Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[fredericklove]

If Perry had a sweet shooting stroke, I'm sure everyone here will worship him like how we worship Irving.

[doudoub]

at the end of the day, colangelo decides who he's going to pick.

[Silk Wilkes]

If Perry had a sweet shooting stroke, I'm sure everyone here will worship him like how we worship Irving.

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?

[fredericklove]

If Perry had a sweet shooting stroke, I'm sure everyone here will worship him like how we worship Irving.

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?

Actually he was used like Lamar did in the early 5-6 games, he actually carried the "ball handling" job because the primary ball handler lacedouche Dunn wasn't playing in those games. Now Dunn and other guards demanded the "job" thus Perry rarely dribbles much now.

His handles aren't flashy but he can actually handle the ball well which reminds me of Hedo's handle, doesn't cross u over or goes behind the back or do in and out move but his dribble is good enough to find open shooters open men in 3 on 1 or 3 on 2 transition, he can go coast to coast and uses both his athleticism and dribbles to drive all the way to the bucket. And when he dribbles he uses his off-arm to shield the defenders from stealing the ball off him.

Defensively he has long arms to bother shooters but he's not fast enough to guard athletic SF and despite his long arm frame and height advantage he's still not strong enough to guard the NBA level forward. They can out muscle him easily.

[God Squad]

^^^ I still believe PJ3 has the tools to be a great player.

My draft board as of Feb 22.

1. Kyrie Irving
2. P Jones?
3. T Jones?
4. Jonas V

5. Wild Card - D Will

I'm no longer sold somewhat on Kemba.

[CunningLinguist]

Perry Jones is not a small forward, no matter how much you may want him to be one.[/quote]

Its not about what I want. Its if he can gaurd that postition in the NBA then he'll be a SF. On offense he plays like 3 now and strictly played there b4 Baylor. We'll know more at workouts.[/quote]

That's my point. He won't be able to guard small forwards at the NBA level (or college level for that matter). Plus, his handle is good for a power foward, but not for a small forward. I haven't seen him beat anyone smaller than him off the dribble at the college level.

[CunningLinguist]

Just when you thought no one could be worse than Ole! Calderon at stoping penetration , along comes Perry Jones the wing position. And if you mean on the offensive end, you'd be taking him away from all his strengths.

He's a power forward in a power forward's body.[/quote]

I not sold at all. In the modern day NBA the only Power Forward capable of leading a team to a title is Tim Duncan. Even KG needed Pierce and Allen to take the majority of the offensive load.[/quote]

What does that have to do with whether Perry Jones is a power forward or small forward?

[CunningLinguist]

If Perry had a sweet shooting stroke, I'm sure everyone here will worship him like how we worship Irving.

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?

So, earlier in this discussion, you stated that Perry Jones is a small foward when, in reality, you've never seen him play. Is that correct?

[Indeed]

I don't think Perry Jones is a good defender, but he can learn to play defense like Bargnani does.
My problem with him is, he is not tough and not a good rebounder, where you can't have Bargnani and Perry Jones together.
I haven't seen his passing game, but I am worried his offensive role will be similar to DeRozan as well.

So I would prefer Irving.
Like the ESPN mock draft, we are taking Irving instead of Perry Jones if we get the 1st.
If other pick 1st, then they take Perry Jones (except for the Nets, Kings and Pistons).
http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

[CunningLinguist]

I don't think Perry Jones is a good defender, but he can learn to play defense like Bargnani does.
My problem with him is, he is not tough and not a good rebounder, where you can't have Bargnani and Perry Jones together.
I haven't seen his passing game, but I am worried his offensive role will be similar to DeRozan as well.

So I would prefer Irving.
Like the ESPN mock draft, we are taking Irving instead of Perry Jones if we get the 1st.
If other pick 1st, then they take Perry Jones (except for the Nets, Kings and Pistons).
http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

He's got good passing skills. Down the road, I envision him as a better handling, better passing Chris Bosh - a face-up 4 with the ability to get to the hoop with a quick first step.

[Silk Wilkes]

If Perry had a sweet shooting stroke, I'm sure everyone here will worship him like how we worship Irving.

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?

So, earlier in this discussion, you stated that Perry Jones is a small foward when, in reality, you've never seen him play. Is that correct?

If you could read, you'd know that I said:

I still don't know. If I'm drafting Perry Jones it's to be a match-up nightmare at small forward as opposed to a Bosh type of Power Forward.

As for me never having seen him play; I have no idea where you got that idea. I've seen him play a couple times, but I am no where near able to provide anything credible when it comes to a scouting report on him. See why I was asking about him, not telling? Reading, the lost art.

[Silk Wilkes]

I don't think Perry Jones is a good defender, but he can learn to play defense like Bargnani does.
My problem with him is, he is not tough and not a good rebounder, where you can't have Bargnani and Perry Jones together.
I haven't seen his passing game, but I am worried his offensive role will be similar to DeRozan as well.

So I would prefer Irving.
Like the ESPN mock draft, we are taking Irving instead of Perry Jones if we get the 1st.
If other pick 1st, then they take Perry Jones (except for the Nets, Kings and Pistons).
http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

He's got good passing skills. Down the road, I envision him as a better handling, better passing Chris Bosh - a face-up 4 with the ability to get to the hoop with a quick first step.

Seems like Lamar Odom without the superior rebounding.

[CunningLinguist]

If you could read, you'd know that I said:

I still don't know. If I'm drafting Perry Jones it's to be a match-up nightmare at small forward as opposed to a Bosh type of Power Forward.

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?



As for me never having seen him play; I have no idea where you got that idea. I've seen him play a couple times, but I am no where near able to provide anything credible when it comes to a scouting report on him. See why I was asking about him, not telling? Reading, the lost art.[/quote]

There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills. Where did I get the idea that you've never seen him play? From your own post:

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?[/

[Silk Wilkes]

There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills. Where did I get the idea that you've never seen him play? From your own post:

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?

Ok, your quoting skills and reading comprehension fails. I got the idea from previous posts in this thread. It seems like no one really knows for sure what Perry Jones will be when he comes to the NBA so I asked if he could be like Odom. Simple...for most...

[fredericklove]

Harrison Barnes' UNC mix

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Check out hoopshype draft!

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[CunningLinguist]

There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills. Where did I get the idea that you've never seen him play? From your own post:

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?

Ok, your quoting skills and reading comprehension fails. I got the idea from previous posts in this thread. It seems like no one really knows for sure what Perry Jones will be when he comes to the NBA so I asked if he could be like Odom. Simple...for most...

One would normally think that when someone says "for those that have seen him play", that would infer that the person hasn't seen them play, or else they wouldn't have to ask the question, as they would have a basis to form their own opinion.

In answer to your question, having seen him play at least 15 times, I think he is mostly a face up 4 in the NBA. He could maybe play spot minutes at the 3, but I don't think he can defend the position to due his high centre of gravity affecting his lateral quicks. Though his handle is good for a 4, its mediocre for a 3. He hasn't shown the ability at the college level to take smaller players off the dribble.

[fredericklove]

There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills. Where did I get the idea that you've never seen him play? From your own post:

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?

Ok, your quoting skills and reading comprehension fails. I got the idea from previous posts in this thread. It seems like no one really knows for sure what Perry Jones will be when he comes to the NBA so I asked if he could be like Odom. Simple...for most...

One would normally think that when someone says "for those that have seen him play", that would infer that the person hasn't seen them play, or else they wouldn't have to ask the question, as they would have a basis to form their own opinion.

In answer to your question, having seen him play at least 15 times, I think he is mostly a face up 4 in the NBA. He could maybe play spot minutes at the 3, but I don't think he can defend the position to due his high centre of gravity affecting his lateral quicks. Though his handle is good for a 4, its mediocre for a 3. He hasn't shown the ability at the college level to take smaller players off the dribble.

If we draft him I think we're going to use him wrong. We have two ball demanding dudes in bargs and Deboo. Not saying he needs the ball in his hand to be productive, he can play off ball effectively but if he doesn't get much touch that would be a waste of his talent.

If he's not capable of playing the 3 we will still going to force him to play the 3 since Barg and Ed/Amir are at 5 and 4. Not only have he not taken players off the dribble he rarely takes a 3 pointer attempt, that won't benefit us or help us spread the floor. I don't see a good Perry/Derozan combo there. Our lineup already is extremely weak at the rebounding department thus the worst part of Perry's game is he doesn't crash the board enough.

I'd seriously rather have the other Jones. His game suits our system and lineup more.

[CunningLinguist]

If we draft him I think we're going to use him wrong. We have two ball demanding dudes in bargs and Deboo. Not saying he needs the ball in his hand to be productive, he can play off ball effectively but if he doesn't get much touch that would be a waste of his talent.

If he's not capable of playing the 3 we will still going to force him to play the 3 since Barg and Ed/Amir are at 5 and 4. Not only have he not taken players off the dribble he rarely takes a 3 pointer attempt, that won't benefit us or help us spread the floor. I don't see a good Perry/Derozan combo there. Our lineup already is extremely weak at the rebounding department thus the worst part of Perry's game is he doesn't crash the board enough.

I'd seriously rather have the other Jones. His game suits our system and lineup more.[/quote]

Preaching to the choir here. I love Terrence Jones for the Raps. He gives us the rebounding, shotblocking and defense that Bargs is deficient in and the ball handling and passing that Derozan is lacking.

[Silk Wilkes]

There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills. Where did I get the idea that you've never seen him play? From your own post:

That can be developed. How's his handle though? I also see a lot of guys saying he would suck as a small forward defensively. However, what happens if you use him like Lamar Odom. From those who have seen him play; is that possible?

Ok, your quoting skills and reading comprehension fails. I got the idea from previous posts in this thread. It seems like no one really knows for sure what Perry Jones will be when he comes to the NBA so I asked if he could be like Odom. Simple...for most...

One would normally think that when someone says "for those that have seen him play", that would infer that the person hasn't seen them play, or else they wouldn't have to ask the question, as they would have a basis to form their own opinion.

In answer to your question, having seen him play at least 15 times, I think he is mostly a face up 4 in the NBA. He could maybe play spot minutes at the 3, but I don't think he can defend the position to due his high centre of gravity affecting his lateral quicks. Though his handle is good for a 4, its mediocre for a 3. He hasn't shown the ability at the college level to take smaller players off the dribble.

Yea, because asking people who haven't seen him play is a smarter option.

Anyways, thanks for the insight on the second half of the comment.

[Kaizen]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?nam ... id=6147962

With just two more weeks left in the college basketball regular season, our Top 100 is beginning to firm up. There is some slight jockeying here and there, but we're coming to the point where we can start to sum up the draft prospects' regular season.

Nevertheless, there's still time to move up the Big Board, and a few prospects have made major strides this week.

Here's a look at who scouts are buzzing about this week:

THE GOOD

Derrick Williams, F, Arizona Wildcats
Top 100 Rank: No. 4
Williams has had one of the biggest jumps of anyone on our draft board this season. He came into the regular season ranked No. 26 on our Big Board but in late December had cracked the lottery, and a month ago we moved him into our Top 10. On Sunday we moved him all the way to No. 4. That's a huge leap for a guy who many scouts felt lacked the elite athleticism or size at his position to be a lottery pick.

How has Williams made the jump? First, he has been the most efficient player in college basketball this season, according to John Hollinger's PER. Second, he's shown scouts that he's a better athlete than they thought he was and has dramatically improved his face-the-basket game.

Williams' stellar performance against Washington on Saturday (26 points, 11 boards, two steals, two blocks) in front of a number of NBA scouts was the icing on the cake. While Williams wasn't perfect (he had seven turnovers), he hit big shots down the stretch and ended the game with a vicious, game-sealing block of Darnell Gant.

Williams may still be a bit of a tweener, and no one is calling him a potential superstar, but given the lack of a clear No. 1 pick in this year's draft, he has entered the conversation as the top pick alongside Perry Jones, Kyrie Irving, Jared Sullinger and Enes Kanter.

THE SLEEPER

Andrew Nicholson, PF, St. Bonaventure Bonnies
Top 100 Rank: No. 53
Last week I was talking with a number of NBA scouts about players we've had ranked outside the Top 60 all year, and one intriguing discrepancy kept popping up in many conversations.

A number of scouts have Nicholson ranked much higher than we had him on our Big Board. Nicholson is having a terrific season at St. Bonaventure. He's averaging 20 points and shooting 55 percent from the field.

Nicholson has the length and athleticism to play in the league. If he gets the ball around the rim, he tries to dunk everything. But for the past year scouts have worried that he's too laid back and an indifferent rebounder and defender. Those concerns still linger, but his growing maturity on the court has caught the eyes of a number of scouts.

"He's got a ton of potential," one scout said. "If he had more of an edge to him, he'd be a surefire lottery pick. But he's growing as a player and I think of all the guys we talk about, he could be a real first-round sleeper. He's still learning the game and he's getting better every year. That's what you want to see in big men."