Trade possibilities.

[parson]

So, MIL fans are discussing Bogut trades and UTA fans are asking for offers for Deron Williams. And we're talking about shipping out Marvelous. Anybody else see anything wrong with this picture?

Why isn't killing himself in offering deals for BOTH players? Getting one of them would greatly improve our team. Getting both would make us contenders.

And why aren't WE working up deals, ourselves?
Bogut appears available to the team that will relieve MIL of 1 or 2 of Gooden/Maggette/Salmons.
DWilliams appears available for the best offer.

[Geaux_Hawks]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=5taq5pw


Milwaukee gets 2 unprotected picks from Atlanta,No need in protecting them bcuz with Bogut we will be ECF bound+, especially with T Mac at point and Jonas off the bench at 3 or 4...Ultimately one of the 3 you mention is gone, they nab two expirings, two 1st round picks,and a quality guy to still allow maggette to be moved at a cheaper price and younger.DET gets some experience in the front court.Not really much though

[evildallas]

Utah fans are concerned about losing Deron Williams for nothing. I'm not sure what Milwaukee's motivation is.

To be honest, the Hawks aren't talking about anything. Sund works quietly so even if we were making offers for those players it wouldn't be discussed publicly. The rumors of shopping Marvin have been around for awhile and they are probably true, but they could have easily arose from reporters and columnists realizing that he's the guy who could be dealt without creating a larger hole than what we get in return.

Point of honesty #2. We don't have the assets to get either player you mentioned and the blame for that lands primarily on Billy Knight. His bizarre quest to build an all 6'8-6'9 lineup ignored that PG and C are the hardest positions to fill and therefore the most valuable assets. The core of our team are swingmen and forwards. Now on top of that you have Sund's moves which are picks that haven't developed yet and overpaying to retain players. Joe has little trade value because unless he holds up physically he has a lot of dead money at the end of his deal. Josh Smith has value, but he plays one of the best manned positions in the league which means his trade value is less than his real value. For instance Utah has Jefferson and Millsap as PFs, so Josh wouldn't be that attractive. Jamal has a good sized expiring contract, but that's more attractive in landing a player with a bad contract. To get a stud you still have to include talent (which we are short of) and picks.

To trade for Bogut and Salmons (Brockman in for salary match because of Salmons BYC) it would likely cost Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford. Without an upgrade at PG that trade would leave the Hawks likely worse off. If you can combine it with a trade for Ramon Sessions (Teague/Evans/1st) then maybe you got something.

Sessions/Bibby
Johnson/Salmons/Jordan Crawford
Williams/Wilkens
Horford/Powell/Brockman
Bogut/Pachulia/Collins

Of course, I'm not sure Josh Smith and absorbing the bad contract of Salmons would get Bogut because C is that hard to fill.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4k9a36g

Also on the previous trade suggestion, what is Detroit's motivation to give up short deals for Drew Gooden's 5 year deal? There isn't any.

[FCNATL85]

ATL/ DEN Smith/ ATL 2nd / (Kwame Brown) for Nene
ATL/ CLE Session for Teague / Evans / ATL 1st
ATL / CHA Marvin/ Zaza / DEN 2nd for Wallace/ (Brown to DEN)

Session- Bibby-JC1
JJ- JC1- JC2
Wallace-Wilkins
Al-Powell
Nene- Collins- Thomas

much improved starting 5 with fire power off the bench with BIbby and JC1

[evildallas]

ATL/ DEN Smith/ ATL 2nd / (Kwame Brown) for Nene
ATL/ CLE Session for Teague / Evans / ATL 1st
ATL / CHA Marvin/ Zaza / DEN 2nd for Wallace/ (Brown to DEN)

Session- Bibby-JC1
JJ- JC1- JC2
Wallace-Wilkins
Al-Powell
Nene- Collins- Thomas

much improved starting 5 with fire power off the bench with BIbby and JC1

The only problem is it requires that Charlotte want Marvin and Zaza which I doubt. Marvin's deal is one year longer than Wallace and Zaza is as long as Wallace meaning that this move would cost the Bobcats an additional $14M. Not exactly the cost cutting they are rumored to be looking for.

[captaincrunk]

ATL/ DEN Smith/ ATL 2nd / (Kwame Brown) for Nene
ATL/ CLE Session for Teague / Evans / ATL 1st
ATL / CHA Marvin/ Zaza / DEN 2nd for Wallace/ (Brown to DEN)

Session- Bibby-JC1
JJ- JC1- JC2
Wallace-Wilkins
Al-Powell
Nene- Collins- Thomas

much improved starting 5 with fire power off the bench with BIbby and JC1

Charlotte would likely spit on the face of anyone who offered Zaza and Marvin for Wallace.

[parson]

Seems to me that our trade assets are Smoove, then Crawford's expiring (and possibly the boost he'd give any playoff team), then Mo Evans' expiring and then Marvelous and Teague and Jordan Crawford's potential. Zaza's not a trade asset; neither is Bibby or any of the rest of our bench. We also have picks, for what that's worth. Joe's contract means he can only go to a contender looking for the final piece (CHI, for example). Horford is our untouchable. He could be the best PF in the NBA.

Smoove is the key. His value is close to Bogut's and, with UTA facing almost a certain abandonment from Deron Williams in 2012, Smoove offers close value for his remaining 1 and 1/2 years.

What's inspiring this thread are the MIL and UTA boards, where they're asking for trades for Bogut and DWilliams. Fellers, what's being offered is less than Smoove. Sometimes, Crawford and Evans' expirings are better offerings than what else is out there. For Bogut, we're close if we take on at least one of Gooden/Maggette/Salmons. For DWilliams, it's not so close but we're still in better shape than any of the others.

This may be the time to act. I know we'd be gambling on DWilliams - and, for that matter, on Bogut's elbow. I know that, if we can get only one, that we'll deplete our assets and have little chance to fix other needs. For example, if we get Bogut, we might never be able to afford to find a true PG. I know that, if we trade Smoove for DWilliams, we'll be pitifully small up front, or pitifully untalented (with Collins).

But if we can acquire a top talent at either Center or PG, we have to do it.

[evildallas]

I honestly don't believe Josh could net either player you mention. Utah doesn't need another PF and has no incentive to trade Deron as he is a full year away from being able to force a trade and the new CBA could provide remedies to that. As for Bogut, the theory is he is available to get rid of bad contracts. Well even if that is the truth the ability and willingness to absorb the bad contracts would be a key. I countered back that we could absorb on deal and ship out Josh to make an offer, but I'm not sure the ASG would do that much. They already have 2 almost untradeable contracts (Johnson and Williams) in addition to a piece they don't want to move (Horford), so adding another hard to move contract to the pool may paralyze the team further for years.

[parson]

For the ASG to say they won't go over the LT for average-to-good players is one thing. For them to say they won't go over for the 2nd best Center in the East or for a superstar PG would be an admission that they have no chance of ever winning a championship.

As for Deron Williams, 2nd to Smoove, the best that has been offered for him (by RealGM fans) is Stephen Curry. The deal is doable. However, I agree that our best chance is in acquiring Bogut. I talked to many MIL fans who felt that Smoove/expirings for Bogut/Salmons or Gooden or Maggette looked good to them. Would we be so bad if our lineup were Bogut/Horford/Marvelous/Joe plus a scrub PG (with one of Gooden/Maggette/Salmons on the bench)? I think we could be a major player in the playoffs with that lineup - even if we never could find an elite PG. Thing is, with Bogut, we'd be very attractive to free agent PGs (hello, Chris Paul/DWilliams) the next year.

Let's face it, no matter how much we love our Hawks, if they couldn't make money with that team, we'd deserve to either be contracted or moved to another city.

[azuresou1]

I don't think we'll be able to get Deron for Smoove.

http://twitter.com/#!/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/40140747663618048

Everyone for Cavaliers available for draft picks, sources said. Also, Grizzlies shopping center Hasheem Thabeet, source said.

Mo Evans, Etan Thomas, 2011 ATL 1st for Ramon Sessions

[HoopsGuru25]

I'd put Teague in there as well.

[azuresou1]

I'd rather get Jason Thompson in a second trade for Teague.

[parson]

I'd rather get Jason Thompson in a second trade for Teague.

See, I think Sund was right to turn that deal down when SAC offered it. Thompson has had opportunities to prove himself and what he's proved is he is a career backup: he's too weak for Center and doesn't have enough game for PF. Teague hasn't had the chance. I still think he could turn into something good -- and if he makes it, he will be very interesting.

Short of it is, if we're going to trade Teague, we need either a decent starter or an interesting prospect, 'cuz that's what he still is.

[FCNATL85]

3 way with NO/ GS

Paul and Biedrins to ATL

Smith, Teague, Zaza, ATL 1st 12 to GS

Curry, Radmanovic (exp), Bibby (soon to expire), GS 2nd to NO

Paul- FA- JC1
JJ- JC1-JC2
Williams- Evans- Wilkins
Al- Powell
Biedrins- Collins- Thomas a much improved starting 5 with a solid core of JJ-CP3-Al