to net either Bradley or the Celtics 1st for Howard and Hinrich.

[kirubel94]

Is any one interested in Galllanari , the nuggets are interested in trading him.

[nuposse04]

Is any one interested in Galllanari , the nuggets are interested in trading him.

not exactly sure what they'd want for him...Think they'd do something mixed around Blatche for him?

[TGW]

Is any one interested in Galllanari , the nuggets are interested in trading him.

not exactly sure what they'd want for him...Think they'd do something mixed around Blatche for him?

I'd do that now. Blatche for Gallinari straight up. He's not a great player, but at least he gets to the line and he would fit in with Wall as that deep outside shooter.

[Ruzious]

Meh, the problem with G is that he does 1 thing well - shoot - but he's only shooting 41.5%, so... is he really helping you win? But give him credit for drawing more foul shots than I'd expect. He can't guard anyone and does nothing on the boards. After next season, ya gotta pay him to keep him, and somebody's going to over-pay for a shooter.