Woj: HOU still wants Asik for Lee, CHI determined to add SG

[logical_art]

Sure, but you could say the same for the Rockets.

Lee for a first is fair value and Lee for Asik is as well. Asik for a first is fair value and Asik for Lee is as well. Both of these guys are rotational players, around the same age and producing well in their respective positions, which happens to be a strength for their teams.

I'm still neutral on it. If we don't make it, that's fine. If we do make it, that's fine. I just don't see Houston as being annoying here, when they're asking for a pretty fair and logical trade based on need and value.

One is a SG who has had nearly three years to develop his game. He's pretty much what we're going to get.

Asik is a center, the scarcest and most valuable position, and has had less than one season to develop his game.

The Bulls would be crazy to trade Asik for Lee.

[barn34]

we come with an offer of one of our 1sts for lee, obviously they come back asking for asik to be included. the deadline is still a day away...it's called posturing.

if no progress is made on either side, we'll come back and offer 2 1sts tomorrow....if HOU still insists on asik...you basically hang up the phone and make them watch the clock and the phone for a call back and wait for them to call you back. i really don't think they'd turn down 2 1sts for courtney freaking lee who can't even crack significant PT for them. like many have said, you can find courtney lee level talents in the late 1st round nearly every year and you don't give up big for small if the player value is even regardless of need/fit. or, at the very least, use both those picks to move up in the draft to get a courtney lee level player. we're in the drivers seat and if HOU is too stubborn to conceed that they are over valuing lee, then we continue to work our other options of mayo, afflalo, casspi, and our last resort back up plan of parker (which i'm confident will be there regardless of when we pick the phone up to call cleveland).

[Cliff Levingston]

Agree, Magilla's post was hilarious.

I feel confident that we didn't just trade JJ for a 1st in order to hoard the pick. Two 1st rounders (Miami's and our 2011) and significant luxury tax savings should be ample for a bench player who's buried behind their best starter. I agree about not giving up Asik, for the same reasons that many people have already stated. I'd rather get Parker for a cheap rental than overpay for Lee. Then we can sign a decent SG in the offseason.

If Thibodeau is that high on Lee though (as rumored) and the FO has faith in the Thibs (which they seem to) then it's not inconceivable that they've offered the Charlotte pick for Lee, which gives Houston that potentially high pick and some immediate savings.

Then, we'd have two late 1sts with which to fill out the roster a bit.

[KingoftheCastle]

1) I'd be pissed off if we offered the Bobcat pick for Lee

2) Houston is out of their mind if they turn down that offer.

[Cliff Levingston]

Agree, Magilla's post was hilarious.

I feel confident that we didn't just trade JJ for a 1st in order to hoard the pick. Two 1st rounders (Miami's and our 2011) and significant luxury tax savings should be ample for a bench player who's buried behind their best starter. I agree about not giving up Asik, for the same reasons that many people have already stated. I'd rather get Parker for a cheap rental than overpay for Lee. Then we can sign a decent SG in the offseason.

If Thibodeau is that high on Lee though (as rumored) and the FO has faith in the Thibs (which they seem to) then it's not inconceivable that they've offered the Charlotte pick for Lee, which gives Houston that potentially high pick and some immediate savings.

Then, we'd have two late 1sts with which to fill out the roster a bit.

To expand on that: At this point, that Miami 1st is more valuable to the Bulls than James Johnson is. It's possible they plan on using those late picks on some bench players if they're not included in a deal. We could use those picks on a potential back up point guard and maybe a sharp shooting 2 to eventually replace Korver.

[Red Larrivee]

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Courtney%20Lee

asiks potential is >>>>> those shooting %'s and volume.

for shooter we need, the 53.3% ts% he has is poor on the volume he shoots. we need more than 1.9 3pa a game from the sg....asik for lee has a good chance of making the team worse. the instant it happens.

Huh? Lee plays 18mpg. Per 36 he shoots 3.6 threes per game. He's shooting 43% from three.

I agree, Asik has more potential than Lee and I'm not arguing that we should do the trade. I'm just saying the value isn't as bewildering as some are making it out to be. If the deal went through it would not make the team worse.

[Ctownbulls]

So wait a minute... If I'm reading this correctly, it says we are offering a first round pick.. Don't tell me we are refusing to give up the one we just picked up as well? If the Bulls think they can just get Lee with one first round pick they're dreaming. Give them multiple firsts because we won't need them for the next 2 years and if they really really won't do the deal without Asik, just give him to them. I want a SG so bad right now. I have to trust in the FO seeing as how they have pulled off some great deals in the past at the trade deadline. I'm confident we will get something done.

Uh, Lee is averaging 7 ppg. Its not like he would be a lottery pick if he was in the draft again. Why should he be worth 2 first round draft picks? That is drastically overpaying. We are in no hurry. We are 22 games over .500 with the current team we have and have an extremely young nucleus. No need to panic and trade 2 first rounders for a guy who can't seem to stick anywhere, I don't think that is a coincidence.

[Red Larrivee]

One is a SG who has had nearly three years to develop his game. He's pretty much what we're going to get.

Why is that a bad thing? He's a good roleplayer and fits what we need in nearly every category. He was a starter on a team that made the finals already.

[Cliff Levingston]

1) I'd be pissed off if we offered the Bobcat pick for Lee

2) Houston is out of their mind if they turn down that offer.

Why would you be pissed? Granted it's probably more value than Lee has, but at the same time, it's just an asset for us now that likely won't pay out until 2013 at the earliest. If the Bulls have a player they like a lot that they can get in exchange for the pick right now, as a team competing for a title, they might as well do it.

[alucryts]

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Courtney%20Lee

asiks potential is >>>>> those shooting %'s and volume.

for shooter we need, the 53.3% ts% he has is poor on the volume he shoots. we need more than 1.9 3pa a game from the sg....asik for lee has a good chance of making the team worse. the instant it happens.

Huh? Lee plays 18mpg. Per 36 he shoots 3.6 threes per game. He's shooting 43% from three.

I agree, Asik has more potential than Lee and I'm not arguing that we should do the trade. I'm just saying the value isn't as bewildering as some are making it out to be. If the deal went through it would not make the team worse.

if you add attempts....% drops. i mean that isnt a 100% strict rule but its a large majority.

[BullsCroatia]

trading taj or asik will hurt in the long run

Not really. Only if the ''long run'' is the period of time untill the end of this season.

[kyrv]

1) I'd be pissed off if we offered the Bobcat pick for Lee

2) Houston is out of their mind if they turn down that offer.

Why would you be pissed? Granted it's probably more value than Lee has, but at the same time, it's just an asset for us now that likely won't pay out until 2013 at the earliest. If the Bulls have a player they like a lot that they can get in exchange for the pick right now, as a team competing for a title, they might as well do it.

Well I would have traded Tyrus for Lee.

Also JJ and our #1 this year for Lee.

So, I'm good with it. Sounds like Houston wants player(s) though.

[KingoftheCastle]

Here is the thing that people are not getting. Lee is worth about a late first rounder that I agree with. The thing is, what is Houston's motivation to trade him? Yeah he isn't playing starters minutes, but he provided some decent production off the bench. And Houston has him cheap for another season. So what is your drastic motivation to move him? Next year, when his contract is up that's a different story.

So if you are the Bulls, and you have already tipped your hand, they know how much you like Lee, you are going to have to overrpay, like 2 1st rounders.

[alucryts]

So wait a minute... If I'm reading this correctly, it says we are offering a first round pick.. Don't tell me we are refusing to give up the one we just picked up as well? If the Bulls think they can just get Lee with one first round pick they're dreaming. Give them multiple firsts because we won't need them for the next 2 years and if they really really won't do the deal without Asik, just give him to them. I want a SG so bad right now. I have to trust in the FO seeing as how they have pulled off some great deals in the past at the trade deadline. I'm confident we will get something done.

Uh, Lee is averaging 7 ppg. Its not like he would be a lottery pick if he was in the draft again. Why should he be worth 2 first round draft picks? That is drastically overpaying. We are in no hurry. We are 22 games over .500 with the current team we have and have an extremely young nucleus. No need to panic and trade 2 first rounders for a guy who can't seem to stick anywhere, I don't think that is a coincidence.

ya this. lee is not THAT good of a player. he is a first round pick trade value...DEFINITELY not a 7 foot center with loads of potential. theres a reason asik has been called hot commodity.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

One is a SG who has had nearly three years to develop his game. He's pretty much what we're going to get.

Why is that a bad thing? He's a good roleplayer and fits what we need in nearly every category. He was a starter on a team that made the finals already.

You know who else started for that Orlando team? Keith Bogans.

[Red Larrivee]

if you add attempts....% drops. i mean that isnt a 100% strict rule but its a large majority.

So more volume drops his percentage to around 37-39%. Yeah, how awful.

[BullsCroatia]

All I know for sure is that we've done pretty well with the Bogans/Brewer/Korver tandem, and that's even without our star Center for most of the time. On top of that, Bogans' 3pt % has been going up. I'm not saying I don't want the Bulls to make a trade, I'm just saying we don't have to give up Taj or Asik to do so. I mean, if we don't have Taj, who is your true backup PF? Big Sexy? And if we give up Asik, we do have Big Sexy, but for how long? Makes no sense to me. It will be easier to find a good SG this offseason than find a talented 7 footer - I know that much.

That's why you trade Taj and not Asik.

Please name me that good SG available in the summer.

[Cliff Levingston]

trading taj or asik will hurt in the long run

Not really. Only if the ''long run'' is the period of time untill the end of this season.

Yea, it will hurt in the long-run. Boozer is only going to get older and we know he's an injury hazard, so having Taj to back him up is valuable. Asik isn't getting many minutes this year but he'll be the prime big man off the bench next year provided he keeps developing. Considering that our main rival's (Miami) prime weakness is the front court, Cliff Levingston sees the FO wanting to stay loaded with quality big men.

[KingoftheCastle]

1) I'd be pissed off if we offered the Bobcat pick for Lee

2) Houston is out of their mind if they turn down that offer.

Why would you be pissed? Granted it's probably more value than Lee has, but at the same time, it's just an asset for us now that likely won't pay out until 2013 at the earliest. If the Bulls have a player they like a lot that they can get in exchange for the pick right now, as a team competing for a title, they might as well do it.

I'd rather overpay by giving up 2 1sts for Lee. That Bobcat pick has decent potential to be a lottery pick. That could be our replacement for Boozer down the road. Would you give up a lottery pick for Lee? Hell no.

[alucryts]

trading taj or asik will hurt in the long run

Not really. Only if the ''long run'' is the period of time untill the end of this season.

you trade asik for lee. your starting front court is:

boozer/taj
noah/no one

you will kill your huge front court advantage for a mediocre role player