Do we still have our 1st rounder.

[Revolutionistt]

Actually since our last couple of comments lacked any venom, I was actually serious about writing another post with no snarky remarks in it.
And some of us don't have the money to go to games at a whim so to question a fan's dedication to a team by how much they attend is irrelevant. I've seen reports of 90+ year old Steelers fans who've never gone to a game in their life simply because they don't have the money but when they went to the Super Bowl, they did all they could including taking out a second mortgage just to see the game. So don't question my dedication, ok? Being a contributor on this site and one who doesn't troll should be evidence enough that I care about the Nets.

Thats understandable that people cant afford to go out to the games. But football tickets are more expensive than basketball tickets, so thats not really comparable. So I wont say anything about going to the games because I didnt consider affording tickets.

Oh and Im not questioning your dedication. I know everyone wants to see the Nets succeed, im just bothered at the reactions of some within this thread.

[NyCeEvO]

What I was going to say was this.

At the end of the day, we're both Nets fans. The highest goal for any fan is to see their team win a championship.

Here's a hypothetical conversation between you and me:

Rev: So I hear that you only support the Nets when they are actually a winning team. What gives? A fan should be a FAN of his team always, no matter what.

NyCe: Well, it's not as easy as that. There are 5 types of teams. 1) A championship contender 2) Playoff team on the rise 3) Playoff team that is stagnant 4) Team on the decline 5) Completely rebuilding team (but is also on the rise)
I like the direction of teams 1, 2, and 5. I don't like the direction of teams 3 and 4 though.

Rev: You need to support your team no matter what. You're not a true fan.
NyCe: Wait, I do support my team. There is just a difference between supporting the team as a whole and supporting their direction. Teams 1, 2, and 5 are teams whose direction is heading towards a championship. I still support teams 3 and 4, I just don't like the direction they're heading in.

Rev: I don't understand team 5 though. Even though they're aspiring to be a good team, the reality is that they're currently not. Why would you support them.
NyCe: Ok, well the Nets are like team 5. Going into the current season, you already know that even if they tried their best, they're not going to make the playoffs by a long shot. Even if the stadium was packed every night, you know the team isn't capable of being a playoff team. However, what makes this team exciting is that you get to watch them grow and make improvements. Even if they're currently bad, you look at the big picture and see that the team is heading toward that ultimate goal even if it's far away at that point.

Rev: Ok, but you also want them to get a higher draft pick too? Why?
NyCe: Knowing that my team is going to lose, I'm not surprised or shocked at the end of the season, that we're heading home in April. I fully supported the team but they just did not have the talent to make it far. What hope do I have for a team that is nowhere close to making the playoffs? The hope that whatever draft pick, we get will help us improve our record the following season.

Rev: Yeah, but you know how draft picks become busts? Why hope to do well in the draft?
NyCe: Well, if your team is bad, no star that could potentially improve your team would want to go to your team. Also, if you're a bad team, you don't have the players to trade to another team in order to get a good player that will improve your team. Even if the draft does guarantees success, the chances of me getting a good player in the draft that will help my team are much greater than a star deciding to come to play for my bad team or a good team trading a good player for a bad team's bad players. Those chances are actually slim to none. Without the draft, there is almost no hope for your team to actually improve.

Rev: So you're all about improving?
NyCe: No, I'm not ALL about improving. I like when my teams improve because it means that we're getting closer to the end goal but that doesn't mean that I won't support my team. I'll still support them. I'll just be hoping that they make a change that will put them in a position where they are improving again and moving towards a championship.

Rev: So what does that mean for teams 3 and 4?
NyCe: It means that I still support even though they're moving farther away from their intended goal. So even if team 3 and 4 decide to get even worse in the present but decide to rebuild, it gives me assurance that the FO still cares about winning and winning big as much as I care. It shows me that they know we're not going to get close to our end goal in a few years no matter what we do but they'll tear it down with the hopes that when they reassemble their team with new, young talent from the draft, the team will have the potential to surpass their previous level of success and get closer to the goal. I still want to see my team win and I still support them yet at the same time every team knows that you play to win a championship and bring joy to your city and fans. If you're regressing from that goal then you need to evaluate your franchise to see what you can do to get closer to that goal. As the cliche goes, sometimes you need to take one step back to go two steps forward.

[vincecarter4pres]

tl;dr

[Revolutionistt]

Good points but I dont know if you purposely did this, or you really think this is what I believe. First point, I never said anyone here wasnt a true fan because they prefer the Nets to lose and get a high draft pick. What started this whole outburst was that guy E saying he almost forgot how to root for the Nets to win, now that he wants them to win because Utah has our first rounder.

I do understand team 5, and do expect you to support them. I know the Nets would be bad this season I wasnt expecting them to do anything significant. But I would like to see them win more games and grow as a unit as opposed to lose more and get a higher pick.

The draft bust part, you dont always need a high draft pick or prospect to pull off a good trade or sign someone good. The Nets traded garbage for Carter, the Lakers traded garbage for Gasol. Sometimes teams trade away really good players for salary relief, in fact it is very common to land a great player for nothing as long as it saves the other team money.

Other than that, I think we both said all we need to say. Although we dont agree at least were on the same page with each others views.

Now, lets see what vc4p has to say about me next.....

[vincecarter4pres]

I know everyone wants to see the Nets succeed, im just bothered at the reactions of some within this thread.

Oh the irony.

[NyCeEvO]

Good points but I dont know if you purposely did this, or you really think this is what I believe. First point, I never said anyone here wasnt a true fan because they prefer the Nets to lose and get a high draft pick. What started this whole outburst was that guy E saying he almost forgot how to root for the Nets to win, now that he wants them to win because Utah has our first rounder.

Haha, I'm not that good of a psychoanalyst, I try though. Yeah, obviously I don't know all of you're reasoning so I just guessed. Although, I did have to exaggerate your character a bit so that my NyCe character could explain things lol. No harm intended at all though.

I do understand team 5, and do expect you to support them. I know the Nets would be bad this season I wasnt expecting them to do anything significant. But I would like to see them win more games and grow as a unit as opposed to lose more and get a higher pick.

I see where you are coming from there. Honestly, I think that it's more of a personal preference thing. I think if you told a group of people that your team could either win 3 games to get and end up with the 6th overall pick or lose 3 games to end up with the 3rd overall pick, there would be a bunch who would take the 3 losses since they weren't going to make the playoffs anyway and you have the chance to move up 3 spots, but I can also see a group saying that you need to win as much as possible, give me the three wins.

The draft bust part, you dont always need a high draft pick or prospect to pull off a good trade or sign someone good. The Nets traded garbage for Carter, the Lakers traded garbage for Gasol. Sometimes teams trade away really good players for salary relief, in fact it is very common to land a great player for nothing as long as it saves the other team money.

However it is more common to land a great player via the draft than it is to acquire someone via garbage for star trades. Carter's trade was also based upon two first round draft picks. Gasol's deal has been regarded as one of the worst trades in the history of the NBA (and it also included 2 first round draft picks). Getting good players for garbage isn't as easy as you think and even in those garbage for star deals, they still involve first round draft picks.

Other than that, I think we both said all we need to say. Although we dont agree at least were on the same page with each others views.

I do feel better that we're on the same page. See it does pay to hear each other out. We can agree to disagree and yet still share beers at the next Net game I go to lol.

[NyCeEvO]

tl;dr

Hey, you better go back and read my post or else I won't read yours LOL!!

[carrottop12]

Well we apparently have one of the easiest schedules in the NBA for the remainder of the season.

If we gel we can climb to a late lotto pick in my opinion. If Utah ends up picking 10 or later, I still think it was a great move. This draft is so shallow that picking anywhere after 10 up through our Lakers pick there isn't much of a difference. All those players have some pretty big flaws in my opinion.

According to ESPN you have had the 25th most difficult schedule so far, which would imply you have a much more difficult schedule coming down the stretch than most other teams.

[jeff1624]

Well we apparently have one of the easiest schedules in the NBA for the remainder of the season.

If we gel we can climb to a late lotto pick in my opinion. If Utah ends up picking 10 or later, I still think it was a great move. This draft is so shallow that picking anywhere after 10 up through our Lakers pick there isn't much of a difference. All those players have some pretty big flaws in my opinion.

According to ESPN you have had the 25th most difficult schedule so far, which would imply you have a much more difficult schedule coming down the stretch than most other teams.

Out of the last 25 games.. Only 11 are against above 500 opponents. And out of those 11 you have the Knicks twice, Atlanta, Phoenix and Houston twice. Very winnable games