THE Trade Deadline Thread

[jamlando]

I know many people are upset that Otis didn't make any moves but you have to realize that it takes more than just us to make a move. We have a roster full of players that no one wants other than Dwight, JJ & possibly JRich. No one is going to take the bad contracts of Duhon & QRich and then have garbage players on top of it. JRich was probably our only trade asset because his expiring contract and without having anyone to replace him, so he became an untouchable. He tied his own hands with his and now he's stuck and was unable to make any deals.

[FFBlitzace]

Facts about Songaila:

- Not a center
- Worse player than Bass and Anderson
- No point in being in our rotation

I really would shake my head at Otis if he thought that would be a good move.

[Nemesis21]

Facts about Songaila:

- Not a center
- Worse player than Bass and Anderson
- No point in being in our rotation

I really would shake my head at Otis if he thought that would be a good move.

[MickaelPietrus]

Facts about Songaila:

- Not a center
- Worse player than Bass and Anderson
- No point in being in our rotation

I really would shake my head at Otis if he thought that would be a good move.

Well, he did get raped by Carter for 48 last year.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Was Deron on the TB to anyone's knowledge, was Jeff Green? No. I was just using Iggy as an example. Anyways, I don't believe we'll ever land some "real top talent" as long as Otis is here...

Major differences there. Both situations were unique.

OKC needed a center. Badly. They traded for one of the top centers in the game. One who has been known to be a tough out.

Deron Williams was traded for a rookie that was a top 5 pick, a decent point guard, and two draft picks that will likely end up in the lottery (Nets this year, Golden State's next year)...That's a lot to give up for one player...we don't have assets like that

what's unique is that Otis didn't make calls about those players.

i'm sorry, but the fact that these deals have happened, and have surprised people, is proof that the opportunities are out there, they're just waiting to be discovered.

there's no knowing what Otis did do, there's just knowing what Otis didn't do - and that's get Dwight any significant help when there was an abundance of it moving around. you can say the deals weren't there to be had, but clearly the deals were, since players were getting moved. we just didn't try to turn our pieces into pieces other teams wanted. plain and simple.

How do we know that Otis didnt try for those deals? The chances of those teams turning down offers from Otis are just as realistic. People just automatically think the negative.

[ginterUF]

Come on guys take it easy on Otis. It's not his fault we have so many bad players on crappy contracts

[Phantom418]

Facts about Songaila:

- Not a center
- Worse player than Bass and Anderson
- No point in being in our rotation

I really would shake my head at Otis if he thought that would be a good move.

come on you know how this organization is go cheap and get players to play in wrong positions

its a$$-backwards, but hey doesn't hurt to try

[MickaelPietrus]

Come on guys take it easy on Otis. It's not his fault we have so many bad players on crappy contracts

Then who's fault is it?

[cb1115]

Come on guys take it easy on Otis. It's not his fault we have so many bad players on crappy contracts

Then who's fault is it?

Jameer

[Magicfan94]

what's unique is that Otis didn't make calls about those players.

i'm sorry, but the fact that these deals have happened, and have surprised people, is proof that the opportunities are out there, they're just waiting to be discovered.

there's no knowing what Otis did do, there's just knowing what Otis didn't do - and that's get Dwight any significant help when there was an abundance of it moving around. you can say the deals weren't there to be had, but clearly the deals were, since players were getting moved. we just didn't try to turn our pieces into pieces other teams wanted. plain and simple.

We don't know that!

There are always deals to be had...there weren't any worth trading for for us...At least not in the eyes of management

No, we do know that, he admitted it:

"That trade surprised everyone, including Deron Williams," said Magic President of Basketball Operations Otis Smith.

Asked if he had made an offer for Williams, Smith said he hadn't

So he's supposed to offer trades to everyone? And even then what if he called for availability, and they said Williams wasn't available.

Lets reverse the situation...someone calls about Dwight....we obviously say no...Someone calls and offers a great deal for Dwight? We might listen if in the same situation as Utah (looking on outside of playoffs, likely rebuilding)

So why didn't Otis call and offer a trade? Well he could have, as I said we don't know if he called to inquire interest with no offer being made. Given what Utah got in their deal, they likely weren't interested.

From all indications we don't know if the Nets or the Jazz started that negotiations either.

When teams decide to ade players (if Utah made the decision) they usually target teams that 1) has what they want and 2) they know are looking to move. Nothing Orlando has is even close to the potential Utah got. They're not attracting free agents in SLC, so young and drafty is the way to go...

Then it goes...why didn't the Heat, Lakers, Or Hawks get in? For the same reason Otis didn't. And I spelled them out above

[flyingvee]

Whatever the reasons may be, we were in dire need of a backup center. Just a big body to give Dwight a breather. Not like he would shoot at all, it would be like it is with Dwight in the 4th, we'd launch 3's and forget Dwight is in.

Whats interesting is that Dwight is pissed about the direction this team is going, so instead of Otis addressing it, he does nothing and leaves Dwight to play 45 min a game, Dwight is really going to like that. Are we sure Otis doesn't work for Pat Riley? Seems Otis is doing everything he can to make Dwight split.

[BelgianMagic]

Cavs waived Leon Powe, he's likely going back to Boston

@SamAmicoFSO Sam Amico
Cavs waive Leon Powe. Sounds like he's headed back to Celtics.

@gwashburn14 gary washburn
Cavs just waived Leon Powe, opening up the possibility for a return to Boston #celtics

[Adonis]

lol@folks who believe this current team can win.

what a bunch of delusional stans

[Bensational]

So he's supposed to offer trades to everyone? And even then what if he called for availability, and they said Williams wasn't available.

oddly enough, yes, that is his job. particularly since Deron and Paul are one of the few talents who had the potential to show up on the trade radar because they're going in to free agency after next season. i'm not saying why didn't Otis call about LeBron, i'm saying why didn't Otis call about one of the key pieces that will be available in the near future?

why would the Jazz tell one team he's unavailable and another team that he is? furthermore, if Otis is offering a deal that the Jazz just flat out don't like, why not try moving pieces to other teams to get a package that they are interested in? again, forward planning like that is his job. this is what he's paid to do. people get annoyed at players not playing defense, will this is far worse than that.

Lets reverse the situation...someone calls about Dwight....we obviously say no...Someone calls and offers a great deal for Dwight? We might listen if in the same situation as Utah (looking on outside of playoffs, likely rebuilding)

So why didn't Otis call and offer a trade? Well he could have, as I said we don't know if he called to inquire interest with no offer being made. Given what Utah got in their deal, they likely weren't interested.

if Utah are interested in trading, then they'll talk about offers. if Otis called them offering Jameer and Anderson and they say "no", it's Otis' job to ask why not and what they would need to sweeten the deal. again, this is his job.

what did the Jazz get from the deal? a talented young PG, and a talented young PF, plus draft picks. do you want to tell me that with pieces like Jameer, JRich, Anderson, Bass, Clark, Fran that we couldn't have made a move to put together a half decent offer? come on man, you're defending someone who hasn't done their job. the information is out there, it's not a case of "maybe he did, they just didn't like our offer", it's a case of NJ made a call and asked, and Otis didn't. plain and simple.

From all indications we don't know if the Nets or the Jazz started that negotiations either.

here's an article discussing how the deal went down. all it took was a simple phone call to see if he was available.

"The New Jersey Nets had gone morning until night for weeks and months tying to make a deal for ’Melo. And then Tuesday afternoon, Jazz GM Kevin O’Connor and Nets GM Billy King were on the line. King hadn’t called O’Connor about Williams, but about Andrei Kirilenko(notes), the Russian forward. They talked about the possibilities of a deal for Kirilenko’s expiring contract, but there was nothing there.

Anything else, O’Connor asked?

“What about Deron Williams?” King said with a I-know-that’s-silly laugh.

O’Connor responded, well, if you’re serious about discussing him, we’re serious."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... icks022411

Otis has said himself that he didn't ring and make an enquiry, so don't try and sell the idea that he did, but we didn't have the pieces they wanted. he admitted it himself, he didn't call.

"That trade surprised everyone, including Deron Williams," said Magic President of Basketball Operations Otis Smith.

Asked if he had made an offer for Williams, Smith said he hadn't

[/quote]

now, i like to think i've been fairly appreciative, if not tolerant, of Otis and his moves over the years. but this, right here, is an inexcusable drop of the ball. Orlando doesn't have many options to put another star beside Dwight. with the way the roster is loaded, the most probable is through trade, and there aren't a whole lot of other superstars who may be available through trade. Deron, Paul, Nash are the biggest names that should have been on our radar, and Otis just watched one of them slip away because he didn't bother to pick up the phone.

i'm sorry, there's really no point in trying to argue this with me because it's plain as day. you can hang on to the hope of excuses, but the fact is Otis big moves this year were to add Jason Richardson, Hedo and Arenas, where other teams have added LeBron, Bosh, Melo, Deron, Green. that is just not up to snuff. unless this team wins a 'ship this year, or we make some surprise big offseason moves, i am well and truly off the Otis bandwagon.

[Hilltop]

All these losses and all this player movement around the league has probably tripled the pressure on his ass to get something done. I'm sure he has been on the phones. But we eventually go back to the reality that we don't have many assets that other teams covet.

I'm sure he would love to land a big name player and join the mix, but he can't. He already went all in with Gilbert Arenas and Turkoglu, two immovable contracts. Before that, he signed Redick, Duhon, and Richardson to long-term deals. The man has no vision. He is all about the here and now. He is all about spending top dollar on anything that has a pulse.

Give Dwight Howard and $90 million to any GM and tell me with a straight face that they can't replicate the success he achieved or even surpass it.

[magicman123]

give me that and ill surpass it

[Blue_and_Whte]

So he's supposed to offer trades to everyone? And even then what if he called for availability, and they said Williams wasn't available.

Lets reverse the situation...someone calls about Dwight....we obviously say no...Someone calls and offers a great deal for Dwight? We might listen if in the same situation as Utah (looking on outside of playoffs, likely rebuilding)

So why didn't Otis call and offer a trade? Well he could have, as I said we don't know if he called to inquire interest with no offer being made. Given what Utah got in their deal, they likely weren't interested.

From all indications we don't know if the Nets or the Jazz started that negotiations either.

When teams decide to ade players (if Utah made the decision) they usually target teams that 1) has what they want and 2) they know are looking to move. Nothing Orlando has is even close to the potential Utah got. They're not attracting free agents in SLC, so young and drafty is the way to go...

Then it goes...why didn't the Heat, Lakers, Or Hawks get in? For the same reason Otis didn't. And I spelled them out above

Again does anyone know if Nets made the offer? Or did Utah come to them?

[Blue_and_Whte]

So he's supposed to offer trades to everyone? And even then what if he called for availability, and they said Williams wasn't available.

oddly enough, yes, that is his job. particularly since Deron and Paul are one of the few talents who had the potential to show up on the trade radar because they're going in to free agency after next season. i'm not saying why didn't Otis call about LeBron, i'm saying why didn't Otis call about one of the key pieces that will be available in the near future?

why would the Jazz tell one team he's unavailable and another team that he is? furthermore, if Otis is offering a deal that the Jazz just flat out don't like, why not try moving pieces to other teams to get a package that they are interested in? again, forward planning like that is his job. this is what he's paid to do. people get annoyed at players not playing defense, will this is far worse than that.

Lets reverse the situation...someone calls about Dwight....we obviously say no...Someone calls and offers a great deal for Dwight? We might listen if in the same situation as Utah (looking on outside of playoffs, likely rebuilding)

So why didn't Otis call and offer a trade? Well he could have, as I said we don't know if he called to inquire interest with no offer being made. Given what Utah got in their deal, they likely weren't interested.

if Utah are interested in trading, then they'll talk about offers. if Otis called them offering Jameer and Anderson and they say "no", it's Otis' job to ask why not and what they would need to sweeten the deal. again, this is his job.

what did the Jazz get from the deal? a talented young PG, and a talented young PF, plus draft picks. do you want to tell me that with pieces like Jameer, JRich, Anderson, Bass, Clark, Fran that we couldn't have made a move to put together a half decent offer? come on man, you're defending someone who hasn't done their job. the information is out there, it's not a case of "maybe he did, they just didn't like our offer", it's a case of NJ made a call and asked, and Otis didn't. plain and simple.

From all indications we don't know if the Nets or the Jazz started that negotiations either.

here's an article discussing how the deal went down. all it took was a simple phone call to see if he was available.

"The New Jersey Nets had gone morning until night for weeks and months tying to make a deal for ’Melo. And then Tuesday afternoon, Jazz GM Kevin O’Connor and Nets GM Billy King were on the line. King hadn’t called O’Connor about Williams, but about Andrei Kirilenko(notes), the Russian forward. They talked about the possibilities of a deal for Kirilenko’s expiring contract, but there was nothing there.

Anything else, O’Connor asked?

“What about Deron Williams?” King said with a I-know-that’s-silly laugh.

O’Connor responded, well, if you’re serious about discussing him, we’re serious."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... icks022411

Otis has said himself that he didn't ring and make an enquiry, so don't try and sell the idea that he did, but we didn't have the pieces they wanted. he admitted it himself, he didn't call.

"That trade surprised everyone, including Deron Williams," said Magic President of Basketball Operations Otis Smith.

Asked if he had made an offer for Williams, Smith said he hadn't

now, i like to think i've been fairly appreciative, if not tolerant, of Otis and his moves over the years. but this, right here, is an inexcusable drop of the ball. Orlando doesn't have many options to put another star beside Dwight. with the way the roster is loaded, the most probable is through trade, and there aren't a whole lot of other superstars who may be available through trade. Deron, Paul, Nash are the biggest names that should have been on our radar, and Otis just watched one of them slip away because he didn't bother to pick up the phone.

i'm sorry, there's really no point in trying to argue this with me because it's plain as day. you can hang on to the hope of excuses, but the fact is Otis big moves this year were to add Jason Richardson, Hedo and Arenas, where other teams have added LeBron, Bosh, Melo, Deron, Green. that is just not up to snuff. unless this team wins a 'ship this year, or we make some surprise big offseason moves, i am well and truly off the Otis bandwagon.[/quote]
Still didnt call about williams.

[Blue_and_Whte]

So he's supposed to offer trades to everyone? And even then what if he called for availability, and they said Williams wasn't available.

oddly enough, yes, that is his job. particularly since Deron and Paul are one of the few talents who had the potential to show up on the trade radar because they're going in to free agency after next season. i'm not saying why didn't Otis call about LeBron, i'm saying why didn't Otis call about one of the key pieces that will be available in the near future?

why would the Jazz tell one team he's unavailable and another team that he is? furthermore, if Otis is offering a deal that the Jazz just flat out don't like, why not try moving pieces to other teams to get a package that they are interested in? again, forward planning like that is his job. this is what he's paid to do. people get annoyed at players not playing defense, will this is far worse than that.

Lets reverse the situation...someone calls about Dwight....we obviously say no...Someone calls and offers a great deal for Dwight? We might listen if in the same situation as Utah (looking on outside of playoffs, likely rebuilding)

So why didn't Otis call and offer a trade? Well he could have, as I said we don't know if he called to inquire interest with no offer being made. Given what Utah got in their deal, they likely weren't interested.

if Utah are interested in trading, then they'll talk about offers. if Otis called them offering Jameer and Anderson and they say "no", it's Otis' job to ask why not and what they would need to sweeten the deal. again, this is his job.

what did the Jazz get from the deal? a talented young PG, and a talented young PF, plus draft picks. do you want to tell me that with pieces like Jameer, JRich, Anderson, Bass, Clark, Fran that we couldn't have made a move to put together a half decent offer? come on man, you're defending someone who hasn't done their job. the information is out there, it's not a case of "maybe he did, they just didn't like our offer", it's a case of NJ made a call and asked, and Otis didn't. plain and simple.

From all indications we don't know if the Nets or the Jazz started that negotiations either.

here's an article discussing how the deal went down. all it took was a simple phone call to see if he was available.

"The New Jersey Nets had gone morning until night for weeks and months tying to make a deal for ’Melo. And then Tuesday afternoon, Jazz GM Kevin O’Connor and Nets GM Billy King were on the line. King hadn’t called O’Connor about Williams, but about Andrei Kirilenko(notes), the Russian forward. They talked about the possibilities of a deal for Kirilenko’s expiring contract, but there was nothing there.

Anything else, O’Connor asked?

“What about Deron Williams?” King said with a I-know-that’s-silly laugh.

O’Connor responded, well, if you’re serious about discussing him, we’re serious."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... icks022411

Otis has said himself that he didn't ring and make an enquiry, so don't try and sell the idea that he did, but we didn't have the pieces they wanted. he admitted it himself, he didn't call.

"That trade surprised everyone, including Deron Williams," said Magic President of Basketball Operations Otis Smith.

Asked if he had made an offer for Williams, Smith said he hadn't

now, i like to think i've been fairly appreciative, if not tolerant, of Otis and his moves over the years. but this, right here, is an inexcusable drop of the ball. Orlando doesn't have many options to put another star beside Dwight. with the way the roster is loaded, the most probable is through trade, and there aren't a whole lot of other superstars who may be available through trade. Deron, Paul, Nash are the biggest names that should have been on our radar, and Otis just watched one of them slip away because he didn't bother to pick up the phone.

i'm sorry, there's really no point in trying to argue this with me because it's plain as day. you can hang on to the hope of excuses, but the fact is Otis big moves this year were to add Jason Richardson, Hedo and Arenas, where other teams have added LeBron, Bosh, Melo, Deron, Green. that is just not up to snuff. unless this team wins a 'ship this year, or we make some surprise big offseason moves, i am well and truly off the Otis bandwagon.

Still didnt call about williams

[Bensational]

Still didnt call about williams

lol, ok, deduct points. hang on... Net still have Deron, and we don't.

try agian.