Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[Rafael122]

I wouldn't want any part of Mike Bibby. Our goal should be to trim payroll, cut the fat. Getting Bibby back kinda sucks b/c he's old, short, and slow, but if we get Jordan Crawford and a pick out of it, I wouldn't mind doing it.

It's all about assets, stock pile picks. So what if the pick is in the 20s, it's still viewed as an asset. Who knows, we might find a gem. We could package that pick and get a player or something. Lots of things can happen.

[Dat2U]

I wouldn't mind stocking up on 2012 1st rounders. Hinrich for Bibby & Atlanta's 2012 1st rounder would work for me. I'd prefer it more than a 2011 pick. I could see Atlanta going over the cliff in another year, especially if Johnson starts to really show wear & tear.

[Rafael122]

With this latest trade, I'm at the point where I think the Wizards need to blow this up. We're not going to go anywhere, penny pinching and stock piling picks. Gauge the interest for McGee and go from there. Even if we win 45 games, we'd probably miss the playoffs.

[LyricalRico]

With this latest trade, I'm at the point where I think the Wizards need to blow this up. We're not going to go anywhere, penny pinching and stock piling picks. Gauge the interest for McGee and go from there. Even if we win 45 games, we'd probably miss the playoffs.

No need to panic IMO. Nobody was going to be afraid of the Nets if they got Melo, so why the worry over them getting Deron? They still have an overrated center and not much anywhere else. And he could still leave after next season.

I'm still digesting everything, but so far I don't see anything that has happened in the last 48 hours that changes how I feel about Ted's approach.

[LyricalRico]

Okay, a 4-way based on what has happened so far:

Wizards trade: Blatche, Hinrich, and Armstrong
Wizards receive: Al Jefferson and Jose Barea

Nets trade: Vujacic
Nets receive: Blatche

Mavs trade: Haywood and Barea
Mavs receive: Hinrich and Armstrong

Jazz trade: Jefferson
Jazz receive: Haywood and Vujacic

TRADE ID 5862508

Utah cuts salary and gets a better defending, role playing center to rotate with Milsap and Favors. Dallas struck out on Harris, but acquires Hinrich for less. New Jersey replaces Favors with another young PF. The Wizards add a low post scorer.

McGee/Seraphin
Jefferson/Booker
Lewis/Thornton
Young/Martin
Wall/Barea

Jefferson has his flaws, but we don't give up much to get him and I think that it averages out to be a net positive when you consider his low post game and Hinrich being removed from the backcourt picture.

Follow that up with Howard for Daniels+pick and I'd call that a successful trade deadline.

[GilArenas88]

You guys seem like you just want a trade to give you something to talk about at this point. I believe we should be active the next day or so, but we shouldn't be doing any team favors or just making a trade for the sake of it. At this point I'd say we should be buyers in this market, but smart buyers as well. Go after draft picks, young talent, expiring contracts.

A Bibby for Hinrich straight up deal would be horrible for us, I don't care if we save an additional 2 million next season, that to me is a god awful move. Hinrich is a solid player (Bibby sucks and he has sucked for years now), Hinrich is our most valuable trading chip (this year and next), and it's not even like Bibby is expiring, he still has another year left.

If I'm the Wizards, this is how I would go about looking at our roster...

Untouchable: Wall

Almost untouchable: Young

Only if a fantastic deal comes along: McGee, Seraphin, Booker

Definitely would be open to reasonable offers, but again not for a lateral move: Blatche

More than willing to trade, but I doubt there are any takers: Yi

Probably wouldn't even be worth trading, but if right deal came along: Howard, Shakur

Players that could be used as fillers, again doubtful anyone would want: Armstrong, Martin

Who the hell is going to trade for that contract, but crazier stuff can happen: Lewis

Our most valuable commodity (in terms of trading), don't trade unless it's in our favor, worst comes to worst, we still have a player who can contribute: Hinrich

[GilArenas88]

LyricoRico that's a pretty damn good trade for us. Al gives us a low post threat and a double digit rebounder and Barea gives us a nice change of pace guard who can score.

[nuposse04]

Okay, a 4-way based on what has happened so far:

Wizards trade: Blatche, Hinrich, and Armstrong
Wizards receive: Al Jefferson and Jose Barea

Nets trade: Vujacic
Nets receive: Blatche

Mavs trade: Haywood and Barea
Mavs receive: Hinrich and Armstrong

Jazz trade: Jefferson
Jazz receive: Haywood and Vujacic

TRADE ID 5862508

Utah cuts salary and gets a better defending, role playing center to rotate with Milsap and Favors. Dallas struck out on Harris, but acquires Hinrich for less. New Jersey replaces Favors with another young PF. The Wizards add a low post scorer.

McGee/Seraphin
Jefferson/Booker
Lewis/Thornton
Young/Martin
Wall/Barea

Jefferson has his flaws, but we don't give up much to get him and I think that it averages out to be a net positive when you consider his low post game and Hinrich being removed from the backcourt picture.

Follow that up with Howard for Daniels+pick and I'd call that a successful trade deadline.

I'd do it in a heartbeat but why would utah?

[Dat2U]

You guys seem like you just want a trade to give you something to talk about at this point. I believe we should be active the next day or so, but we shouldn't be doing any team favors or just making a trade for the sake of it. At this point I'd say we should be buyers in this market, but smart buyers as well. Go after draft picks, young talent, expiring contracts.

A Bibby for Hinrich straight up deal would be horrible for us, I don't care if we save an additional 2 million next season, that to me is a god awful move. Hinrich is a solid player (Bibby sucks and he has sucked for years now), Hinrich is our most valuable trading chip (this year and next), and it's not even like Bibby is expiring, he still has another year left.

If I'm the Wizards, this is how I would go about looking at our roster...

Untouchable: Wall

Almost untouchable: Young

Only if a fantastic deal comes along: McGee, Seraphin, Booker

Definitely would be open to reasonable offers, but again not for a lateral move: Blatche

More than willing to trade, but I doubt there are any takers: Yi

Probably wouldn't even be worth trading, but if right deal came along: Howard, Shakur

Players that could be used as fillers, again doubtful anyone would want: Armstrong, Martin

Who the hell is going to trade for that contract, but crazier stuff can happen: Lewis

Our most valuable commodity (in terms of trading), don't trade unless it's in our favor, worst comes to worst, we still have a player who can contribute: Hinrich

I think your overrating our young "talent"

I'd say its more like this:

Untouchable: Wall

Willing to trade for the right price: Everyone else

The only other guy I'd even hesitate about trading is McGee and considering his b-ball IQ, maybe I shouldn't even hesitate.

Young is not someone I'd be looking to tie up long term money in. Blatche just needs to go. Seraphin has shown he can be a brute but he's so raw I'm not sure he's worth developing. Booker looks like a reserve with limited upside.

Hinrich's leadership is about equal to Jamison's leadership IMO. He doesn't help us win games and I don't think he's got a ton of value either. If we can get a 1st round pick for him. No matter what it is, we should do it.

[Rafael122]

I agree with Dat. Wall is untouchable, everyone else can be had for the right price. We need to model our team like the rest of the East is doing, have 2 legit superstars and then surround them with some talent. We've got Wall and then what?

We shouldn't make a trade to make a trade, but it doesn't hurt to gauge interest in our players. Nick Young is not someone I'd want to give $5 million a year to.

[GilArenas88]

I don't think I'm overrating our young talent, I really only said Wall was untouchable and Young was the second closest thing. My reasoning behind Wall is obvious. As for Young, IMO he'll be a perfect complement next to Wall for years to come. A shooting guard that will give you 18-22 points a nights on 45/38/80, play solid defense and continue to develop his BB IQ. To boot Young is still only 25, what would be the point of drafting another SG just to go through the same process? Is there any stud SGs out there in the draft, and if there is, what are the chances we draft him? If Young can be signed to a decent contract I really don't understand your reasoning along with others on this board, with not wanting to give money to Nick. Yes giving money to any player in a contract year is a risk, but I don't see how Young's progression is anything more than a young players development, not having to play behind Arenas and being able to play through bad stretches.

As for McGee, unless something great comes along, I'd say no as well. He's still very young, it's just that this board has the patience of a five year-old. McGee has some skills that few players posses and with the right development, he could harness them to be a deadly asset to this team. Does he have a lot to still learn? Of course, no one would deny that. I just don't see why so many want to get rid of him from what I see as impatience with his mistakes and for a general shakeup of the roster. I think so many followers on this board are so scared to be embarrassed by another Kwame Brown type situation with any of our big men that they'll think of anything to avoid it. We are a young team that our owner said he plans to build through the draft and development, what's the point of throwing away young, raw players unless where going to do a 180 and go after big free agents and automatically create a veteran team? Trade McGee for other draft picks so we can go through a whole new process from scratch, just to hear new bitching and moaning about another young big? Let me ask what is McGee worth to some of you, what would you trade him for, better yet who?

You said your not sure if it's worth developing young talent like Seraphin, Booker, etc. What the hell are we even doing with this team in that case? Do you expect for us to get the first pick in the draft every year? If a players not ready when I think he should be lets dump him? I just don't understand some of the rationale on this board. Hell some of you are talking about trading Wall after a bad game. I've seen when young players on this team have good game the only reason posters are happy because it ups his trade value, what is up with that? I'm as open as the next guy to improving this team through the best ways we possibly can, but it seems to me that many of you want to improve this team through the process of Russian rollete. I know it's hard in our day of time, but would it the unthinkable to take a seat and have a ounce of patients.

[GilArenas88]

Who is "everyone in the East"? Other than Miami and New York, who has done that? New York hasn't even played a game with their new roster and Miami still can't beat the top contenders and has proven zero in the playoffs. What you want to say Boston? I guess will just have to wait for a former Wizard to become a GM (McHale) gift rap us one of the best PF (KG) of all time, have a HOF caliber SF suffer for ten years (Pierce) before he has a contenting team, and have a team (Seattle) wanting to clear cap space and rebuild, trade us the best three point shooter of all time? Well at least we have Wall as our Rondo. Other than that all other teams are in our position in the East and in the West, save maybe L.A.L. and S.A., two of the oldest teams in the league, and possibly OKC, who are still developing and still need pieces.

[LyricalRico]

Actually, the only team that scares me longterm is Miami. Everyone else could be out of it by 2012.

- Orlando has been mediocre of late, is strapped with several longterm deals, and could lose Dwight Howard in 2012.

- Boston is getting older every day and Rondo is their only young guy with big time talent. When they crash, they will crash hard (and that could be in 2012).

- New Jersey picked up a stud PG but has little around him and he is reportedly already upset with the deal. He can leave in...you guessed it...2012.

- New York has a Big Three for now, but Billups' deal is up in 2012 and they just shipped out the majority of their young talent. And depending on what the new cap looks like, Amare and Melo making $20M each may not give them much wiggle room to add talent.

- Atlanta? Puh-leeze.

So essentially I'm operating under the assumption that the Mayans weren't talking about the end of the world in 2012, but were instead talking about the end of the Eastern Conference. Yeah - I'm not worried.

[Ruzious]

Good recap, Rico. The Melo and Deron trades do NOT signal major power shifts, and the East is up for grabs after 2012 - after Miami and whichever team has Dwight Howard. Even Miami is somewhat vulnerable if Wade or Lebron get injured at the wrong time - and Wade has had injury issues in his career.

Edit - btw, the article in the Wiretap says Deron is very unhappy with the trade. That's not exactly a sign that he's going to want to extend with NJ (which I unnerstand he can't even do till after the season). I think NJ took a bad risk.

[Rafael122]

Boston has 3 players under contract for 2012. They could just as easily reload. All I'm saying, we're watching teams in the East get better and depeer while we have our plan of building through the draft and developing talent. That's fine and all, but you also need to make schrewd moves, and I think the management we have in place can't do that. It's not like these guys are over the hill either, Melo and Anthony are what...25-26 years old? Prime years. They're gonna be dominant for awhile.

[Ruzious]

Boston has 3 players under contract for 2012. They could just as easily reload. All I'm saying, we're watching teams in the East get better and depeer while we have our plan of building through the draft and developing talent. That's fine and all, but you also need to make schrewd moves, and I think the management we have in place can't do that. It's not like these guys are over the hill either, Melo and Anthony are what...25-26 years old? Prime years. They're gonna be dominant for awhile.

Amare's older than that, but that's not really the point. They're both outstanding scorers, but I don't think they complement each other particularly well - nowhere near as well as Wade and Lebron, not even mentioning Bosh. If they can get Paul (or Deron Williams ), that would change things, but with more restrictions likely with the new CBA, I wouldn't rate their chances of doing that very high.

[Rafael122]

I wish there wasn't a lockout or whatever and we knew what lied ahead because the uncertainty is driving me nuts.

[Ruzious]

Fyi, I've got Bibby on my fantasy team, so I clicked on his profile in Yahoo, and saw

G Mike Bibby's play lately has the Hawks shopping for a new point guard. Rumors that they have targeted Wizards veteran Kirk Hinrich as a possible candidate to replace Bibby say as much about how unhappy they have been with Bibby's play of late as it does the immediate future of Jeff Teague. Neither Bibby nor Teague has been able to give the Hawks the boost they so desperately need at the position. And during a critical stretch like the one they've encountered, a floor general is an absolute must.

[Illuminaire]

Dominant individual play does not equal a dominant team. Also, Melo = Anthony.

Lastly, I'm not sure how Boston can effectively "reload." Barring unpredictable lopsided trades, you have to give up something to get something. All of Boston's (non-Rondo) stars have a ton of mileage on them, so it's hard to envision them having a ton of trade value. The rest of their roster is comprised of role players, none of which has a ton of value. Sure, they can start shipping expirings out... but there are many teams that can do that every year. That doesn't generate much trade leverage. So how exactly are they going to keep their team talent level high once KG/Allen/Pierce lose another step or three?

[FAH1223]

I like how the Bulls are not even talked about in terms of contending for the next few years.. I think they will be the class of the East since Miami ain't getting a young PG or C anytime soon

If there is a model for us to follow, it is Chicago