Woj: HOU still wants Asik for Lee, CHI determined to add SG

[imagge]

Omer still has not checked in for the Bulls

[kingmalaki]

I don't think a deal between our teams is possible. I don't know much about Asiik but I can understand not wanting to trade a young big for an average to above average SG (personally I think Lee is slightly above average but a great fit for what you guys need). I'm also pretty sure that the Rockets wouldn't trade Lee for those two near 2nd round picks (yours and Miami's), because the odds of finding a player as good as Lee at those draft spots is quite slim.

So I don't see anything going down. Just a case of two teams not being able to meet each others needs.

[theanimal23]

I don't think a deal between our teams is possible. I don't know much about Asiik but I can understand not wanting to trade a young big for an average to above average SG (personally I think Lee is slightly above average but a great fit for what you guys need). I'm also pretty sure that the Rockets wouldn't trade Lee for those two near 2nd round picks (yours and Miami's), because the odds of finding a player as good as Lee at those draft spots is quite slim.

So I don't see anything going down. Just a case of two teams not being able to meet each others needs.

Maybe not in this draft but IIRC Lee was 22nd pick overall

[barn34]

i can understand the late 1st rounders this year not being too appealing, but if we throw the CHA pick out there, that could be what gets this done. that pick isn't until next year, at the earliest, and then it'll be somewhere around pick 15. protection drops off each year, too.

[Payt10]

i can understand the late 1st rounders this year not being too appealing, but if we throw the CHA pick out there, that could be what gets this done. that pick isn't until next year, at the earliest, and then it'll be somewhere around pick 15. protection drops off each year, too.

- I would be shocked if the Rockets would turn that pick down
- I would be shocked if the Bulls offered that pick

That said, I'd be more than willing to give them our first plus the Miami first we picked up for Lee. 2 firsts is fair value for a guy that comes off the bench for the Rockets. If they were to decline that then so be it. Hope for Mayo.

[kyrv]

Omer still has not checked in for the Bulls

He's the 5th big, 6th if Deng plays some PF.

[kingmalaki]

Ok, I just read through the rest of the thread. Again, I don't know jack about Asik so I'm only commenting on this from our side.

Some of you are severly discounting Courtney Lee. He isn't a stud, but he really isn't bad at anything. He is athletic, can shoot, can pass, and most importantly with your coach....can defend. Most late round picks are specialists and can do one thing well, but suck at other things. Lee is good all around and is still young (not saying he will get a lot better but it means you can plug him in for a while). So everyone saying 2 late first round picks is fair value for him....sorry but it really isn't. Especially not in this draft. I would be shocked if a player as good as Lee will be available at the 26th or 28th spots in this draft, especially one who can be as good as Lee immediately.

The Charlotte pick is better value but you guys seem to be overvaluing that pick. I'm not saying it isn't fair value for Lee, but that pick may not come until 3-4 years from now. Getting that pick alone doesn't really help the Rockets right now, so why would we give up a quality young SG for that?

If the Rockets are going to try to sneak into the playoffs now then we need size. If we are going to blow it up and rebuild then we need high picks right now, not near 2nd rounders or picks that may not come for years.

I just don't think the teams have what is needed to help each other.

[logical_art]

Any particular reason the immobile Thomas is playing over Asik against the Raps and Bargs?

[Murk]

Any particular reason the immobile Thomas is playing over Asik against the Raps and Bargs?

I don't want Courtney Lee.

[taruky1]

This SG could potentially drag for another whole season if the Bulls take that ''Taj is untouchable and our back up front court is deep(and going to win us playoff games )'' approach.

I know huh? How ridiculous to think that defense, reboundng and frontcourt depth are the things that help win playoff games. You know, as opposed to 4th option SG's averaging 10 points a game.

Don't forgett he fantastic offense that Taj and Omer bring to the table.Also, it's not easy to ignore that amazing playoff series Taj had last year vs Cleveland.

And yes, Lee would help us a lot more than two guys who are going to combine for 20 minutes per game in the playoffs.

Of course Taj's playoff performance as a rookie should define his value for the rest of his career.

[cubbiefan009]

Get on it we need some Mayo

[Dr Genius]

Ok, I just read through the rest of the thread. Again, I don't know jack about Asik so I'm only commenting on this from our side.

Some of you are severly discounting Courtney Lee. He isn't a stud, but he really isn't bad at anything. He is athletic, can shoot, can pass, and most importantly with your coach....can defend. Most late round picks are specialists and can do one thing well, but suck at other things. Lee is good all around and is still young (not saying he will get a lot better but it means you can plug him in for a while). So everyone saying 2 late first round picks is fair value for him....sorry but it really isn't. Especially not in this draft. I would be shocked if a player as good as Lee will be available at the 26th or 28th spots in this draft, especially one who can be as good as Lee immediately.

The Charlotte pick is better value but you guys seem to be overvaluing that pick. I'm not saying it isn't fair value for Lee, but that pick may not come until 3-4 years from now. Getting that pick alone doesn't really help the Rockets right now, so why would we give up a quality young SG for that?

If the Rockets are going to try to sneak into the playoffs now then we need size. If we are going to blow it up and rebuild then we need high picks right now, not near 2nd rounders or picks that may not come for years.

I just don't think the teams have what is needed to help each other.

Yeah, we get it. Courtney Lee is a stud and wont be traded for anything less than a lottery pick.

Guys like Courtney Lee are available for peanuts every season.

[taruky1]

"Offensively he is raw, but he has quickness, a work ethic, and motivation. I wouldn't bet against him one day averaging double figures while pulling in 12+ rebounds and 3 blocks a game. "

Are you crazy? Do you know how many centers currently do that? Without looking at the stats I'm going out on a limb and saying no one in the entire league has these numbers. 3 blocks a game? those are hall of fame numbers.

Bogut leads the league in blocks at 2.9 a game.

This is how crazy this thread is. People making claims without knowing the stats.

So Kirilenko, Camby, Chris Anderson, Haywood, Diopp, Dalembert, etc. are all HOFers? Because they all averaged or came close to averaging 3 blocks per 36 min a couple seasons? I know exactly what 3 blocks a game means. What, do you think Bogut is some athletic freak of nature? It's about timing and instincts, and I think Asik has that. Bogut was not a shot blocker when he came into the league, check out his early career stats. But over the years he learned and improved. I think Asik can reach those numbers if he becomes a 30+ mpg starter some day. He is already averaging 2.2 blocks per 36 as a rookie.

You need to get over your little superiority complex. if you were as knowledgeable as you thought you would be an NBA executive by now.

[RyGuy24]

Got to give Lee some props, he has been playing great lately. Another 17 pts tonight on 7-10 shooting in only 18 minutes.

[dimez]

Got to give Lee some props, he has been playing great lately. Another 17 pts tonight on 7-10 shooting in only 18 minutes.

That's awesome, and he knows he could get traded too. He just kept his focus and not get distracted.

2-3 3pt fg. 2 reb, 2 ast tonight. A couple of 20+ scoring games this month against Denver and Minny. He's also consistently shot the 3 ball at a good percentage, even though it's around 3 per game.

[Big Sexy]

I'd be ecstatic if we ended up with Lee tomorrow.

[umfan83]

Ok, I just read through the rest of the thread. Again, I don't know jack about Asik so I'm only commenting on this from our side.

Some of you are severly discounting Courtney Lee. He isn't a stud, but he really isn't bad at anything. He is athletic, can shoot, can pass, and most importantly with your coach....can defend. Most late round picks are specialists and can do one thing well, but suck at other things. Lee is good all around and is still young (not saying he will get a lot better but it means you can plug him in for a while). So everyone saying 2 late first round picks is fair value for him....sorry but it really isn't. Especially not in this draft. I would be shocked if a player as good as Lee will be available at the 26th or 28th spots in this draft, especially one who can be as good as Lee immediately.

The Charlotte pick is better value but you guys seem to be overvaluing that pick. I'm not saying it isn't fair value for Lee, but that pick may not come until 3-4 years from now. Getting that pick alone doesn't really help the Rockets right now, so why would we give up a quality young SG for that?

If the Rockets are going to try to sneak into the playoffs now then we need size. If we are going to blow it up and rebuild then we need high picks right now, not near 2nd rounders or picks that may not come for years.

I just don't think the teams have what is needed to help each other.

I appreciate your perspective. Despite the last line in your post, what would you be accepting of from the Bulls in a trade for Lee?

Asik, Bogans (for depth), Charlotte pick?

[Red Larrivee]

Lee's numbers:

Last 10: 53%fg, 55%three
Last 15: 49%fg, 47%three
Last 20: 47%fg, 45%three
Last 25: 43%fg, 39%three

He's hot right now.

[kingmalaki]

Ok, I just read through the rest of the thread. Again, I don't know jack about Asik so I'm only commenting on this from our side.

Some of you are severly discounting Courtney Lee. He isn't a stud, but he really isn't bad at anything. He is athletic, can shoot, can pass, and most importantly with your coach....can defend. Most late round picks are specialists and can do one thing well, but suck at other things. Lee is good all around and is still young (not saying he will get a lot better but it means you can plug him in for a while). So everyone saying 2 late first round picks is fair value for him....sorry but it really isn't. Especially not in this draft. I would be shocked if a player as good as Lee will be available at the 26th or 28th spots in this draft, especially one who can be as good as Lee immediately.

The Charlotte pick is better value but you guys seem to be overvaluing that pick. I'm not saying it isn't fair value for Lee, but that pick may not come until 3-4 years from now. Getting that pick alone doesn't really help the Rockets right now, so why would we give up a quality young SG for that?

If the Rockets are going to try to sneak into the playoffs now then we need size. If we are going to blow it up and rebuild then we need high picks right now, not near 2nd rounders or picks that may not come for years.

I just don't think the teams have what is needed to help each other.

Yeah, we get it. Courtney Lee is a stud and wont be traded for anything less than a lottery pick.

Guys like Courtney Lee are available for peanuts every season.

I didn't say Lee was a stud. I said our needs don't seem to match up. And guys like Lee don't get traded for near 2nd rounders every season (young guys that can play both ways and still under contract). Examples??

[Big Sexy]

Lee's numbers:

Last 10: 53%fg, 55%three
Last 15: 49%fg, 47%three
Last 20: 47%fg, 45%three
Last 25: 43%fg, 39%three

He's hot right now.

Seriously, he's a perfect fit for this team and he comes cheaper than OJ Mayo. Lee will thrive as the 5th option on a team. Book it.