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Severn Hoos wrote:Is there a way to cut & paste this entire discussion for re-use in June? Do a Find+Replace of "Sullinger" for "Booker" and I think we'd all save a ton of typing time.
Ruzious wrote:Sorry if it offends you somehow, but that's my opinion. On average, if guys weigh more and are in roughly the same shape, the heavier guy is going to be the stronger guy. Booker's probably 10 lbs or so lighter than the average PF. Squats would probably make a lot more sense than bench presses, since you need the low body strength to plant inside in the NBA. Even in the NFL, where players do sometimes use sortofa bench press type move to push off an opponent, I heard an NLF draft expert the other day laughing about people taking the bench press seriously at the combine.
tontoz wrote:Ruzious wrote:Sorry if it offends you somehow, but that's my opinion. On average, if guys weigh more and are in roughly the same shape, the heavier guy is going to be the stronger guy. Booker's probably 10 lbs or so lighter than the average PF. Squats would probably make a lot more sense than bench presses, since you need the low body strength to plant inside in the NBA. Even in the NFL, where players do sometimes use sortofa bench press type move to push off an opponent, I heard an NLF draft expert the other day laughing about people taking the bench press seriously at the combine.
Your opinion has no basis in reality. You are not looking at the guys who are actually playing the 4. You are just making stuff up and pretending it is true. Saying Booker is 10 pounds lighter than the average pf is flat out wrong and that is not my opinion. it is a fact.
Ruzious wrote:tontoz wrote:Ruzious wrote:Sorry if it offends you somehow, but that's my opinion. On average, if guys weigh more and are in roughly the same shape, the heavier guy is going to be the stronger guy. Booker's probably 10 lbs or so lighter than the average PF. Squats would probably make a lot more sense than bench presses, since you need the low body strength to plant inside in the NBA. Even in the NFL, where players do sometimes use sortofa bench press type move to push off an opponent, I heard an NLF draft expert the other day laughing about people taking the bench press seriously at the combine.
Your opinion has no basis in reality. You are not looking at the guys who are actually playing the 4. You are just making stuff up and pretending it is true. Saying Booker is 10 pounds lighter than the average pf is flat out wrong and that is not my opinion. it is a fact.
Okay tontoz, what is the average weight of an NBA PF?
tontoz wrote:Ruzious wrote:tontoz wrote:Your opinion has no basis in reality. You are not looking at the guys who are actually playing the 4. You are just making stuff up and pretending it is true. Saying Booker is 10 pounds lighter than the average pf is flat out wrong and that is not my opinion. it is a fact.
Okay tontoz, what is the average weight of an NBA PF?
The simple answer is to look at the guys who are actually playing the 4 (which you refuse to do) and look at their weights. The fact is that most of them weigh under 240.
But it is always easier to just make stuff up and ignore reality which you seem to be good at. You continue to claim that most 4s are stronger than Booker but you refuse to name any of them. You are just making up nonsense.
Ruzious wrote:Hold on. You just basically called me out and said it was a fact that I was making stuff up by saying Booker is 10 lbs lighter than the average PF. You emphasized that it wasn't your opinion; it's a fact. I emphasized all along, that I was expressing my opinion - not fact. So, back it up. What is the average weight of an NBA PF. We know that Booker weighed in at 236 at the combine - with 7.6% body fat, fwiw. So, we can assume that he's factually 236.
Ed Wood wrote:Well, while that's being settled I'd like to mention that a guy who played reasonably well as a rookie and about as well this year for Charlotte was released as a part of all the stuff they were doing, Derrick Brown. Brown played college ball at Xavier and is a little reminiscent of another Dominic, McGuire (who was also released I think but while I have nothing against "Dr J" McGuire I'll pass on another look at him).
Brown is easily big enough to play power forward (he's bigger than Booker certainly) and in limited minutes was one of the more positive contributors to the Bobcats. I'd throw over Hamady to sign Brown to an inexpensive deal for a couple of years and give him any minutes Yi or Al might have otherwise, and at the very least look meaningfully at Andray's minutes and crack my knuckles. So yeah, sign Derrick Brown.
Ruzious wrote:tontoz wrote:Ruzious wrote:Of course strength is extremely important. Problem is - like I explained - the bench press doesn't begin to measure basketball strength.
Nate, Barkley... Ok, I won't say anything.
So i guess you know more than all of the people who are spending millions in salary for NBA players.
I won't hold my breath waiting for you to list the 4s who can push Booker around due their superior bulk.
It's just my opinion - for the reasons I stated. Again, I don't know why they do the test. Maybe they have a reason, but I don't know what it is.
Illuminaire wrote:Any mods want to stop Ace's multi-thread trolling spree? Just curious.
AceDegenerate wrote:Illuminaire wrote:Any mods want to stop Ace's multi-thread trolling spree? Just curious.
Oh yeah, it's definitely trolling when you don't like it. LMAO. What rule did I break again tough guy?
Illuminaire wrote:AceDegenerate wrote:Illuminaire wrote:Any mods want to stop Ace's multi-thread trolling spree? Just curious.
Oh yeah, it's definitely trolling when you don't like it. LMAO. What rule did I break again tough guy?
It's trolling when you post things just to be a hater and to get on other people's nerves. To mods: I apologize for breaking rule E.
As for you, Ace, since you asked... rules B, C, D, and J. Aside from that you're awesome.
Illuminaire wrote:Edit: I'm going to take the easy solution and just block Ace/Kriz/whoever else he posts as. I genuinely wanted to have an elevated level of discourse with the guy, but I don't think he's interested in the same.
tontoz wrote:Ruzious wrote:Hold on. You just basically called me out and said it was a fact that I was making stuff up by saying Booker is 10 lbs lighter than the average PF. You emphasized that it wasn't your opinion; it's a fact. I emphasized all along, that I was expressing my opinion - not fact. So, back it up. What is the average weight of an NBA PF. We know that Booker weighed in at 236 at the combine - with 7.6% body fat, fwiw. So, we can assume that he's factually 236.
I know the average height of an NBA center is less than 7 feet even though i don't know the exact height. If you want me to calculate the weight of the power forwards then i need to know how many you want. Hollinger lists the top 70 or so in PER. That work for you?
FYI according to you Blake Griffin would only weigh 2 pounds more than the average pf. He also benched 185 22 times FYI.
But i expect something in return. I expect you to name these power forwards that you claim are stronger than Booker.
Your opinion has no basis in reality. You are not looking at the guys who are actually playing the 4. You are just making stuff up and pretending it is true. Saying Booker is 10 pounds lighter than the average pf is flat out wrong and that is not my opinion. it is a fact.
gesa2 wrote:Ed Wood wrote:Well, while that's being settled I'd like to mention that a guy who played reasonably well as a rookie and about as well this year for Charlotte was released as a part of all the stuff they were doing, Derrick Brown. Brown played college ball at Xavier and is a little reminiscent of another Dominic, McGuire (who was also released I think but while I have nothing against "Dr J" McGuire I'll pass on another look at him).
Brown is easily big enough to play power forward (he's bigger than Booker certainly) and in limited minutes was one of the more positive contributors to the Bobcats. I'd throw over Hamady to sign Brown to an inexpensive deal for a couple of years and give him any minutes Yi or Al might have otherwise, and at the very least look meaningfully at Andray's minutes and crack my knuckles. So yeah, sign Derrick Brown.
Bigger, yeah. Stronger? IDK, you better offer proof. How long is his neck?
Ruzious wrote:tontoz wrote:Ruzious wrote:Hold on. You just basically called me out and said it was a fact that I was making stuff up by saying Booker is 10 lbs lighter than the average PF. You emphasized that it wasn't your opinion; it's a fact. I emphasized all along, that I was expressing my opinion - not fact. So, back it up. What is the average weight of an NBA PF. We know that Booker weighed in at 236 at the combine - with 7.6% body fat, fwiw. So, we can assume that he's factually 236.
I know the average height of an NBA center is less than 7 feet even though i don't know the exact height. If you want me to calculate the weight of the power forwards then i need to know how many you want. Hollinger lists the top 70 or so in PER. That work for you?
FYI according to you Blake Griffin would only weigh 2 pounds more than the average pf. He also benched 185 22 times FYI.
But i expect something in return. I expect you to name these power forwards that you claim are stronger than Booker.
Tontos, this is what you said:Your opinion has no basis in reality. You are not looking at the guys who are actually playing the 4. You are just making stuff up and pretending it is true. Saying Booker is 10 pounds lighter than the average pf is flat out wrong and that is not my opinion. it is a fact.
You're the one who said that it's a FACT that I'm wrong - that it's not just your opinion; it's a FACT. If you say it's a FACT, then it's up to you to give some proof - any proof - that it's a fact.